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To Accept a Position

As there are many Annual Meetings happening, I was wondering what a person should look at when accepting a nominaton  for President of Conference, Chair of Presbytery, or Moderator ( tongue in cheek, RichardBottyes)?

 

How does one guage if it is  too much time away from the Pastoral Charge; if the energy they are offering could better serve the charge or if it will be damaging to one's health? Will it affect the marriage and family?

What are your thoughts?

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Oh, and I have one more question - should the Pastoral Charge have any say in the decision?

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I believe there should be a discussion with the M&P committee at least, in part to develop a strategy to compensate for impacts that can be reasonably anticipated.   If the position is going to require a significant amount of time and  energy, it is only fair to engage in some kind of negotiation with the pastoral charge.  If the minister is going to have several hours less time per week for the pastoral relationship, the pastoral charge at least deserves the right to review the priorities for the minister's time in the pastoral charge.

 

If the minister is in a mutually loving, caring and respectful relationship with the pastoral charge, this provides an opportunity for deepening and strengthening the relationship.  If not, it can potentially damage the relationship.

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All of the above. Could not have said it better. Should also be discussed with family and spouse. And prayed about. Do the discernment.

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This is easier to do if the nominations is done in advance of the meeting. But what if the nomination is from the floor?

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THis is why it is only appropriate to nominate someone from the floor if you have talked about it with the person beforehand.   Same with being a Commissioner to GC (as well as the other categories listed above).

 

A surprise nomination is difficult to deal with.  ANd is not fair to anyone involved.

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Especially if they are nominated

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I absolutely agree with Gord. I was approached at our last Presbytery meeting to see if would let my name stand for Chair Elect. I had a ton of questions, and also wanted to talk about it with my husband. I ended up agreeing to let my name stand and was nominated and confirmed. I would not have accepted the nomination if I had not been approached first. For one thing that would indicate a lack of support among other things. By being approached, I felt respected, and knew I had some support. It made the decision easier. I think. I hope I haven't made the wrong decision! indecision Though, rumour has it, I AM in the best Presbytery of the UCCan......right Gord? wink

 

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I think it's all been said. :) (Though, I'd point out that the most time consuming extra-congregational ministry I've ever been in is the Convenor of Pastoral Relations - neither Presbytery Convenor or President of Conference required as much work or time.)

CH, one of the things that has helped me is regularly have the conversations that David & Jim suggested with M&P or the Board on a regular basis, often just before conference - whether or not one has any intention of letting their name stand. The conversation shows the congregation that they are part of the discernment process, and also allows one to gauge the openness to possibilities. 

(And, yes, my Bard was definitely part of my discernment process, along with my partner, and a clearness committee, and my parents.... *grin*.)

 

Christ's peace - r

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Hi RichardBott,

 

RichardBott wrote:

(And, yes, my Bard was definitely part of my discernment process, along with my partner, and a clearness committee, and my parents.... *grin*.)

 

I hope your Bard writes better songs than Sir Robin's minstrels sang.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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I'm having a terrible time with my tablet in these boxes, lately!

I'm not sure if the Bard would be supportive, but the Board is. *grin*

 

r

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ah, Brave Sir Robin!

and Brave Richard Bott! How hard a job could 'moderator' be? (joking)

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When danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned to the editorial board of the Ottawa Citizen and said . . . .

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"Is Jesus God? What a wonderful question! 

(He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp.)

Part of the difficulty is that we human beings have a limited ability... 

(Or to have his eyes go...)

...to recognize and understand the divine.

That's enough music for now, lads."

Thank you, Martha and RevJohn. From this time forward, I will have the music of Brave Sir Robin in my head whenever I meet members of the media. :)

 

Is the Moderator a hard role for whomever is called to fill it? I think so. The thing is, unlike Pastoral Relations Chair, the Moderator isn't expected to be done on top of one's work/ministry. That's the thing about many of the other roles we fill in the church - they can take as many hours as our work-ministries, but we need to do the work-ministries to be able to to support ourselves so we can do the "extras".

 

Christ's peace - r

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