Some of you have been inquiring, and I know that you hold us in your thoughts and prayers. I thank you.
I think I spoke prematurely about good news, and it did seem that way for awhile. But the cancer is worse than first thought when the results of the tests came back. No it hasn't spread far, but it is in her lymph nodes. It is now considered Grade 3, Stage 3, for those of you who know what that means. I understand that it is bad but treatable.
She has recovered from her masectomy and has pretty good motion in her arm. She does some physio for it. She had her first Chemo treatment two weeks ago. She was pretty sick the first evening - throwing up steady for six hours. Then she had 24 hours reprieve before the fatigue set in. Two days that she could barely lift her head off the pillow - just a heavy, heavy feeling. Then it went away and gradually she started feeling herself again, but I noted that she needed both a morning and afternoon nap.
Family, friends, and the church pitch in providing meals, childcare, etc. I've been trying to do laundry for two households, as well as cleaning, changing and making beds, etc. Mr.Seeler hurt his back and I had that to worry about too. Sometimes I felt overwhelmed but we were managing.
Then --- like me, Seelergirl has crohns disease. Her last acute flair-up was about five years ago. With medication she was managing. Her cancer doctor told her to continue the medication. Things were ok until last weekend.
Now she is in hospital with a bowel blockage. For a few terrible hours we thought we were facing bowel resection. I've had it, its serious surgery and has a three month recovery. But now it seems her probelm is responding to steriod treatment. If all goes well she should only be in hospital, in isolation, for about a week. But how will that affect her cancer treament schedule?
And she had scheduled her cancer treatments so that she would be between treatments and relatively well this coming weekend when she had her daughter had planned a special trip ever since Christmas with two other mother / daughter couplets. She won't be able to go - granddaughter will go with the other two mother's looking out for her - but it won't be the same. They are bitterly disappointed.
How do you watch you child cry? She has been so brave until now - this isn't fair?
How am I going to manage.
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cjms
((((seeler)))). You will
Posted on: 06/01/2010 14:03
((((seeler)))). You will manage with the love and support of friends and family and hopefully some of us on the cafe. You will manage one day at a time and some days you won't manage at all - and know that that is ok too. Keeping you in my thoughts...cms
RitaTG
I weep with
Posted on: 06/01/2010 14:04
I weep with you.......
Hugs
Rita
Northwind
((((((((((seeler)))))))) I
Posted on: 06/01/2010 14:05
((((((((((seeler))))))))
I second what cjms said.
redbaron338
((((Seelergang)))) Know that
Posted on: 06/01/2010 14:12
((((Seelergang)))) Know that my thoughts and prayers are with you all
boneswife
I wish you strength as you go
Posted on: 06/01/2010 15:02
I wish you strength as you go through this.
One day at a time or one hour at a time, or one minute at a time - that's how you get through something like this
lastpointe
Oh seeler, my heart goes out
Posted on: 06/01/2010 15:33
Oh seeler, my heart goes out to you.
You will manage day by day, with love and prayers. With good friends helping. With laughter and tears and hugs for everyone.
As you say, there is hope for treatment and the complications will be figured out by the specialists. Take each day as it comes and break all the big tasks and worries down into bite size ones that you can deal with.
Prayers follow you where ever you go
Smote
Oh, that's such tough stuff.
Posted on: 06/01/2010 15:57
Oh, that's such tough stuff. I'm teary for you. I'm so glad you expressed yourself, here — I hope that doing so helped a little, gave you the chance to say things you might feel selfish saying elsewhere.
myst
Oh seeler, this is so
Posted on: 06/01/2010 16:05
Oh seeler, this is so upsetting to read.
You must be feeling overwhelmed with everything and filled with concern and worry. It must be so hard to watch your daughter experiencing so many challenges. Others here have said it so well – one minute, one step, one day at a time knowing you have many caring people holding you, supporting you - and your daughter and family - along the way.
My thoughts are with you.
((((((seeler))))))
Beloved
(((((seeler))))) I have no
Posted on: 06/01/2010 16:19
(((((seeler)))))
I have no words . . . but extend caring for you and your family at this time.
Birthstone
Cjms said it first and best -
Posted on: 06/01/2010 16:32
Cjms said it first and best - I liked what she said. We're praying and hoping and crossing fingers and toes for you & your daughter and her family. I'm wishing you times of laughter & sanity to soften the worry & sadness.
Pilgrims Progress
Such sad news - my thoughts,
Posted on: 06/01/2010 17:08
Such sad news - my thoughts, hopes and heart are with you.
waterfall
Seeler, I'm so sorry to hear
Posted on: 06/01/2010 17:32
Seeler, I'm so sorry to hear this. Many of us have daughters, myself included and this is a moment none of us hope we ever have to face, but here you are, trying to keep the world together for you and your daughter and the family. I'm sure you are running on empty at times and then other times you may wonder where your strength springs from to face this.
She's so lucky to have you, when she needs you so much!
You will be in my prayers.
Hilary
I pray that the
Posted on: 06/01/2010 17:55
I pray that the doctors/nurses do the right things,
that seelergirl's body responds the right ways,
and that everyone involved can breathe deeply at times.
seeler
cjms, RitaTG, Northwind,
Posted on: 02/18/2011 10:21
cjms, RitaTG, Northwind, redbaron, boneswife, Smote, Myst, Beloved, Birthstone, Pilgrims Progress, waterfall, Hilary, Carolla, and others who have posted or sent a wondermail of concern - thank you. Thank you for your encouraging words, your strength, your care and your prayers.
I had granddaughter over to see her mother today. Seelergirl is looking much better, the two blood transfusions put some colour in her face. She is off pain medication and having some bowel action. No prognosis as yet but things are looking up. I took out a bowl of chicken stew to her husband and son - took granddaughter shopping and to the bank to get some American money for her trip. Sleep now, and face another day.
chemgal
Seeler, sorry to hear about
Posted on: 06/01/2010 20:31
Seeler, sorry to hear about the recent problems but things are looking a little better already. Maybe you guys could plan out a fun day that doesn't require any reservations so the next time your daughter is feeling up to it and is free of appointments you can all do something fun. I hope things continue to improve!
Tabitha
I'm sorry for you-this
Posted on: 06/01/2010 21:45
I'm sorry for you-this journey has not been straightforward.
May you feel God's presence and the love of friends and family as you walk this road.
Here's to the end of the cancer!
chansen
Seeler, you'll manage because
Posted on: 06/01/2010 22:10
Seeler, you'll manage because that's what you do. Just be sure to make good use of the support system and don't completely burn yourself out. Your daughter is leaning heavily on you to help her family, but she probably needs to talk to you just as much or more.
If I've learned anything in the past few years, it's that stuff happens. Some good, some bad, and while you can influence the odds to a certain degree, it's still just the luck of the draw. I hope things start to look up soon.
abpenny
It makes me weepy to know
Posted on: 06/01/2010 22:26
It makes me weepy to know this is weighing you down, Seeler. Sending soft thoughts but also a reminder that I've been with you and know your steel and have felt your presence. You will rise when needed, but a note that chansen points out the most important thing...your daughter mostly needs you to talk to.
qwerty
Well Seeler I am truly sorry
Posted on: 06/01/2010 22:38
Well Seeler I am truly sorry to hear that your family is suffering in this way. You and your husband are such a genuine couple and I remember your joyful attitude toward life from our time together at 5 Oaks. Your husband's back probably went out because he is feeling the stress of you daughters illness. You must remember to take care of yourselves even while all this is going on. I am thinking of you and your family.
crazyheart
Seeler, I think of you and
Posted on: 06/01/2010 22:49
Seeler, I think of you and your family often. Your strength is your familes strength. But take some "you" time as hard as that may be. It will make you stronger.
Audrey.
Hello Seeler, I am very sorry
Posted on: 06/02/2010 06:53
Hello Seeler, I am very sorry to hear the latest developments. I will be thinking of you all over the next weeks. It is good to see you have so many people who care about you here.
ninjafaery
Sending you, your daughter,
Posted on: 06/02/2010 07:48
Sending you, your daughter, and your whole family light and healing. May you all be held in the love and caring around you
The road was so hard before, and now it's gotten harder -- wishing you the strength and optimism that the situation asks of you.
And yes -- Please take care of yourself.
(((((seele&family)))))
Pinga
aaah, seeler....i read your
Posted on: 06/02/2010 07:54
aaah, seeler....i read your post with sadness ....a long hug friend.
just thinking...help yourself to some of that good that is being dropped off at your daughter's house....use it so you don't have to cook a meal, when you are doing all this other stuff.
pace yoruself for this marathon.....piece be with you and hoping your husband's back is feeling better soon, too
Pinga
duplicate post ---
Posted on: 06/02/2010 08:06
duplicate post ---
Alex
Bearhugs ((B)) I would
Posted on: 06/02/2010 08:07
Bearhugs ((B))
I would second Pinga's thoughts, and make sure you take care of yourself. I was terribly worried about my Mom when I was ill. Often many people I would talk to at the Cancer Clinic while waiting to see a doctor or for radiotherapy, were more worried about the stress their love ones were going through, than they were about there own illness.
It has been my experence that often those who are ill are able to "take it one day at a time" or one hour at a time, while the loved ones are unable to do so. Being ill gave us an excuse to let go, and allow our grief to express itself. Which is exactly what is needed in order to go on. Crying is healthy.
Beloved
Good morning seeler . . .
Posted on: 06/02/2010 08:05
Good morning seeler . . . wishing you and your family strength, help, hope, peace, love, provision, and caring for this new day.
DaisyJane
Seeler. I can simply find no
Posted on: 06/02/2010 08:22
Seeler. I can simply find no words. Your strength during this difficult time is inspiring.
Please know that you and your family are in my prayers.
seeler
To those who posted earlier
Posted on: 06/02/2010 11:22
To those who posted earlier and Tabitha, Chansen, Penny, Qwerty, Crazyheart, Audrey, Ninjafairy, Pinga, Alex, Specialmom, Gecko - thank you for your concern. I was in to see Seelergirl last night and again this morning and was lucky enough to catch two doctors. Things are looking up.
Apparently chemo sometimes does this. Something happens to the blood cells and the count goes way, way down to dangerous levels. They gave her transfusions and her blood is returning to normal. But the stress, and the low white blood count triggered the crohns. It was not a bad falir-up (as these things go) and they got to it early. The steriods are working.
She is out of isolation, permitted to have a bath (keeping her arm wrapped in plastic), and to drink clear fluids. (She's had nothing but ice chips since she went in.) Within a couple of days she will be on soft foods, then on regular diet. If all goes well she will be home by the weekend - too late to go on her trip.
She is sad but accepting - these things happen. I tell her of all your prayers and support; and I'm sure she feels you love from across the country and around the world, as I do. Our church has provided her with a prayer shawl. I treasure mine.
I met our retired clergyman on his way into the hospital as I left this morning. She will be pleased to see him.
We chug along. Thanks for your concerns.
lastpointe
Each day can bring those
Posted on: 06/02/2010 11:33
Each day can bring those glimmers of hope and this sounds like a real flare of hope.
The way chemo works, in general, is to kill off fast growing cells. Cancer cells are fast growing so it catches them. Sadly the other really fast growing cells are bone marrow, which produce all the blood cells.
So while the chemo can start to work killing cancer cells, it also attacks the stomach lining (nausea) the hair follicles ( baldness) the bone marrow ( low WBC leading to infection) ( low RBC leading to anemia.) And of course the list goes on depending on the drugs.
Sometimes that means that the original plan for chemo needs to be modified. Perhaps a decreased dosage for more treatments, or an increase in the period of time between doses, or an additional med to help cope with symptoms.
Usually, in chemo, it is the total amount of the drug, given over time , that kills the cancer cells. not the amount given on each treatment. Therefore they can alter the dosage plan without affecting the outcome.
I recognise that i have given a huge generalization here but i hope it helps explain things a bit.
Another way , when people ask how they can help , is to suggest they go give blood. Your daughter is using it and while it isn't a tangible help to her , often people like to think of helping others.
Your family is always in my prayers. Cancer can be beaten and youth is an asset
Pinga
thanks lastpointe for your
Posted on: 06/02/2010 12:56
thanks lastpointe for your wisdom on this thread...i learn so much from this site
seeler -- glad today is a wee bit better day
gecko46
Adding my 2 cents worth.
Posted on: 06/02/2010 13:24
Adding my 2 cents worth. Chemo is very hard on the immune system since it can't discriminate between bad cells and good cells, so during chemo treatments it is very important to eat foods that boost the immune system. Suggest to your daughter that she stay away from sugars, unless natural sugars in fruits, and eat lots of veggies, raw and cooked. Vegetable broths are good if the stomach rejects other foods. Brown rice is good and alternative grains such as millet and quinoa are high in protein while being very palatable.
Natural yogurts help restore the good bacteria destroyed by chemo or your daughter could try acidolphilus capsules. Papaya and pineapple are also good for the digestive tract.
Vitamin C is a known anti-oxident and boosts immunity. Aloe Vera Gel taken orally helps combat inflammation in the digestive tract and may help alleviate symptoms from crohns.
I'm probably telling you things you already know, but offer these suggestions out of concern for your daughter's overall health. I've been down a road that reguired learning about some of the above.
Beloved
lastpointe wrote: So while
Posted on: 06/02/2010 14:17
So while the chemo can start to work killing cancer cells, it also attacks the stomach lining (nausea) the hair follicles ( baldness) the bone marrow ( low WBC leading to infection) ( low RBC leading to anemia.) And of course the list goes on depending on the drugs.
Usually, in chemo, it is the total amount of the drug, given over time , that kills the cancer cells. not the amount given on each treatment. Therefore they can alter the dosage plan without affecting the outcome.
Thanks lastpointe for these explanations.
seeler
Thank you Lastpointe for your
Posted on: 06/02/2010 17:57
Thank you Lastpointe for your clear, lay-person's explanation of what is happening. It helps me to understand what I'm hearing at the hospital. I'm learning far more about this disease and its treatment than I ever thought I'd want to know.
Apparently Seelergirl's blood count plunged much lower than expected. Now that the oncology (new word for me) people know what to expect they are planning to give her something to stimulate the born marrow at the time she has her next chemo treatment. It costs $3,000 per treatment but she can apply to have it covered by insurance.
Meanwhile she is improving all the time. This afternoon when I went in she was walking the halls, pushing her IV pole, and eating a popsicle. She will probably be going home on Friday. Wednesday treatments will begin again.
gecko - thanks for the suggestions about food. Over the years since she developed crohns Seelergirl has discovered pretty well what her body can tolerate and what may cause problems. And perhaps surprisingly its somewhat different for her than for me. Foods that give me no problem (like dairy) for me can cause her discomfort. And some foods that I've discovered its wise to avoid cause her no problem.
Actually, sometimes crohns patients do quite well on chemo. Chemo is an immune suspressant. Crohns is an auto-immune disease. Suspressing the immune system sometimes workd well for crohns. It just didn't in this case.
So very much to find out.
Thanks everyone for your concern.
chansen
It is amazing how much you
Posted on: 06/02/2010 18:18
It is amazing how much you learn when a loved one is going through something like chemotherapy. I absorbed a lot when my mother, and then my mother-in-law, underwent chemo. I remember googling treatment options and definitions of terms the doctors were using. My wife, with a PhD in engineering, became extremely versed in her mother's lymphona type and treatment options, and was an incredibly good advocate for her mother. But you don't need that kind of background - you mostly need to be there when the doctor comes around, and there to discuss options with your loved one after the doctor leaves. This is an incredibly important function - to serve as a sounding board and to talk through the plan. It sounds like you're learning and fulfilling your sounding board and patient advocate duties just fine.
Pilgrims Progress
Just my two cents worth. It's
Posted on: 06/02/2010 20:05
Just my two cents worth.
It's very important when the chemo leads to a low white blood cell count to be very concerned with the possibility of infection.
When my husband's white blood cell count was at it's lowest (nadir, I think it was called?) we wouldn't allow the grandkids to visit him in hospital for fear of an overwhelming infection. (Little kids catch lots of colds at pre-school etc.)
Also, I rapidly became the hand sanitizer police, insisting that all visitors used it.
carolla
(((seelerfamily))) Glad to
Posted on: 06/02/2010 20:34
(((seelerfamily))) Glad to hear things are stabilizing once again. Chemo has lots of ups & downs for sure - it is a twisting road with frequent detours, not an expressway. How to manage? Just as you are dear seeler, moment to moment, and with all the tender wisdom that people have shared above.
I'm guessing the drug you referred to above is neupogen ... it's used to stimulate production of white blood cells, and is horridly expensive, but worth every penny. I hope your daughter's insurance will cover it. It is given by subcutaneous injection (just under the skin, not deep into muscle) and worked really well for my friend who recently had chemo. You also mentioned she had terrible vomitting after her first chemo - there are various drugs available to help with that - usually if the first one given is not effective (which obviously it was not!), they will upgrade to a different drug (often Zofran) which is more expensive too, but very useful for most people.
Also, with chemo, before each round of treatment, blood work is usually done (often the same day) - they wait for the results to come back & don't proceed with any chemo until they read those numbers. If they are too low, then chemo is delayed until the body has recovered sufficiently. This is really quite common - but feels a bit frustrating too. However, my friend started to look upon it as "bonus days" of feeling pretty good between treatments, rather than frustrating or disappointing delays - the framing changes the picture.
My thoughts and prayers go with you on your journey.
jlin
Seeler, Trying to put
Posted on: 06/02/2010 21:17
Seeler,
Trying to put myself in your shoes, I think that I would find a good friend in a hairdresser, manicurist or masseuse. Someone who will relax you with "stimulation and relaxation therapy" at the same time as being able to hold your story in the context of their professionialism and good common sense.
When your daughter feels well enough, get a mani-pedi for her. She is young and is up against it so little things will make the huge difference in her 'tude.
That is just me. just saying.
lastpointe
I totally agree with Chansen
Posted on: 06/03/2010 08:19
I totally agree with Chansen about the patient advocacy role. But I think it more than advocacy, it is interpretation.
In my opinion all docs forget just how foreign most of the terms and short forms are to patients. They can make off hand comments that cause great distress when misunderstood.
A good nurse will help you navigate the system and usually cancer ward RN's are very good at it.
I always suggest to patients that they keep a note pad at the bed and write down anything they want to ask the doc. Those visits on Rounds can be very brief and leave the patient with unanswered questions.
If you have a list it helps.
If a term is used, ask for an explanation. I think years of answering patients questions gives most nurses a pretty good skill at using "lay mans terms" but docs not so much.
Keeping you in my prayers. This is likely to be one of many bumps along the road but what a relief it must be to your daughter to know that others have her back in this
carolla
So very true lastpointe re
Posted on: 06/03/2010 19:47
So very true lastpointe re use of language. Way too much is assumed, and this creates unnecessary distress.
seeler
Good News! Seelergirl is
Posted on: 06/03/2010 20:18
Good News! Seelergirl is home! She has made a remarkable fast recovery considering how sick she was Sunday evening / Monday morning. I was so scared. Now it seems that I was making more fuss than necessary. But she is recovering.
Right now she is on fluids and soft food - a very restricted diet. After s few days she can gradually begin reintroducing foods, one at a time, for a low residue diet. No whole grains, no raw vegetables, and a restricted list of well cooked vegies, no fruit with seeds, no apples, no nuts, dried peas or beans, no fried foods, no milk. Almost the exact opposite to what a healthy person would consider a good food plan. But it is to give her bowel a rest. Her dietitian will be following her to make sure she doesn't become undernourished.
I was out to he place for awhile this afternoon and was pleased that her mother-in-law had beat me to it and had the vacumning done. We divided the laundry to bring hom and do. I'll be going out again in the morning to see what all she needs.
I think we are on track for the chemo to start again next week.
artemisia
Seeler, I am just reading
Posted on: 06/03/2010 20:34
Seeler, I am just reading this thread, and was so glad to reach the last post and read your good news! I just want to say that I, for one, definitely don't think you were making more fuss than necessary...it was a scary and painful time and you didn't know how it was going to turn out. I imagine it was a relief to express some of your worries and fears, and and it's always good to let our communities uplift us during our times of uncertainty and darkness.
One of my favourite lines from the song Lean on Me: "no one can fill those of your needs that you don't let show..."
Keeping you and your family in my prayers.
gaiagrrl
Seeler, I too am just reading
Posted on: 06/03/2010 21:07
Seeler, I too am just reading this thread and so followed along and was so glad to find your last post in a different place than your first. It is such a roller coaster - I was part of my brother in law's care team and so much of this rings bells for me. The worry, the ache for someone you love, it taking you to the brink and then pulling back just enough to gasp... and I get the need for explanations... we took a tape recorder to every appointment so that we could play it back later and really sit with the information... cause it is way to much to take in.
I am sending huge hugs your way for now and for the journey ahead... hug manna, if you will... and prayers are daily for you and your daughter and family... peace, wonderfriend, peace.
Pinga
yeah, seeler. thanks for
Posted on: 06/03/2010 21:39
yeah, seeler. thanks for sharing how you all are doing.
glad that things are better and that you have a good weekend.
carolla
Lovely news seeler ... sleep
Posted on: 06/03/2010 22:35
Lovely news seeler ... sleep well tonight.
Tyson
Here is a big bear hug from
Posted on: 06/03/2010 22:52
Here is a big bear hug from consumingfire to the seelergang.
Ariel
Adding my prayers and
Posted on: 06/07/2010 17:50
Adding my prayers and positive thoughts for you and your daughter, Seeler. Hope everything continues to improve. :)
seeler
Seelergirl had me worried a
Posted on: 06/07/2010 18:19
Seelergirl had me worried a bit last Saturday. I went out midmorning (she lives about 20 minutes from me) and she looked pale and said she had cramps. I tried to get her to call the oncology unit but she thought she was just tired and went to bed. Three hours later she felt better and is continuing to mend.
Today she is running around doing errands, and getting ready for Chemo again on Wednesday. She'll have different (and better I hope) medicine to counteract the side effects this time. We'll see how it goes.
Meanwhile three people from the church are lined up to provide meals for Thursday, Friday and Monday. And friends of hers are planning a benefit dance.
People are so very good. Thank you for your prayers.
Alex
Good news Indeed!
Posted on: 06/07/2010 18:24
Good news Indeed!
Beloved
It's heartwarming that there
Posted on: 06/08/2010 08:05
It's heartwarming that there is such generosity, giving, and caring in your church family for seelergirl and family. I hope someone is also taking care and nurturing seeler.
Olivet_Sarah
seeler I've been in and out
Posted on: 06/08/2010 12:24
seeler I've been in and out of the cafe for awhile and really only in the religious and relationships areas - preoccupied with my own family drama of late - but I poked in here to see how the positive upswing in a scary situation came about, and I am happy and relieved for your family, and continue to pray knowing it's still a long road ahead. Take care of yourself and the seelergang.