My daughter is in grade 7 and has just turned 13. Through the years she has had many friends, but a group of four has remained constant. These girls have been wonderful and supportive friends for her. Things are changing.....the other 3 girls are connecting with the "popular girls" and my daughter is being left out. Her one friend has been considered her "best friend" all these years and she is really being nasty to my daughter. This girl is working really hard on being popular, and busydaughter is not popular. She is the same as she's always been. Whispering secrets, making plans that don't include busydaughter, private jokes. I relented 2 weeks ago and allowed busydaughter to get facebook. I thought that would help her stay in touch. I'm kicking myself now because that gives her the opportunity to read all the wallposts of others saying what they are doing and all their chat that busydaughter is not part of. Why did I agree to this???? Busydaughter seems to be handling it better than I am, but I imagine it hurts. It is so hard to stand by and watch.
I need help. It's eating me up. At times I want to talk to her "best friend's" mom about it, but realize that would be meddling. Other times I think that this too shall pass and they will be back when things blow up with "the popular girls". Some of the new behaviours of her friends (boyfriends, leaving the school to go out for lunch, etc.) are not things busydaughter even wants to do, so maybe she's bringing some of this on herself. She says she has "backup" friends, which I know is true. But the friends that she's always had are really letting her down now. It's just really sad.....and it's just beginning.
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Birthstone
Hi Busymom - it is the
Posted on: 06/03/2010 08:21
Hi Busymom - it is the beginning, and its ok, but hard. My group of friends changed entirely when I was 13, and I had a sense of being left out (I was) but also a sense of confidence that I wasn`t headed in the wrong direction.
What helped me was reconnecting with someone I`d not hung around with before who had the same interests as me - we were into Scouting, camping, etc, and had a blast while the popular ones were getting into drinking & partying & sex. It was clear to me that `popular`was not a necessarily good thing. Your girl is pretty smart (I know!) and she`s empathetic and will likely have a pretty mature idea of this in her head.
My suggestion would be to nurture her particular interests (even if they are new & not same as before), and foster any relationship that seems to be promising. Make sure she`s busy with activities that inspire her and that she`s got some growing responsibility and confidence whether its offering to help make supper at home, or picking up some groceries from the store for you, or assisting grandma with housecleaning. Maybe talk to her teachers about helping her find activities she`s confident about.
By the way - the girl I started hanging out with is my best friend ever and I cherish our shared memories from our teens. There were jerks around, but I didn`t care anymore, because I was confident & having fun.
Your girl is terrific, and she`ll be ok, but maybe not the popular one. Neither of you really want that.
OH - and keep an eye on facebook. I love how you have left notes on my daughter`s page, and she does too. It is a great tool for keeping tabs on them, and I am very restrained about making comments, saving my rare comments for harmless jokes. But then I can also say to her `get that comment off your page`or `Becca seems like she`s bugging you`, and we can chat about stuff.
Pinga
aaah, busymom. my best
Posted on: 06/03/2010 08:34
aaah, busymom.
my best friend changed when i was a bit older.....(probably would have been better had it changed at your busydaugher's age)
Sometimes, i think, it is equally as hard on the families...espeically if the kids are growing apart and the parents aren't.
I have to go, but, sounds like busydaughter is already being true to herself,...not being a follower, understanding what is right for her.
lastpointe
Ahhh girls! How do catty
Posted on: 06/03/2010 08:45
Ahhh girls!
How do catty girls grow up into supportive women. It boggles the mind.
I think grade 6 and 7 are the toughest years for girls. They mature differently and they suddenly become like barracuda; willing to kill and eat anything.
My daughter was tied to the hip with a girl and in grade 6/7 they suddenly no longer spoke. In fact they never again became good friends.
I have a few suggestions that worked for us.
Get your daughter doing something new that will appeal to her. Food bank, dance, drama club ( I think you live near Stratford?? and they have a great drama camp in the summer), camp far away in Algonquin. ( I like the Taylor Statten camps for the wilderness tripping) ... Take a road trip just you and her and leave the boys to manage on their own( we drove to Banff and did a three day ride in the mountains together.
help her see the benefits of other girls. Does she do sports? music? who else does???
Have her line up a summer job; mothers helper, take the life guard program, pick fruit....
Help her see that she can reach out to a girl she doesn't currently "play" with.
I sat down with my kids ( son had issues too) and discussed how it had been for me in school. For example, in y highschool there were 2000 kids in 5 years. 400 in grade 9 with me. approximately 25 I said hi to in the hall, about 6 i woudl feel comfortable sitting with in the cafeteria, about 4 that were good friends. 4 out of 400 is 1%. It makes you see that in a class of 10 -- 20 girls it an be hard to find the one or two close friends.
The best thing for any girl is a out of school group where she meets kids that don't go to her school. Dance, soccer, guides, .......... TO help them see that there is more to life than the "in crowd" Perhaps she will like the Springstein song about the highschool kids who never get beyond the accomplishments of highschool.
DaisyJane
My son is 13 and will be
Posted on: 06/03/2010 14:22
My son is 13 and will be heading into grade 9 in the fall. In this regard I thinks boys seem a bit lower maintenance. The shifting friendships seem to be okay and my son doesn't seem particularly rattled when friends come and go. As long as he has someone to hang out with.
I can remember exactly what your daughter is going through. I was best friends with another girl for years. In junior high she became very interested in clothes, makeup, boys, parties and so on. She was moving in the direction of the pretty, popular girls. Me. I was still a bookworm, geek who played soccer and ran track. I remember being a tad perplexed by the changing friendship but I also knew that I didn't want to do the things she was doing. Shopping and playing with makeup just didn't appeal to me. I was lucky. My friendships gravitated and I began spending more time with girls on my track team or girls I went to Girl Scouts (cadets) with. In the end I don't really recall being all that heartbroken. The transition to new friends seemed smooth because I was already connected with them....just began spending more time with them.
I realize it may be hard to watch. But if busygirl doesn't seem upset then I would take your cues from her. Perhaps encourage her to spend time with girls who may have been on the periphery of her social circle as these girls took centre stage. I also agree with lastpointe. Encourage her to explore and discover her interests and passions. She's sure to make some new friends who share her interests.
busymom
Thank you to all of you.
Posted on: 06/03/2010 14:29
Thank you to all of you. This has been helpful. She certainly does seem to know that boys, makeup and shopping are not what she wants to do. I offered to give her money to go out for lunch one day and she insisted "But I don't WANT to go out for lunch." Good enough.
I have to admit that her lack of interest in boys and makeup pleases me. She is really enjoying her soccer team this year, and only one of her teammates is in her class. From reading your responses, I see that as a positive thing....new friends to meet.
Beloved
Ahhh, busymom, the heartaches
Posted on: 06/03/2010 14:31
Ahhh, busymom, the heartaches of being a mom to a young teen daughter. I feel for you.
I remember going through the heartaches of my daughter who has some special needs and challenges not being involved, included, and accepted by the girls in her classes starting in about Grade 4 or 5. Prior to that she was still invited to all the birthday parties, etc. and then all of a sudden the invites came to a stop. She did have one friend from kindergarten that is still her friend today, and althought their friendship was good, the time spent together became more sporadic as her friend became involved in a lot of things that teen girls take part in.
I remember being friends with a girl from about Grade 5 - Grade 6. We didn't live in the same neighbourhood, but managed to spend time together at school, after school, and over the summer, doing all the best friend things. For a variety of reasons in the summer before Grade 7 we never got together as much as we used too, and when we started back at school in Grade 7 she had a different group of friends, and I was left out. I did have other and made other friends, but I was heartbroken. Even for us as adults when a good friend pulls away or moves away, it hurts.
I agree with those who posted encouraging you to encourae her to become involved in a variety of activites with the possibilities of meeting a variety of people.
There is only one thing I know for sure . . . this too shall pass
.
The Arrogant Man
Groups of friends change.
Posted on: 06/03/2010 19:44
Groups of friends change. When I went to junior high, very few of my friends from elementary school stayed my friends; I eventually got a new group. Same thing happened with high school, and it'll happen again as I go into university next year
Tabitha
I'd echo the suggestions of
Posted on: 06/08/2010 21:44
I'd echo the suggestions of activities/clubs etc. that appeal to your daughter.
She'll be doing things she likes and it helps weather the friendships coming and going.
Encourage the back up friends as well.
She'll be ok-she's being true to herself!
seeler
busymom - I have been
Posted on: 06/05/2010 07:25
busymom - I have been thinking about you and your daughter - she is a lovely girl. I remember her from Five Oaks and wishing that we had Granddaughter with us to meet her. I also remember you telling us about her compassion for her grandmother when her grandfather died. She is one great kid growing into one great teen, following in the footsteps of her mother.
I have thught about her situation. It didn't apply to me; I was so far out of the loop in middle school that it never occured to me to even wish I was part of it. But I think Seelergirl felt left out at that age. She was shy, quiet and unassuming at that time. I think middle school and high school were a difficult time for her. She did better socially and academically at a small liberal arts university.
But I'm afraid Granddaughter might be on the other side. She has always been in the thick of things, always had friends, and more invites to birthday parties and sleep overs than she could attend. There was a group of about five girls in our neighbourhood who chummed together all through elementary school. They always went to each others playdates and parties while others joined the group or dropped out off and on. But by the time they were in the first year at middle school, I noticed that one girl (Anna) was left out - not in the group anymore. She caught the bus at the same corner and Granddaughter and they chatted for a few minutes until the bus arrived. But when they got to school Granddaughter would join her other friends and Anna would be ignored - probably tagging along somewhat but not really included - and she was dropped from the 'A' list for parties.
Seelergirl and I both talked to Granddaughter about this and she said that they just didn't seem to have anything in common any more, that Anna wasn't interested in the things they were. She also mentioned that Anna was 'stuck-up' and 'stand-offish', and I told her that this might just be a perception they had, and that it might be a defense mechanism Anna was developing.
I don't think Granddaughter was intentionally cruel. She continued to talk to Anna on a one-to-one basis, and within a year she had moved away from this particular group from the neighbourhood and broadened her circle to others in the school, the cheerleading club, and her the kids in her dance group from all over the city. Meanwhile, it seems that Anna found a nitch for herself in the band, and in track and field, and is somewhat a loner who enjoys her own company much of the time.
Discovering who we are and what (and who) we like is part of growing up. How many people have stayed really close friends with their elementary school companions?
Diana
busymom wrote:I need help.
Posted on: 06/05/2010 19:18
Busymom, my daughter is in grade 10 and hangs out with the popular crowd. She is pretty and fashionable so on the outside she seems to fit in. However, she is more quiet and unassuming, as well as being less sophisticated and more academically-inclined than the other kids, so she seems to hover on the fringes of the group - sometimes being included and sometimes not. On days when the girls are good to her, she feels great; on the days when she feels overlooked and ignored, she is depressed.
Sometimes, driving home from work, I dread not knowing if I'm going to find her happily planning for the weekend, or in tears because she's been left out of the plans. What I want for her is to have good, consistent friends who are there for her all the time.....not kids who include her when they notice her and remember she's there. But things are what they are.
I found that this situation was starting to eat me up, too. But I've realized that my making myself sick over her social life was maybe the least helpful thing I could do for her. So, I've decided that I'm going to trust her to tough it out. I'm going to trust that she is a nice person - a good person - who is well-liked by peers from different groups around the school and neighbourhood, who has bright dreams for her future, and who has the strength and the character to deal with life's blows as well as its successes, and that she will ultimately be ok. I'm going to try to avoid becoming emotionally enmeshed in her experiences, and to just stay calm and centered on my trust in her character and resilience, so that I can be there when she needs me to help pick up the pieces, without falling to pieces myself. (At least I'm going to try!! Don't know if this helps at all..... It's hard being a mom, eh?)
LBmuskoka
For a variety of reasons I
Posted on: 06/06/2010 08:02
For a variety of reasons I hated both public and high school. They were not as many are wont to say "the best years of my life". Nothing made me happier than to walk through those doors and leave it all behind.
Incredibly, I was told years later by several people - including some of the "popular" girls - they thought I was "cool". Ah, so the trick is to be an introvert, be friendly with everybody - popular and not - and pray every day that you survive til graduation.
I thank my parents, my mother in particular, for my survival. Although my mother would be the first to tell you that I gave her many sleepless nights; they never let me forget that I was loved for who I am. They constantly encouraged my explorations into adulthood regardless of whether, in their hearts, they thought I was on the right path.
In short, they had, and gave, faith to let me discover myself. It was the best gift a parent could give.
As a parent I now realize it was the hardest of all gifts to give. I constantly struggle, even now that my baby is an "adult", with wanting to protect him from the cruelties of life (and his life has been cruel) but I know that I can not. He, too, needs to develop that sense of faith and trust in himself and the only way he can is by discovering his own path.
LB
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busymom
This thread is really helping
Posted on: 06/06/2010 09:17
This thread is really helping me. She is a good kid, and has good sense....she will get through this and it will be character building. So many of the things you have said in your posts have rung true for me....good days/bad days, how she is treated etc. Your advice and support has been helpful.
Yesterday we were at a community BBQ. Her "best friend" was there, and both girls ignored the other. I couldn't believe it. The same two that would have begged us to let them go together to this event a month ago, are now ignoring each other! I said hello to her friend and she said "hi", but that was it. No bubbly little girl who used to be. It really took me aback. My first thought was to phone her mom (who is also my friend) and talk to her, then I remembered this thread, took a deep breath and will stay out of it. Busydaughter did't appear to be as bothered by it as I was.
Hoo boy, it IS tough to be a mom.
lastpointe
That rings a bell. When my
Posted on: 06/06/2010 09:33
That rings a bell.
When my daughter and her "joined at the hip" friend broke up I was determined to "help"
One day at ballet rehearsal i cornered the two of them together and did the whole" you guys are too good friends to let something come between you" thing.
BOth gave me that "yes mom" smile and walked away. Waste of time, they never again became friends although over time they did speak occasionally when running into each other.
On the other hand, my daughter has had a wonderful friend, also from ballet not highschool, who has been a very close friend since she was 10. Through thick and thin, through the other girl heading to university first, they are still great friends.
Birthstone
(((Busymom))) I can relate to
Posted on: 06/06/2010 09:34
(((Busymom))) I can relate to that story. I had a friend who I spent weekend after weekend with, many sleepovers, many movies (we saw Back to the Future 4 x in a row together). And then we went a couple of months without seeing each other because I started high school, and we never hung out again. Weird.
Diana's story was good - even the popular kids are struggling to keep afloat but they have different pressures, with very severe consequences if they don't live up to their 'friends'.
Lb's story was great - it was a reminder of the resilience that develops good or bad. One thing I might add to her comment about sleepless nights - the quiet, nice ones sometimes find great ways to show off their ability to be anything but quiet or nice. For me, being a preacher's kid (PK), I found a boyfriend who was the dropout, smoking, partying type, and lived into that (though I never smoked or dropped out of school). The fact that he adored (and still adores me) was comforting to me (eventually it comforted my parents ;) ) and made it more fun to push the limits.
BUT despite what it may have looked like, I remained a smart, kind, caring person mostly and also loved the freedom of busting out of my sweet little image. My mom & dad could tell I was mostly ok.
BethanyK
Don't worry too much busymom
Posted on: 06/06/2010 11:57
Don't worry too much busymom as people have said it's normal and sounds like she's taking it fine.
When I was in grade 8 there was a group of five our six of us who spent all our time together. We did EVERYTHING with one another. But between grade 8 and grade 9 we just stopped hanging out. I don't know why really it just happened. I was still close with one of the girls who has been my best friend since grade one (and still is) but the others just drifted away. After that I didn't really have a group of friends until grade 12. I had people that I hung out with when at school and in classes but no one I really hung out with otherwise. But in grade12 I just found the group of friends I'm still close with. Then in University I found another great group of friends and on my exchange this year I found another amazing group of people.
Give it time busymom, she'll find where she belongs :-)
Beloved
Greetings! Another thought
Posted on: 06/06/2010 14:47
Greetings!
Another thought came to my mind as I was reading through the posts . . . while as parents we never want our children to experience loss and heartbreak in relationships, it remains a fact of life. It sounds like busy-daughter is coping fairly well, even though I'm sure she is grieving the loss of these friendships. Perhaps a good thing might be that as busy-daughter, and others, go through these experiences and make it through them okay, it will be something they will be able to look back upon as they go through other losses and break-ups in the days and years ahead and remember that they were okay . . . they were not destroyed . . . That they can look back on a past experience as they go through present experiences and remember that they were okay before and will be okay again. That their strength, determination, perseverance, faith in God/other, enabled them to live through and come out okay on the other side.
Hope, peace, joy, love . . .
footprints165
It's hard to watch kids go
Posted on: 06/06/2010 15:38
It's hard to watch kids go through the heartaches, but remember - we've all been 13, we've all had to do it, and we've all survived. It's not the end of the world, and we can't shelter our kids forever - she needs to learn how to cope with loss, rejection, betrayal and all that stuff because it is a part of life.
Whatever you do, don't get involved - that will just make busydaughter look even uncooler and any chance of being "in" will be lost. She'll manage, she'll cope, she'll make new friends.
Perhaps your focus should be on educating her about other stuff - drugs, sex, alcohol, peer pressure - so that when those friendship ties are broken and she sets out to make new friends, she knows how to watch out and choose wisely.
Diana
Birthstone wrote: . My mom &
Posted on: 06/06/2010 15:56
. My mom & dad could tell I was mostly ok.
"Mostly ok" - I like that. If they're mostly ok, and know they're loved through it all then they'll get through it.
(I wouldn't be a teenager again for a million dollars.....if I ever encounter the Fountain of Youth, I think I'll start again at 35!)
LBmuskoka
Amen Diana. I, too, believe
Posted on: 06/08/2010 05:59
Amen Diana. I, too, believe my life began at 30. I also think that it is beginning again now!
As I read the various posts about that crucial turning point in a teenager's life - leaving public school and entering high school - I was struck with the thought that perhaps it is at that crossroad each person begins to choose a path.
The child is no longer a child. They are about to become adults - even if us parents balk at the idea. They begin to assess what is valuable and not valuable in this journey; ideas, music, fashion, even people.
On the surface, the child appears to reject parental intervention because that would be a sign they are still a child and they desperately do not want to acknowledge that. Yet, I believe, the values instilled by the parents, and other influential adults, play a significant role in the choices they make. As Birthstone mentions, some of us may push the boundaries but there is always that bond that pulls us back.
I also believe that each of us will stand before many cross roads in our lives. It maybe age related - my looming 50th is making me increasingly reflective - or a life changing encounter of either loss or new experience. The road we choose will depend on where we came from and where we dream of going.
I think it is important to give that budding grown up child this knowledge particularly that there will be many opportunities, many paths to explore and that if one does find oneself on a rocky road there will be an exit somewhere along the way. They just need to keep their eyes and hearts open to find it.
LB
If I had influence with the good fairy who is supposed to preside over the christening of all children, I should ask that her gift to each child in the world be a sense of wonder so indestructible that it would last throughout life.
Rachel Carson