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Internet Communication

As someone 60+,  I have a big problem with internet communication.

 

On the surface it seems a wonderful thing. Here am I in my loungeroom in Australia, and with just a few keyboard strokes, what I write can be seen in a matter of seconds all across Canada and beyond. This was unheard of when I was a child.

 

Used wisely, this new technology has the ability to reveal how others in our world live. Hopefully, this gives us the opportunity to understand the problems and difficulties which our fellow humans face on a daily basis.

 

That's the potential, but does it?

 

Sadly, tribalism is as strong as ever - as is evidenced by killing other human beings as "collateral damage".

 

Another problem I see with internet communication is the confusion between knowledge and opinion. It seems to me that opinion is given the same weight as knowledge.

When I google any subject I have to spend time trawling through the websites searching for academic knowledge. An article on say, how to treat cancer, written by some guy who claims he has a miracle cure is there right alongside an article from a specialist at the Mayo Clinic.

 

And yet another problem concerns the duplicity of those that don't value the medium.

We have seen here on Wondercafe, more than once, the use of false identities. What sort of communication can come from those that aren't authentic? What sort of a world will we become - with "pretending" folks giving their uninformed opinions to other "pretending" folks?

 

Will reality and authenticity become a thing of the past?

 

Any suggestions on how to remain real in an increasing unreal world?

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Pilgrims Progress wrote:  Any

Pilgrims Progress wrote:
 

Any suggestions on how to remain real in an increasing unreal world?

I almost always use my real name online.  I made that conscious decision over 10 years ago when conversing on the 'net.  I've not had one problem with identity theft that can be traced back to this practice, and so I continue with it.  It isn't for everyone, but there is nothing I put online that I would not say in real life.

 

Now, I know others do not follow the rules, written or unwritten, or go the extra mile to remove at least some of their anonymity online.  I think the important thing is not to get hung up on it.  People who resort to multiple accounts in discussions are rarely effective communicators, so I don't mind the practice as much as most people do.  If they feel they need more voices to make up for the lack of coherence or logic in their message, so be it.

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It's always a balancing act

It's always a balancing act and there is attrition in it. Young people are increasing savvy about the net but unfortunately those who are up to no good are getting craftier as well, meaning people NEED to be increasingly savvy. There will always be those who are incautious and get taken advantage of but I think that was true before the internet as well. I think it's largely the same issues we've always faced, but they're coming at us faster than ever now. I truly think it's the pace of things that has changed the most.

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I saw a thing on tv recently,

I saw a thing on tv recently, a man has written a book about what is becomming of our "identity" because of internet chat. What you say Chansen, would you say everything you say here to everyone you could ever possibly meet or know? Because that's what it ammounts to. Employers, clients, relatives, children and their friends, lawyers, anyone at all.

 

This guy on the tv specified that in real life we have separate identities dependning on who we're talking to. We are a different person, slightly, to our mothers than we are to our bosses or our spouses and best friends, and to our aquaintences. One reason I do not use my real name or my real photo is because I don't want my personal views or other things I say here to interfere with my business. Customers can be fickle! Nor do I want my relatives to eaves drop on my personal conversations.

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Pilgrim - the Cafe is the

Pilgrim - the Cafe is the only internet site I post to - unless you count e-mail.  I guess that, despite some things that have happened here, I take people at face value.  Occasionally I spot somebody that does't ring true - ie they sound like a teenage boy but claim to be a middle-aged woman.  But most people that I have met in person have turned out to be pretty much what they were like on the net.  Certainly on the net you came across as a person I could get along with very easily - and when we met it seemed like we already knew each other.  The only thing, in real life, their personalities come through all the more vividly.  But I've never met Crazyheart and I'm sure that we could start talking the minute we met and it would be hard for anyone to get a word in edgewise for quite awhile.  Some I've been surprised by their physical appearance - I had pictured them to look much more sophisticated (you know, wearing business attire, and dressing down to casual slacks - but never shorts and an old T-shirt. 

 

I don't post my picture or my real name here - mainly because I've talked so darn much about my kids and they deserve some privacy (so I post their toddler pictures).  But if I meet someone, say at my home church or at Presbytery, and we start chatting about the Wonder Cafe, I quickly identify myself as Seeler.

 

Its strange - some of the people I've known on the Cafe and then met in real life, I still think of by their user-name - others I've switched to thinking of by their real names.   I like to be called Seeler - or -------.  Qwerty will always be Qwerty to me.  Specialmom - well I haven't yet been able to think of her as Daisy or by her real name. 

 

But people I've known on the Cafe for awhile - I do trust that they are who they say they are.

 

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Pilgrims Progress

Pilgrims Progress wrote:

 

Used wisely, this new technology has the ability to reveal how others in our world live. Hopefully, this gives us the opportunity to understand the problems and difficulties which our fellow humans face on a daily basis.

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Another problem I see with internet communication is the confusion between knowledge and opinion. It seems to me that opinion is given the same weight as knowledge.

 

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What sort of a world will we become - with "pretending" folks giving their uninformed opinions to other "pretending" folks?

 

Will reality and authenticity become a thing of the past?

 

Any suggestions on how to remain real in an increasing unreal world?

 

Well said. I love how you wrote "What sort of a world will we become - with "pretending" folks giving their uninformed opinions to other "pretending" folks?"

 

I've thought the same thing before. Being anonymous on the internet and interacting with other anonymies is a rather strange thing to do. Sometimes we type things that we may not ever otherwise say to others. Our avatars give us the medium to express anonymous truth.

 

 

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Anonymous truth...hmmm.   I

Anonymous truth...hmmm.

 

I only say things I wouldn't in real life for the sake of letting something out that wouldn't be kooth to say in real life, for the purpose of self discovery, never for the sake of testing someone. And that's only occasional, besides, it depends who I were talking to whether or not I would say it in real life.

 

I don't considder myself anonymous though, I am Elanorgold, it's a name that applies to me, like others may call me by a nickname or pet name. I also have a name on Youtube, and a name on Amazon, and another name on another forum I use only infrequently now. I considder all these names to be aspects of me, like people remembering past lives perhaps. "When I was Sarah, or when I was James." I've also had some involvement with re-enacting where everyone has a "play" name that they considder as much a real name of theirs as their birth name, and this helps me accept user names as real.

 

It's amusing, how just about anything can become a name. Like on an old forum I used to frequent (my first, where I used my real name), there was a guy callet riv3t, prounounced "rivet" he said it was sort of his mating call.

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Seeler, that's a good point,

Seeler, that's a good point, that what you say here could affect your childrens' lives.

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I agree that there are huge

I agree that there are huge advantages to the net. But we may be underestimating the damage it does.

When I was a kid, I read heavily, and was devoted to radio. Both were beneficial. My ability to read was what saved me in the years after I flunked out of school. Radio stimulated thought and imagination  because you had to concentrate and imagine the scene while you listened.

TV destroyed that. you did really learn much from the words because there was no need to use you brain at all. TV is simply a series of rapidly switching pictures. It's watched in a brain-dead state. There's not the slightest question people, especially children, have been losers with TV.

Now, I see my kids with computer. If they're on the web, the messages are trivial. More often, they're playiing games. When other kids come to visit, they get a contoller, and all sit around relating not to each other but to the screen. So kids lose out on the ability to socialize and interact.

I stopped watching TV a long time ago. I'm going to have to discipline myself on the web.

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At least Wondercafe is

At least Wondercafe is anything but trivial. My reading skills have improved here, and my typing skills. Maybe my thinking skills too. I've opened up my mind to unerstanding a greater range of people. Facebook however, was trivial, and odd. I was chatting with girls who I choose to loose contact with in my early years. I don't like video games either.

 

Radio was great. I listened mainly for music, but I did tune in on saturday nights for The Shadow, and another great 40's mystery drama, on CFMI. My favorite show when I was 19 was the techno show wednesday mornings from UBC, the university. I even called in sick from work a couple times so I could stay in and listen. I also got to meet the DJ a few times, and he played my requests.

 

I think whether tv is bad or not depends on the program or movie. Sesame  Street, I consider to be good, and several of the kids shows on CBC weekday mornings, and kids' science shows like Bill Nye the Science Guy, Magic Schoolbus and 321 Contact! . They inspired me as a kid to investigate the world and got my son interested in reading and writting and school and learning early. Other shows, like Northern Exposure and Robin of Sherwood have taught me a lot about more mature concepts and inspired my life. They have fired my imagination and helped me form my views on the world. They spread art and culture. Good movies do the same. I think they add to my imagination. It's a sharing of artistry to me.

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There can be good TV, well

There can be good TV, well worth watching. The problem is that watchiing it is addictive - and most of what's on it is garbage - just changing images. That's why the camera angle changes every 10 to 20 seconds. So a great many people spend all evening watching TV, instead of skipping the bad shows and doing something else.

The Shadow was wonderful. "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" I believe his name was Lamont Cranston.

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Another perspective on

Another perspective on this.....

My 16 yr. old nephew suffers from Asbergers Syndrome, and has great difficulty socializing with his peers, and people in general, even as he is highly intelligent and articulate.  He has a Facebook account which has allowed for communication with family and a few trusted friends.  When people suffer from illnesses which limit real-life sociablity and communication, the internet can become a tool to assist people in their lives.

 

 

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gecko46 wrote:  When people

gecko46 wrote:

 When people suffer from illnesses which limit real-life sociablity and communication, the internet can become a tool to assist people in their lives.

 

Yes, this is true. I remember this came up in discussion when I visited redhead.

 

So, all rants aside, this leaves me with the thought of psychologist Dorothy Rowe:

For every event, there are both good and bad consequences.

 

Perhaps our difficulty is more a question of discernment?

 

 

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I remember a time when I was

I remember a time when I was addicted to the tv. Oh how it hurt to turn it off at 2 in the morning! You are so right Graeme. If only I could have discerned! It's mostly crap, and you flick and flick, hoping to find that one unexpected show that will inspire and teach, but that only rarely happens. Nowadays, the only telly hubby and I watch is at Dad's or stuff we buy or rent. It's safer that way!

 

How nice to hear the line from the Shadow again!

 

Now the question of Wondercafe addiction, is a different story! Or is it?

 

You know, the thing that first drew me in to chat forums, was how much like the group chat in the youth hostel common room it is like. I miss that.

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gecko46 wrote: Another

gecko46 wrote:

Another perspective on this.....

My 16 yr. old nephew suffers from Asbergers Syndrome, and has great difficulty socializing with his peers, and people in general, even as he is highly intelligent and articulate.  He has a Facebook account which has allowed for communication with family and a few trusted friends.  When people suffer from illnesses which limit real-life sociablity and communication, the internet can become a tool to assist people in their lives.

 

 

My ex-wife and younger son both have Asperger's and have both retreated from the internet and have shut themselves off from most people even from each other.  My ex became more violent and suicidal as time went on.  I suspect my late father in law also had AS.  (I understand there's a genetic component to the condition, but I have limited knowledge of the condition.)  I used to keep in contact with my son but now he only talks to my older son on Skype.  My ex got more suicidal as the AS got worse.  I hope your nephew continues to reach out through Facebook or other means to maintain that contact. 

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Thanks for your comments,

Thanks for your comments, retiredrev.

This young man has a wonderful family support system, but every day is a challenge.  His mother is amazing.  She has home-schooled when her son couldn't cope with regular school, and has constantly researched Asberger's to find ways to help her son live a productive life.  The problem now is the Obsessive Compulsive Behaviour that often accompanies Asbergers. 

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Elanorgold wrote: I saw a

Elanorgold wrote:

I saw a thing on tv recently, a man has written a book about what is becomming of our "identity" because of internet chat. What you say Chansen, would you say everything you say here to everyone you could ever possibly meet or know? Because that's what it ammounts to. Employers, clients, relatives, children and their friends, lawyers, anyone at all.

I wouldn't write to people I work for or admire in the same way I write to some of the people on this site, but if they found out about my writing here, I wouldn't deny it was me.  Like I said before - I'm not ashamed of what I've written here, but that doesn't mean I talk like this to everyone.  It also doesn't mean that I can't be sarcastic if confronted with bad reasoning in real life.  Besides, there are enough chansens in this world that it's not like these posts are a direct link to my doorstep.

 

There is a phenom relief pitcher (used to be with the Red Sox, I think) who shares my full name, and I like to think he probably gets some grief for being an outspoken atheist ;)

 

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Yes, chuckle, chuckle. I have

Yes, chuckle, chuckle. I have another person with my full name too, and she's an accomplished woman! We even look a bit alike, weird.

 

True, good answer. I've never heard of the name Chansen before. It's a good name. Funny that I missed it in all my name book trawling.

 

I have an experience though, that may be worth relating... I worked at a shop a few years ago, and I enjoyed the job, and told the ladies honestly, what band I was going all the way to Seattle to see: Dead Can Dance. Now, these ladies were old fashioned, and got the heebie jeebies from the name. I was using my first name on the DCD forum at the time. I wouldn't put it past my then (staunchly catholic) boss and her (pastor's wives) employees to have looked up the band, to see what kind of hooligan heathen she had working for her. Not long after that, I was given fewer and fewer hours, and along came a new staff member, a pastor's wife, to take my shifts, and I was out of work alltogether. Not that this applies to you, but it may just be that I lost my job for my honesties on the forum. You might say, Why would I want to work with them anyway? Well, true, why? On the surface, it was a pleasant place to spend time, and the work was stress free, simple and clean, and I enjoyed bantering with the customers, and it was superior to my other two jobs at the time.

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I have mixed feelings about

I have mixed feelings about internet communication.  There is the criminal element: scams, spams, stalkers, and pedophiles.  I sometimes worry about it, especially for around my son.  We've educated him as best we can and my husband checks up on the type of sites he's visiting when he's doing matinance. 

 

Then there is the amazing support and resourses that people can find with the press of a few buttons.  I belong to a few transgender forums and I often wonder how my life may have been different if I could have reached out so easily when I was young.  If I could have posted my story and connected with others going through the same kind of thing and get advice from people who have already been through it.  Finding out about a local support or outreach group by email and getting more information before you go.  It's amazing what is available.

 

I do find that I have to be careful when looking up information on specific topics like when I was trying to find out more about my mom's cancer or my son's genetic disorder.  As long as I kept my filter on I was alright and got a heap of good information.

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Another thing about internet

Another thing about internet communication, I had the priviledge of speaking to and being answered by, a hero singer of mine, who I have idolized since I was 16. Now I wouldn't trade that for anything. It was at once an imense honour and lucky treat, and also a case of you should never meet your idols. The music has lost some of it's magic and awe, yet gained some earthy dirt it didn't have before. Now, he is no longer a god to me, but a man, with flaws and weaknesses like the rest of us. You can't really believe that til you meet them. I feel deflated yet elevated...if that makes sence. And I still feel priviledged. I can share my poetry and philosophy  there with the man who inspired me all these years, I can give something back.

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