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God-word

Jae is using this word in most of his posts these days. I would like to know what he means by it? What do all of you think it means?

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Hey Crazyheart --you ask the

Hey Crazyheart --you ask the most stimulating questions...Thank you! The monkies are abuzz in the corner, discussing.

This is what I think:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ."

 so in other words, the "alpha/omega/shazam" sort of thing where "logos" falls from the sky and into your lap. Far , the be it for me to interpret anyone though.  Not trying to be flippant.  Hi Jae!

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The real question is "what do

The real question is "what do the monkees think?  or are they still discussing?

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I find it difficult to

I find it difficult to understand Jae.  If I heard the phrase God-word, I would think that someone was searching for the word that would best describe God for them where they are right now.  Which of the 1,000 or more names or terms for God do they best relate to?  Which do they use when they cry out to God?  Do they want the mother Eagle God who hold them up on her wings?  Or the rock or fortress God that they can rely on?  The still small voice that speaks to them?  the thunder in the mountains?  God, Lord, Creator, Sustainer, Spirit, Christ, Jehovah?  Rock of salvation? Mother hen?  I think all these are used in the Bible.  I have probably used most of them at one time or another during my life. 

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It's a gimmick.   It's

It's a gimmick.

 

It's makining up a new phrase to make what you believe look more special, because people of other beliefs have had the incredible audacity to think they can use the English language to desribe their faith.

 

It's similar to the oft quoted used car slogan....

 

"It's not a religion, it's a relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaitionship".

 

Meaningless religious rhetoric.

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crazyheart wrote: I would

crazyheart wrote:

I would like to know what he means by it? What do all of you think it means?

 

Since it's not a phrase I use, I don't know what it means. As to what Jae means by it, he's the only one who could answer that.

 

Witch wrote:

Meaningless religious rhetoric.

 

Hmmmm. That's rather arrogant. What's meaningless to you might be very meaningful to someone else. Since Jae isn't forcing anyone else to use the phrase, but is using it to express his own thoughts, I should think your opinion as to how meaningful the phrase is is largely meaningless rhetoric. All that matters is whether it's meaningful to Jae.

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Rev. Steven Davis

Rev. Steven Davis wrote:

crazyheart wrote:

I would like to know what he means by it? What do all of you think it means?

 

Since it's not a phrase I use, I don't know what it means. As to what Jae means by it, he's the only one who could answer that.

 While Steven is obviously right, from context i would think that Jae is talking about sharing a Word from God as the God-Word. 

 

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Witch wrote:

Meaningless religious rhetoric.

 

Hmmmm. That's rather arrogant. What's meaningless to you might be very meaningful to someone else. Since Jae isn't forcing anyone else to use the phrase, but is using it to express his own thoughts, I should think your opinion as to how meaningful the phrase is is largely meaningless rhetoric. All that matters is whether it's meaningful to Jae.

 

Well yes and no.  If a phrase is only meaningful to the user has it become meaningless rhetoric when used in a conversation?  I would suggest that in the long run much of our religious verbiage has started to become, for many, meaningless religious rhetoric.  The question is how do we respond to that?  Do we give it up or do we reclaim and share its meaning and why we use it?

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GordW wrote:  While Steven is

GordW wrote:

 While Steven is obviously right, from context i would think that Jae is talking about sharing a Word from God as the God-Word. 

 

Rev. Steven Davis wrote:

Witch wrote:

Meaningless religious rhetoric.

 

Hmmmm. That's rather arrogant. What's meaningless to you might be very meaningful to someone else. Since Jae isn't forcing anyone else to use the phrase, but is using it to express his own thoughts, I should think your opinion as to how meaningful the phrase is is largely meaningless rhetoric. All that matters is whether it's meaningful to Jae.

 

Well yes and no.  If a phrase is only meaningful to the user has it become meaningless rhetoric when used in a conversation?  I would suggest that in the long run much of our religious verbiage has started to become, for many, meaningless religious rhetoric.  The question is how do we respond to that?  Do we give it up or do we reclaim and share its meaning and why we use it?

 

That's a pretty fair observation.  It might hold meaning to Jae, but it's meaningless religious rhetoric  to others.  It is still an attempt to lend more meaning to the words Jae calls the "God-word".  I may as well start calling common sense the "Reason-word".

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crazyheart wrote: The real

crazyheart wrote:

The real question is "what do the monkees think?  or are they still discussing?

 

Hi Crazy Heart--unfortunately, the monkies headed off to the local bar for G&Ts last night to "discuss it" they said.  They didn't get in until 4 a.m  and by that point, had completely forgotten the question.  (Although it turned out that Eustace got "God Word" tattoed on her under regions).  They were still in bed when I got home from work and the only words out of their  mouths have been requests for tylenol and ginger ale. 

But!  in the meantime you have gotten some great replies from decent people who obviously don't spend their evenings (and early mornings) carousing in tattoo parlours....I am very sorry for any trouble they may have caused....

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why dont you all Just ask

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

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  GordW wrote "Well yes and

 

GordW wrote

"Well yes and no.  If a phrase is only meaningful to the user has it become meaningless rhetoric when used in a conversation?  I would suggest that in the long run much of our religious verbiage has started to become, for many, meaningless religious rhetoric.  The question is how do we respond to that?  Do we give it up or do we reclaim and share its meaning and why we use it?"

 

That is exactly what Marcus Borg and Greta Vosper were talking about at the ASTE at Truro in June.  Marcus Borg says that we need to reclaim the language.  Greta Vosper implied that we need to get rid of it.  (I'm not sure what she would replace it with though.)

 

 

 

 

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And I would side with Borg. 

And I would side with Borg. 

 

But since it really appears that Vosper is moving to a post-Christian position I can see where she is coming from.

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I'll echo the thought here

I'll echo the thought here that it's probably a Jae-ism, and I won't ascribe meaning to his word in his context; but if I were to use it I would probably use it fairly synonymously with 'logos', the idea of enlightenment and understanding of the divine/holy.

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I tried to get an answer from

I tried to get an answer from him in Preaching From the Pulpit but he hasn't responded. he is probably busy.

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GordW wrote: And I would side

GordW wrote:

And I would side with Borg. 

 

But since it really appears that Vosper is moving to a post-Christian position I can see where she is coming from.

 

Funnily enough, I'm pretty much in a post-Christian position already and I agree with Borg more so than Vosper. She will make a good UU minister someday, though .

Mendalla

 

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Mendalla wrote: Funnily

Mendalla wrote:

Funnily enough, I'm pretty much in a post-Christian position already and I agree with Borg more so than Vosper. She will make a good UU minister someday, though .

Mendalla

 

 

I actually agree that Greta Vosper would make a good UU minister - I mean that not as a slight against either Greta or the UU's, just an acknowledgement that I think that's where her theology really should put her.

Mendalla - if you agree with Borg more than Vosper (as do I) would Greta going UU bring you into the UCC? I had to ask!

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Just checking in as one who

Just checking in as one who prefers the theology of Marcus Borg.

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blackbelt wrote: why dont you

blackbelt wrote:

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

 

Really brother what I recall using is God-Word. It's just another way I say the Word of God, or the Holy Bible.

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RivermanJae wrote: blackbelt

RivermanJae wrote:

blackbelt wrote:

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

 

Really brother what I recall using is God-Word. It's just another way I say the Word of God, or the Holy Bible.

Jae,

you used the term repeatedly in the sermon thread and talked about preaching as sharing the God-Word.  Does that mean preaching is only reading Scripture or does it mean the exposition and reflection on Scripture is also the God-Word or was I misreading your intent?

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RivermanJae wrote: blackbelt

RivermanJae wrote:

blackbelt wrote:

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

 

Really brother what I recall using is God-Word. It's just another way I say the Word of God, or the Holy Bible.

see all there you go, simple

Thanks JAE

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RivermanJae wrote: blackbelt

RivermanJae wrote:

blackbelt wrote:

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

 

Really brother what I recall using is God-Word. It's just another way I say the Word of God, or the Holy Bible.

 

So why not just say Word of God, or the Holy Bible? Why invent a new, more stentorian phrase?

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GordW wrote: you used the

GordW wrote:

you used the term repeatedly in the sermon thread and talked about preaching as sharing the God-Word.  Does that mean preaching is only reading Scripture or does it mean the exposition and reflection on Scripture is also the God-Word or was I misreading your intent?

I believe that a Pastor faithfully fulfilling his role as a preacher will include the God-Word in his exposition of same.

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blackbelt wrote: see all

blackbelt wrote:

see all there you go, simple

Thanks JAE

 

No problem brother.

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  Witch wrote: RivermanJae

 

Witch wrote:

RivermanJae wrote:

blackbelt wrote:

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

 

Really brother what I recall using is God-Word. It's just another way I say the Word of God, or the Holy Bible.

 

So why not just say Word of God, or the Holy Bible? Why invent a new, more stentorian phrase?

 

Are you the language police of Wonder Cafe?   

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RevSteven -  Words are meant

RevSteven -  Words are meant to convey meaning, information, ideas.  I recently delivered a sernon on that very topic - that the words of the Bible and the words we use when talking about our faith need convey meaning.  We need to be clear what we mean when we say a particular word or phrase - and we need to know that the other understands the meaning of that word or phrase. 

 

This thread has indicated that many people do not understand what Jae means by this new term.   Reading his explanation I'm not sure that he knows what he means.  God-word?   He claims that by God-word he means the Word of God, the Holy Bible, but he also claims that his pastor preaches the God-word.    It gets confusing:  does God-word have two meanings?  Is the Holy Bible the God-word?  Or is what his pastor has to say about the Holy Bible the God-word?  

 

And neither is the meaning that the phrase "God-word' conveyed to me when I first heard it.  I thought that the writer might be searching for a way to refer to God, rather than the Bible.

 

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 seeler, did the smiley in my

 seeler, did the smiley in my post not give away the fact that I was attempting to poke some light-hearted fun at Witch? Apparently not! So, if my post came across as anything other than light-hearted fun directed toward Witch, I apologize. No offense was intended.

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I must confess, when first I

I must confess, when first I saw the phrase 'God-word' I thought it meant something along the lines of  'C-word', 'L-word', etc.  Now that I know what it means, I still don't know what it means.

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Word!

Word!

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Actually, if you do a search

Actually, if you do a search for "God-Word" you find the various threads in which Jae has used the phrase, and it seems he's defined it relatively clearly, so there really shouldn't be any confusion. For example, in the thread "Original Sin" he states that "the Bible is the objective God-Word."  In the thread "Where Do Prophets Arise From" he says that prophets are "people who have been supernaturally gifted with the ability to expound the God-Word for the today-audience." In "Preaching From The Pulpit" Jae states that a preacher "is not to share any ideas, opinions, or philosophys of his own which run counter to the God-Word. I believe that if he does so he has failed God in performing the task at hand. Since I believe the sermon is to be the God-message to the people delivered to the people via the Pastor." There's a clear distinction here between "God-Word" (Bible) and "God-message" (sermon.) That's all pretty understandable to me, although I agree that I'm not sure why he wouldn't just use the word "Bible" or "God's Word" instead of "God-Word" which has obviously led to confusion. He seems to be somewhat enthralled with the hyphen: "God-Word," "God-message," "today-audience." However, it's Jae's choice, and since it is understandable if one takes the times to really look at his posts, I leave it to him to decide his "God-language."

 

Putting it all together, where I would ask for clarification from Jae is his comment in the thread "Here Starts The First Lesson," where he says "I believe that [Jesus] is the second person in the Holy Trinity, the God-Word made flesh." To be consistent with pretty much everything he's written, Jae is here saying that Jesus is the Bible made flesh, whereas I don't accept a one to one equation between the Word as described in the Prologue to John's Gospel and the Bible as a whole. So - claification on that point, Jae?

 

Otherwise, I think I get where you're coming from with that phrase pretty clearly.

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Rev. Steven Davis

Rev. Steven Davis wrote:

 

Witch wrote:

RivermanJae wrote:

blackbelt wrote:

why dont you all Just ask him

 

Hey JAE what does  God_word Mean ?   when you use it

 

Really brother what I recall using is God-Word. It's just another way I say the Word of God, or the Holy Bible.

 

So why not just say Word of God, or the Holy Bible? Why invent a new, more stentorian phrase?

 

Are you the language police of Wonder Cafe?   

 

NO, but I am the empty religious rhetoric sheriff

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