Wondercafe is pretty good at generating a lot of ideas in a hurry. So let's just pretend for a moment that global warming is a hoax. What private investments would you pursue? Where would public investment money best be spent?
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qwerty
I would be interested, too,
Posted on: 07/23/2009 08:42
I would be interested, too, in knowing any ramifications for our moral, spiritual, or church investments.
Fitjarald
I would pursue investment in
Posted on: 07/23/2009 08:56
I would pursue investment in sustainable technology. Regardless of the negative impacts of our over indulgent lifestyles, it is entirely unsustainable, and it is unfair for our generation to short change all future generations by using up all non-renewable resources.
So, back to the initial question.... Nothing would change. I'd still invest in the same technology.
qwerty
I guess the question is has
Posted on: 07/23/2009 09:01
I guess the question is has the definition of "sustainable" been expanded by our new found knowledge that, for instance, CO2 is not the boogie man we thought it was.
Fitjarald
Sustainability has nothing to
Posted on: 07/23/2009 09:13
Sustainability has nothing to do with CO2 emissions, global warming, or climate change. Sustainability is where the environmental demands of current generations can be met without reducing the capacity of the environment to provide for future generations. As it stands now, we cannot sustain our lifestyle. Therefore, regardless of CO2 emissions or any other "craze" that may be going on, it is still important for us to invest in renewable energy and technology as it ensures our children will be able to enjoy what we have enjoyed.
qwerty
Beachfront property?
Posted on: 07/23/2009 09:17
Beachfront property? Commercial property in downtown New Orleans? Should we sell our holdings of subarctic farmland?
qwerty
Here is a thought! CO2
Posted on: 07/23/2009 09:39
Here is a thought! CO2 emmissions, especially from fossil fuels are good. Why? Well apart from the immediate benefits of burning fossil fuels (heat and light) it frees CO2. CO2 is a necessary component for the growth of all plant life. A CO2 rich environment encourages plant growth. This translates into greater crop yields and larger forests. CO2 is the gas of life. A lot of it is locked beneath the rocks. We are providing for future life on the planet by unlocking it. We are providing for the future sustainability of plant growth by freeing CO2 now. Also it contributes marginally to global temperature and thereby also encourages plant growth.
Fitjarald
I thought that this was a
Posted on: 07/23/2009 09:50
I thought that this was a thread on what technologies to invest in, should global warming not pose a threat? Not a "lets debate global warming" thread. However, I'll bite....
Again, once we run out of fossil fuels, what then? "Ah, sorry kids, daddy burned all your heat and light (as you put it) but you have lots of trees and marginally warmer climates. Enjoy!" Unsustainable. Investing in technologies that divert the need to burn fossil fuels to a renewable resource is sustainable. Secondly, your understanding of CO2 is so basic it astounds me! If you truly are suggesting that burning fossil fuels only creates life giving gas as a biproduct, please lock yourself in your garage, turn your car on, and bring a plant with you to balance the oxygen and CO2. Let me know how only the CO2 emissions go for you. CO2 is essential to plant life, you're right. But an excess of CO2 in the atmosphere is detrimental to animal life and, contrary to popular believe, does not increase the food value of plants. While they may grow faster and bigger, their nutrient value is the same, as that's something not gained from CO2. Therefore, we'll have alot of nutrient poor crops, which is the same as eating fewer nutrient rich crops. Please oh please leave the science to the scientists, and i'll leave the courtroom to the lawyers!
qwerty
I'm really not arguing one
Posted on: 07/23/2009 10:02
I'm really not arguing one way or the other on CO2. I'm no scientist and I'm no agriculturalist. I'm simply putting forward that point to illustrate that the idea of sustainability is a flexible one and that certainly the question of whether irreversible climate change was underway and was not about to turn and go in the other direction might impact what is deemed to be sustainable and what is deemed not to be ... (Brrrrr! Do I sense this summer that the climate is changing or is it just the weather?)
Frankly, when I ask someone what they would invest in and they say "something that is sustainable" I take that as an "I don't know". Could you be more specific?
Fitjarald
Yes, the definition of
Posted on: 07/23/2009 10:10
Yes, the definition of sustainability is flexible, but within the bounds of not taking more than can be replaced within a reasonable amount of time.
Personally, I would invest in Earth Ships (which address water and power consumption on a per-household bases), community based/sized agricultural spaces, education, and alternate forms of transportation. (I like my bike, but lets face it, -50 is way too cold for biking!! )
momsfruitcake
i would continue spending and
Posted on: 07/23/2009 11:08
i would continue spending and investing in the exact same manner as i do now. sustainability is a vague word, so to be more specific, i would continue to purchase organic. i would continue to purchase fair trade. i would continue to cut back on unecessary things and pollute less. i would continue to contribute to charities. i would continue to investigate the companies i do my business with.
as long as we can't swim in our water, as long as children are dying from starvation, kids are sick from high doses of chemical soup (there is no denying the affect of plastics/toxins/pestisides) and big business is not accountable for their toll on humanity/earth , i will continue to purchase in the same manner.
the earth has been changing since it began. i would imagine it will continue to do so with or without us. people shouldn't be changing their ways because of "climate change/global warming". it should be about how we treat others in general and how we will help each other through these changes. it is only common sense to respect the earth and ALL its inhabitants. once we acheive that, everything else will be just fine.
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momsfruitcake
Fitjarald wrote: Yes, the
Posted on: 07/23/2009 11:09
Yes, the definition of sustainability is flexible, but within the bounds of not taking more than can be replaced within a reasonable amount of time.
Personally, I would invest in Earth Ships (which address water and power consumption on a per-household bases), community based/sized agricultural spaces, education, and alternate forms of transportation. (I like my bike, but lets face it, -50 is way too cold for biking!! )
very interesting. i'm googling it :)
Goodskeptic
Investment in biotechnology -
Posted on: 07/23/2009 12:12
Investment in biotechnology - it will be the next revolution in everything from medicine, modern manufacturing, food production, pollution solutions and very likely technological innovation.
First and foremost however - education. The world of the near future will be dominated by those with specific, advanced and therefore valuable skill sets. Think, engineers of all mechanical-chemical-biological types, financiers, scientists in general, doctors...
Witch
qwerty wrote: Wondercafe is
Posted on: 07/23/2009 12:20
Wondercafe is pretty good at generating a lot of ideas in a hurry. So let's just pretend for a moment that global warming is a hoax. What private investments would you pursue? Where would public investment money best be spent?
Can we also pretend that Shperical Earth, and the Copernican model of the solar system are hoaxes too?
What about biology, can we pretend that's a hoax too?
And while we're at it, let's pretend that the germ theory of disease is a hoax.
If we're going to pretend that one scientifically sound and well proven concept is a hoax, why stop at one?
qwerty
Ho! Ho! Ho! Imagine! Saying
Posted on: 07/23/2009 13:05
Ho! Ho! Ho! Imagine! Saying that Global Warming might not be man made! Next thing you know they'll be saying theearth orbits the sun instead of the other way around!
Fitjarald
I might suggest, qwerty, that
Posted on: 07/23/2009 13:12
I might suggest, qwerty, that arguing with you goes in circles. It is widely accepted scientific FACT that global warming is a naturally occuring process AND that it is also being accelerated by an undetermined (by this I mean debated) amount due to human activity. Please understand this as fact, and get off this "so you agree it's natural...well, lets say it's not caused by humans at all...well, i read one report that said it's just a 3 year trend...it's just a crock thought up by environmentalists" loop that you're in. In other words, advance the plot line! It is getting wearisome responding to the same argument time and time again.....
@ Goodskeptic -
I can agree with this! It truly is amazing the advancements being made in biotechnology! It will certainly be one of the new technological waves that sweeps the nation. And, as you stated, it relies on eductaion.
musicsooths
The world is changing and
Posted on: 07/23/2009 13:26
The world is changing and will continue to change. That certainly doesn't mean that we should ignore it. I think that the more we do to protect our natural resources the better. I admit that I do not recycle as much as I could although I am recycling way more than I did 10 years ago.
qwerty
Yeah sure Fitjarald! Next
Posted on: 07/23/2009 13:50
Yeah sure Fitjarald! Next thing you will be telling me that the bible is the literal word of God.
qwerty
Momsfruitcake seems to have
Posted on: 07/23/2009 13:51
Momsfruitcake seems to have some ideas though ...
Fitjarald
qwerty wrote: Yeah sure
Posted on: 07/23/2009 14:17
Yeah sure Fitjarald! Next thing you will be telling me that the bible is the literal word of God.
I feel bad for your clients... Again, more circles. I am not opposed to debating a point, and infact, openly welcome newfound arguments into the topic! But please stop being so ignorant! I am agreeing with you, and expounding upon your rightful statement about global warming, and then you turn around and try to paint me as something I'm not. I do recall you accusing me of this action in another thread, and would kindly appreciate a less hipocritical approach. Again, I enjoy the banter, but please ADVANCE the plot!
momsfruitcake does raise some interesting ideas, all related to sustainability. I certainly appreach the better definition of sustainability that she offers.
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qwerty wrote: Wondercafe is
Posted on: 07/23/2009 15:35
Wondercafe is pretty good at generating a lot of ideas in a hurry. So let's just pretend for a moment that global warming is a hoax. What private investments would you pursue? Where would public investment money best be spent?
I'd make a documentary starring the former Vice-President of U.S. of A. It'd scare millions and make millions for me.
The globe is warming. Before that the globe cooled. The temperature of the planet is a continual cycle. Not too long ago people were predicting the next ice age.
Judd
The Republican Party has been
Posted on: 07/23/2009 17:26
The Republican Party has been pretending that Global Warming is a hoax for years if not decades.
If it is, then they will own everything and Socialists like me will die in the concentration camps.
Judd
The Republican Party has been
Posted on: 07/23/2009 17:26
The Republican Party has been pretending that Global Warming is a hoax for years if not decades.
If it is, then they will own everything and Socialists like me will die in the concentration camps.
lastpointe
Currently the globe is
Posted on: 07/23/2009 17:59
Currently the globe is actually cooling. the past decade , with the exception of one year, I think it was 1999, each year has been cooler.
Global cooling is a bigger threat as the reason we would be cooling is if something were to happen to the sun.
The reason this year is so cool is that the sun is at an all time low in it's cycle of sun spots. February 2009 ( i think, but it might have been March)is the only month on record with no sunspot activity at all.
however, to look at your question qwerty.
If I were to invest in something for the future good of the planet I would consider water. A cheap way to desalinate ocean water for use but then also resalinate it prior to putting it back. I would consider ways of getting the most out of the water that we do have.
Changing from high water use plants in farming globally to water conservers.
It was one of the things I liked in the book Dune. How everyone reclaimed their own water and redrank it as needed.
To think that we could each be our own biosphere is quite a neat idea.
Warm or cool, i think water is the concern. It is amazing to think that all the water we currently have on earth has been here forever. It just keeps cycling around and around. We need to conserve it, use it and keep in clean
qwerty
Actually 1936 was the warmest
Posted on: 07/23/2009 18:24
Actually 1936 was the warmest year in the last 100.
I liked Dune too. Boutros Boutros-Galli predicted that the next major war will be fought over water. I believe water technologies will also be increasingly important ( climate change or no)
alta
Not too long a go I read
Posted on: 07/24/2009 10:57
Not too long a go I read about some golf courses in the SE States that developed a vaiety of grass that could be irrigated with pure sea-water. I would invest in plant bio-tech that would bring that trait to wheat, corn, etc. Imagine the middle-east becoming the bread basket of asia.
momsfruitcake
alta wrote: Not too long a go
Posted on: 07/24/2009 11:17
Not too long a go I read about some golf courses in the SE States that developed a vaiety of grass that could be irrigated with pure sea-water. I would invest in plant bio-tech that would bring that trait to wheat, corn, etc. Imagine the middle-east becoming the bread basket of asia.
could you post a link please. sounds like an interesting read.
revjohn
Hi qwerty, qwerty
Posted on: 07/24/2009 16:05
Hi qwerty,
What private investments would you pursue? Where would public investment money best be spent?
I wouldn't have time for that because I'd be Green Lantern of space sector 2814 and I'd be in the middle of a fight with my pal Barry who is recently back from the dead and a Martian Manhunter who is back and according to my ring, still dead.
And whereas prior to his death the Martian Manhunter was my friend and former colleague in the Justice League he now appears to think Barry and I should have stayed dead and is determined to correct the problem of our resurrections.
I've tried to get my fellow Lanterns via my ring but there is no response on Oa.
I think its serious.
Grace and peace to you.
John
alta
I gave it a quick google but
Posted on: 07/26/2009 11:54
I gave it a quick google but couldn't find it. I'm pretty sure the article I read was in the Western Producer. I'll keep looking.
momsfruitcake
revjohn wrote: Hi
Posted on: 07/26/2009 14:35
Hi qwerty,
What private investments would you pursue? Where would public investment money best be spent?
I wouldn't have time for that because I'd be Green Lantern of space sector 2814 and I'd be in the middle of a fight with my pal Barry who is recently back from the dead and a Martian Manhunter who is back and according to my ring, still dead.
And whereas prior to his death the Martian Manhunter was my friend and former colleague in the Justice League he now appears to think Barry and I should have stayed dead and is determined to correct the problem of our resurrections.
I've tried to get my fellow Lanterns via my ring but there is no response on Oa.
I think its serious.
Grace and peace to you.
John
sounds serious *lol*
revjohn
Hi
Posted on: 07/26/2009 19:58
Hi momsfruitcake
sounds serious *lol*
Ack, the Martian if fast and has me by the throat. It appears he wants to take my heart out.
C'mon Barry, move faster.
Grace and peace to you.
John