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Beer Summit

Anyone with an opinion on the beer summit at the White House today?  Is this a matter that should grab the President's time and attention or not?

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Re your:  "matter" - Are you

Re your:  "matter" - Are you talking about the guests or the beer?

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I think it was a photo op,

I think it was a photo op, and the press flurry was excessive (but funny).  But the three guys sitting down for a beer as a concilliatory gesture shows the pres to be a "regular guy" and sends a good message about settling differences.

 BTW, what an adorable kitty, Meredith.

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Hi BrettA - The matter I'm

Hi BrettA - The matter I'm referring to is the er "dispute" (for want of a better word) between the Policeman and the Harvard Prof.   Nothing wrong with the beer.

 

Ninjafaery - I'm glad you like the cat as I picked it with you and Redhead in mind

 

I found Obama's involvement in this dispute very interesting and likeNinja, believe it does send a positive message however someone near me commented that "Obama should attend to running the country" as if this was too trivial a matter for his time and attention.  I was wondering what others thought.

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Meredith wrote: Hi BrettA -

Meredith wrote:

Hi BrettA - The matter I'm referring to is the er "dispute" (for want of a better word) between the Policeman and the Harvard Prof.   Nothing wrong with the beer.

In that case, I'll say 'yes' given the relative isolation of this instance.  I think the odd everyday, down to earth, off-hours (normally non-Presidential or non Prime Ministerial, for that matter) encounter is a pretty good idea.  Really, I'd say the same for anyone from the CEO set to Popes or Archbishops to top scientists to the super rich.  One foot firmly on the ground every now and then won't do anything but good, IMHO.  (And unless you choose to serve nothing but foreign beer in a protectionist climate - but who'd do that? - good PR, too!)

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President Obama was right

President Obama was right when he said the police officer acted stupidly. The officer is very lucky he wasn't fired, or at least suspended, he should have been. Republicans tried to make a stink out of it for politics alone. I kind of wish Pres. Obama would tell those who didn't like the comment to take a flying leap, it really was a stupid move by that officer.

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Agreed.  I mean, if the

Agreed.  I mean, if the Professor was angry & calling the cop a 'racist', there was an irritating lack of authority (from cop's perspective) but still - he's in his own house, he's got documents to prove it.  Enough is enough.  Then it could simply have been an example of a system that is racist (?) that doesn't expect a black man to have a nice house, but this would have settled quietly.

The beer is cool ( I wondered what AA & other such groups thought about it - I'm remember some good discussions about churches including alcohol at their functions) but it was the right thing to do.  We didn't need a Summit, we didn't need the NAACP involved, but sitting down face to face, learning about each other - imagine the class lines, the race lines, the career lines that were bridged because of a couple of beers.  Very good, and I hope the Pres felt it was a relaxed afternoon too.  

 

Worth his time?  I bet it was, even if the Republicans won't let  him forget it.

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Watching the two best news

Watching the two best news shows the report and daily we now see a new problem - american beer verses non american - of course the regular news shows got it wrong - all the beer is owned by international beer companies.  

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I suppose the President could

I suppose the President could have gone and pretended to clear brush on a ranch that he rents but why not have a cool beer with a pair of hotheads?

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Panentheism wrote: Watching

Panentheism wrote:

Watching the two best news shows the report and daily we now see a new problem - american beer verses non american - of course the regular news shows got it wrong - all the beer is owned by international beer companies.  

Not a beer drinker myself but you reminded me of a Monty Python joke.

 

How is American beer like making love in a canoe?

 

They're both f*ck#ng close to water.

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How true jon71

How true jon71

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The big mistake was Obama's.

The big mistake was Obama's. He was unwise to call the cop stupid. (i'm not saying t he cop wasn't stupid, just that the president should not have said so.) American h istory is full of these trivial incidents that get remembered forever just as if they were important (think of Johnson picking up his dog by the ears.)

This was not an incident the president should have been involved in. It's smooth handling of a crisis that should not have happened in the first place.

Meanwhile, the bomb is ticking on his health plan and that, I'm afraid, is going to be a real bomb. Obama is within inches of being a smooth but irrelevant president.

graeme

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I appreciate hearing your

I appreciate hearing your point of view Graeme - I'm afraid the health care plan will bomb as well.  What the hell happened there???

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oh,I'm afraid that for all

oh,I'm afraid that for all the talk about democracy and the power of the people, the reality is that power in the US is in the hands of the very, very rich. A president really has very little room for manoeuvre. At the basest level, every member of congress depends on financial contribution far more than on the president for re election. The very wealthy do not want government intervention in anything (except of course bailing them out and giving them war contracts). A real health care plan would involve setting up a public system for everybody. There is no way the private sector is going to tolerate that, and every congressman who accepts their monty knows that.

Obama cannot introduce a real health plan. He would be humiliated with a rebellion in  his own party. What we are going to see is a band aid which leaves the private system in control, and in a position to go on holding up the whole country for ransom.

graeme

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Yeah my Obama as saviour

Yeah my Obama as saviour hopes are quickly being reduced to a quivering pile of disillusionment...

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I agree Graeme, the president

I agree Graeme, the president erred big time in answering the question at the press conference.

 

He should have deflected it off and stuck to questions on his health care plans.

 

I don't agree it was a race issue.

 

The police were called to a potential break in by a neighbour.  They repsonded.

they found a broken door and two men.

They asked for and got ID.

 

That should have been the end but instead the owner, apparently over tired and worn out, got lippy with the police.  The police , one black and one white, got agressive back.

 

Everyone knows that you don't get lippy with police or customs people.  The momentary satisfaction is not worth the grief they can cause you.

 

They shouldn't have arrested the owner, I mean how lippy can you actually be before they arrest you, but the owner knew he was pushing buttons. 

 

I would have said it was more of a class thing than a race thing.  Police don't like to be talked down to by the wealthy and so they over reacted.

 

If Obama, usually a media savvy guy, had kept his mouth shut it would have just passed.

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I think you're right -

I think you're right - particularly about the class matter angle - which has been, curiously, overlooked.

graeme

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  "The police were called to

 

"The police were called to a potential break in by a neighbour.  They repsonded.

they found a broken door and two men.

They asked for and got ID."

 

Yews it was a race issue - a nieghbour phoned about two black men - note the issue is beginning - he handed out his id and then the police reacted more, as did the man in question.  If you have a history of being stopped because you are black then the overreaction is understandable.

 

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Actually the 911 call says

Actually the 911 call says two men breaking in.  When asked she says it loks like one has a suuitcase.  When asked about race she says she thinks one might be latino but she isn't sure.  She doesn't say a black man.

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