Well? When did you last hear about Haiti in the news? How many houses have been built? How many people are still camping out? How is food and medical help coming along? Why do we need so many troops there? Aristide kept peace in the country with no army at all. Why is Canada there?
for openers, almost nothing has happened in Haiti. It was obvious the day of the tragedy that no real help was going there. The US doesn't want to improve Haiti. It's effectively controlled the place for almost a century while it slipped deeper into poverty and ignorance and ill health. That's what I think is called a hint.
International business wants Haiti to be poor and ignorant. That's why the US expelled President Aristide, the demcratically elected leader. He was going to waste aid money on public schools and hospitals instead of using it as the American supported dictators did - enriching themselves and their circle while maintaining an american equipped army to terrorize the people into accepting their hopelessness.
Harper tells us we're there to keep the peace. Like hell we are. We are part of an occupation army that's there to protect the big landowners and factory owners so they can continue to hire labout at two or three dollars a day - with no health, no education, no pensions, no nothing.
The occupation army will also police the "democratic" election - with the only person Haitians want, Aristide, in exile, and and significant supporters of him in jail.
You think Canada is admired all around the world? Dream on. We used to be. But that ended long ago.
Then take a look at Pakistan. Compare the suffering to the aid. Nobody is interested in rebuilding Pakistan.
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waterfall
Some of what you say, I agree
Posted on: 09/21/2010 12:27
Some of what you say, I agree with BUT Graeme, would the gov"t and big businesses that rely on Haiti's third world contribution to stock our Walmarts, dollar stores and clothe our own backs, have a reason to protect thier bottom line if we were not such a consumer driven society that would rather recieve more bang for our buck while continuing to recieve high wages?
It's idealistic to ask our society to refuse to buy anything that is produced overseas. Sounds good, but it probably won't happen. It takes a revolutionist with profound influence to enact a more desirable outcome. So far, no takers. Perhaps more focus should be geared toward the tourism industry, afterall Dubai's obscenity sprang from nowhere as did Las Vegas. But then I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
graeme
well, I quite agree with you.
Posted on: 09/21/2010 14:28
well, I quite agree with you. But I don't think there is the slightest chance of the US letting Haitians in on any sort of prosperity, holiday or otherwise. They like it poor. That's why it's going to stay that way.
Nor will there be a revolution. That's why NATO has so many "peacekeepers" down there.
It's the hypocrisy of our government in dealing with this., the collusion of the news media - and the Canadian people not giving much of a damn for anything.
There's a price to pay for that behaviour. And I regret that our children will have to pay it.
waterfall
God help them, they have
Posted on: 09/21/2010 15:22
God help them, they have Anderson Cooper deciphering and asking what they need, while being filtered through an Americans brain.
InannaWhimsey
Last hearing aboot
Posted on: 09/27/2010 04:59
Last hearing aboot Haiti.
(are we similar to this tribe?)
(how similar are we to the European tribe?)
(an interesting framework)
stardust
graeme Everything is
Posted on: 09/29/2010 20:02
graeme
Everything is wonderful in Haiti, champagne and caviar. Need you ask!
News today Sept.29/10 from the Toronto Star:
PORT-AU-PRINCE—Nearly nine months after the earthquake, more than a million Haitians still live on the streets between piles of rubble. One reason: Not a cent of the $1.15 billion the U.S. promised for rebuilding has arrived.
Meanwhile, deaths in Port-au-Prince are mounting, as quake survivors scramble to live without shelter or food.
Nor is Haiti getting much from other donors. Some 50 other nations and organizations pledged a total of $8.75 billion for reconstruction, but just $686 million of that has reached Haiti so far — less than 15 per cent of the total promised for 2010-11.
The lack of funds has all but halted reconstruction work by CHF International, the primary U.S.-funded group assigned to remove rubble and build temporary shelters. Just 2 per cent of rubble has been cleared and 13,000 temporary shelters have been built — less than 10 per cent of the number planned.
graeme
It was predictable. The US
Posted on: 09/29/2010 21:58
It was predictable. The US overthrew an exiled an elected leader because he was going to waste money on education and hospitals. The US wants Haiti poor and ignorant. Our "peacekeepers" are really an occupation army. They aren't there to protect anybody except the rich and their factories and farm estates - and to keep the rest of the population down.
It's going to get much worse.
graeme
That last post was more
Posted on: 10/23/2010 14:39
That last post was more prophetic than I would wish it to be. There are now over 200 dead; and it looks as though it will go a lot higher.
Tabitha
and cholera has broken out
Posted on: 10/23/2010 16:13
and cholera has broken out
graeme
Oh, I was just counting the
Posted on: 10/23/2010 17:06
Oh, I was just counting the last few days. It would be much, much higher in the hunger and insanitary conditions of the last many months.
Pinga
A month ago, it was
Posted on: 11/24/2010 09:22
A month ago, it was known...and yet...the numbers keep increasing, and the bodies keep piling up.
LIstening to CBC news...and the issues ...
waterfall
Who: Treatment of
Posted on: 11/24/2010 09:41
Who:
Treatment of cholera
Cholera is an easily treatable disease. The prompt administration of oral rehydration salts to replace lost fluids nearly always results in cure. In especially severe cases, intravenous administration of fluids may be required to save the patient's life.
Left untreated, however, cholera can kill quickly following the onset of symptoms. This can happen at a speed that has incited fear and paralyzed commerce throughout history. Although such reactions are no longer justified, cholera continues to be perceived by many as a deadly and highly contagious threat that can spread through international trade in food.
Cholera is an acute enteric infection caused by the ingestion of bacterium Vibrio cholerae present in faecally contaminated water or food. Primarily linked to insufficient access to safe water and proper sanitation, its impact can be even more dramatic in areas where basic environmental infrastructures are disrupted or have been destroyed.
Countries facing complex emergencies are particularly vulnerable to cholera outbreaks. Massive displacement of internally displaced people (IDPs) or refugees to overcrowded settings, where the provision of potable water and sanitation is challenging, constitutes also a risk factor.
In consequence, it is of paramount importance to be able to rely on accurate surveillance data to monitor the evolution of the outbreak and to put in place adequate intervention measures. Coordination of the different sectors involved is essential, and WHO calls for the cooperation of all to limit the effect of cholera on populations.
:: Prevention and control of cholera outbreaks: WHO policy and recommendations
Pinga
Waterfall, part of what cbc
Posted on: 11/24/2010 09:42
Waterfall, part of what cbc news stated was that people were not coming to the clinics or centres. They highlighted an issue of lack of education for the remote areas...and people being afraid to come in, for fear they would catch it from the centres.....and a lack of funds/organization/ structure to get the appropriate information out to the people in a way that would be trusted.
waterfall
Pinga wrote: Waterfall, part
Posted on: 11/24/2010 09:53
Waterfall, part of what cbc news stated was that people were not coming to the clinics or centres. They highlighted an issue of lack of education for the remote areas...and people being afraid to come in, for fear they would catch it from the centres.....and a lack of funds/organization/ structure to get the appropriate information out to the people in a way that would be trusted.
I know, it's a shame. Just wondering why more bottled water hadn't been made available with all the donations. I only posted the Who facts to show how virulent but treatable and preventable this is.
Pinga
appreciate it...gotta run...
Posted on: 11/24/2010 10:00
appreciate it...gotta run...
SG
An ex gf snuck with her
Posted on: 11/24/2010 12:28
An ex gf snuck with her family from Haiti to the Dominican Republic years ago. She told of her family crossing the Massacre River (what a name) and bribing border patrol. For what? To be undocumented workers, in near slave conditions, in banana fields and on sugar plantations. She talked about staying transient because plantation owners worked with immigration and deported workers enmasse before payday.
She eventually came to the US with help of Jesuits, went to school and became a bank manager.
She has been in Haiti since soon after the earthquake. I knew she would go. I still wondered why, though I knew why. It is her heart.
There is no trust of officials, Haitian, Dominican, anyone's... There has been bad government. There has been Band-Aid international stuff, mostly seen as PR by Haitians. There has been no sanitation let alone no infastructure.
We do not get that they do not trust doctors (BTW many cultures do not). They do not trust many foreigners and especially white people, who can blame them. They think the cholera may have been brought there to kill them or they want to lay blame (NY blamed Canada years ago) They sometimes do not understand the doctors (Creole is not a language just anyone knows). They honestly do not trust doctors not to kill them. The treatment centres are not wanted nearby because they fear it spreading out of the centre. They cannot get there in time when they need them....
People do not fear watery diarrhea in Haiti, it is the norm. Prior to this, 5-16% of children in Haiti who die, die of diarrhea according to the CDC. The best way to think of it is that is is like someone with IBS or who is lactose intolerant etc, they do not get concerned with diarrhea, when or if they do, it is too late.
The world made empty promises. When it spreads out of Haiti, into the Dominican and effects travellers, when it spread to other nations... we will see something far different. This is after all Haiti, and stereoptypes of Haitians have been horrible for centuries.
EasternOrthodox
http://online.wsj.com/article
Posted on: 11/26/2010 23:48
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704496104575627061101867870.htm
lhave read a very discouraging article about Haiti in the Wall Street Journal. Since the WSJ commentary section is hardly radical left-wing, when even they are complaining it is time to sit up and take notice. Basically the author says the US and UN are ignorning the corrupt government.
"Who cares about Haiti?" by Mary Anastasia O'Grady
Mely
Can't read the WSJ article
Posted on: 11/26/2010 23:57
Can't read the WSJ article without subcribing
Mely
Haiti is very corrupt,
Posted on: 11/27/2010 00:12
Haiti is very corrupt, according to Transparency International, though it is not quite at the bottom of the list.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results
It seems as though corruption is one of the most destructive forces in the world. But how do you get rid of it?
EasternOrthodox
From her article: Here's
Posted on: 11/27/2010 01:07
From her article:
Here's the $64 million question: Is Haiti's seemingly intractable misery the result of a society and culture that is incapable of organizing itself to create civil order and a viable economy? Or is it the consequence of ruling kleptocrats—abetted or at least tolerated by influential foreigners—treating every economic transaction in the country as an opportunity for personal enrichment?
Evidence abounds that it is the latter. So why have the U.S. and the U.N. refused to take even small steps toward shutting down an official corruption racket that pushes millions of helpless people into lives of desperation? Instead they've put Bill Clinton—whose political family famously went into business with the notoriously corrupt former President Jean Bertrand Aristide—in charge of rebuilding the country with billions in foreign aid.
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A cholera victim in a Doctors Without Borders treatment center near the slum neighborhood of Cite Soleil, Nov. 19.
Development takes generations, and nation building by outsiders is a fool's game. But often there is a simple change that can yield fast returns. One no-brainer target in Haiti is the port at Port-au-Prince, where the bulk of imports must enter the country, but where Haiti's legendary mafia will only release containers after sizable bribes are collected.
A report this year by the Rand Corporation describes the port's importance this way: "The costs of shipping through Haiti's ports have imposed a major burden on Haitian consumers and businesses. Because imports play such an important role in consumption, investment, and business operations, the cost of imports is a key determinant of living standards and economic growth." And yet, Rand says, "importing a container of goods is 35 percent more expensive in Haiti than the average for developed OECD countries."
Haitian officials like to blame inefficiency at the capital's port on a lack of modern infrastructure. But Haitians know that's only part of the story. Writing for the online magazine The Root in October, Haitian-born business consultant Yves Savain explained that pulling a container out of the port in the capital "takes walking the documents from office to office to secure an unspecified number of signatures." The full cost, which he said includes "legitimate and illicit duties," constitutes "a substantial and arbitrary financial drain on all sectors of the national economy."
Mr. Savain was being diplomatic. On a visit to the Journal offices last week, former Haitian ambassador to the U.S., Raymond Joseph—who resigned in August—was more direct. "The corruption situation in the ports was one of the major reasons I decided I could no longer defend this government," he says.
In the aftermath of the earthquake, Mr. Joseph says, "I had so many [nongovernmental organizations] calling me and saying 'ambassador, could you help me get our things out of the port?' They kept telling me [port officials] want so many thousands of dollars to get the things out." Mr. Joseph says that by calling the minister of finance he could sometimes get the goods out but that he wasn't always successful.
Another example: A Nov. 14 CBS "60 Minutes" report featured the case of six containers destined for an NGO housing project that had been "stuck" in the port for months. No one could figure out why the goods couldn't be released, but the NGO was still forced to pay $6,000 to the Haitian government for an "imposed storage fee."
graeme
i refuse to reada your
Posted on: 11/27/2010 10:49
i refuse to reada your anti-American tirade. As Mely will tell you, Haiti corruption is caused by Islamic extremist fascists who have really been in control of that country for the last century.
I'll find a source. Give me time.
EasternOrthodox
I would appreciate a serious
Posted on: 11/28/2010 22:16
I would appreciate a serious response instead of this sarcastic rubbish.
InannaWhimsey
Interesting CBS article on
Posted on: 11/28/2010 23:04
Interesting CBS article on the possibility that the Nepalese UN contingent introduced cholera to Haiti.
Jim Kenney
Driving home from church this
Posted on: 11/29/2010 01:28
Driving home from church this afternoon heard that voters had been waiting at a polling station for 4 hours without any ballots being provided, with a claim of lack of security even though RCMP officers and others were at the polling station. Sounds like a government backed by the UN under pressure from the US is being protected from the people by our UN forces. I wonder what our federal government knows about this?
graeme
Our federal government knew
Posted on: 11/29/2010 09:00
Our federal government knew all about his from the start.
Look, here are basic we don't have to guess about. The US has helped to vicitimize Haii for close to 200 years. It has occupied Haiti with American trroops who government that country. They have supported a series of dictatorsupis. They have overthrow the only popular and democratic leader Haiti has even had. It then sationed "peacekeepers" there - to guard the factories and plantations of the rich. It has left Haiti in rubble and filth ever since the earthquake.
Now, the US is using the "peacekeepers" to fix the election.
At some [pomyg, on has to say, "Gee. Maybe there's some connection beween the US and Haiti's miserable state over the years."
eastern orhtodox, you wouldn't know a serious reponse if It came with a label on it. Now - your turn. What do you choose as the villain in the piece - Americans or Moslems?
Do you have a more plausible explanation for Haiti's condition?
graeme
I would guess you are what
Posted on: 11/29/2010 09:02
I would guess you are what used to be called syrian orthodox, and is now called lebanese orthodox. Part of the Montreal group? Knew them well.
EasternOrthodox
graeme wrote: I would guess
Posted on: 11/29/2010 16:21
I would guess you are what used to be called syrian orthodox, and is now called lebanese orthodox. Part of the Montreal group? Knew them well.
No I was not born in the Orthodox community. My background is actually UC. But I converted to eastern orthodoxy five years ago. I attend a church affiliated with Orthodox Church in America--it is a re-starting of the old Russion Mission to North America.
And I agree you re: US & Haiti. Haiti has been treated badly for a long time.
And please note that even though I converted to Orthodoxy I do not hesitate to condemn strongly cases where it has mis-behaved (Serbia being the most prominent recent example).
Mely
graeme wrote: Now, the US is
Posted on: 11/29/2010 18:41
Now, the US is using the "peacekeepers" to fix the election.
At some [pomyg, on has to say, "Gee. Maybe there's some connection beween the US and Haiti's miserable state over the years."
eastern orhtodox, you wouldn't know a serious reponse if It came with a label on it. Now - your turn. What do you choose as the villain in the piece - Americans or Moslems?
Do you have a more plausible explanation for Haiti's condition?
I'm sure the Haitians are quite capable of fixing their own elections without any help from the Americans. I don't know why Haiti is such a basket case, but I'd guess it has something to do with its French colonial roots. For some reason places colonized by France have tended to turned out rather badly in comparison to similar places colonized by Britian. Places colonized by Spain and Portugal haven't faired so well either.
But really is Haiti much worse off then a lot of countries in Africa? Maybe the low-trust , superstitious tribal culture contributes to its dysfunction.
SG
Mely, do you not understand
Posted on: 11/29/2010 19:30
Mely, do you not understand the way your words sound?
It sounds like you think former British colonies are superior to French and Spanish and Portugese former colonies. Do you? Really? Why?
Ever think it might be who went where and why? And not about who people were when they left or who people were where they went? Ever think it might be more about slavery than about French colonialism? Ever think it might be about the Portugese, the British, the French, Spanish, Dutch (in order of shipping scale of slaves) keeping the slave trade going?
Is Haiti's plight because of being a former French colony?
Acadia and Quebec? Lousiana, Illinois, Arkansas? St Lucia, Martinique, French Guiana, Saint Kitts... or did you just mean Chad, Congo, Somalia, Haiti ?
You said:
"But really is Haiti much worse off then a lot of countries in Africa? Maybe the low-trust , superstitious tribal culture contributes to its dysfunction.
Yeah, sure blame the low-trust, superstitious tribal culture instead of seeing low trust because of 9-12 million people taken against their will and shipped to the New World. Four continents, four centuries and millions upon millions of people and what that might do to a people's function.
Mely
No doubt the history of
Posted on: 11/29/2010 20:03
No doubt the history of slavery contributes to Haitis troubles. French colonialism has a lot to do with slavery. I never said slavery wasn't a factor.
But there was slavery all over the Carribean. The question is why is Haiti worse off then, say, Jamiaca or the Dominican Republic, or the Bahamas.
By the way, Lousiana is the most corrupt state in the American Union, and Quebec is the most corrupt province in Canada. I think it is something to do with the role the Catholic church played. I didn't know Illinois used to be French. That would explain a lot. The last three governors of Illinois are in jail.
I don't really care how my words sound. I'm not writing poetry here. You can't begin to fix a problem until you understand it. You can't understand it if you are afraid to talk frankly about it. I am really really tired of political correctness. It is a form of censorship and it hurts us all in the end. If my post upset you please do not read them.
graeme
mely, It's fairly obvious
Posted on: 11/29/2010 23:14
mely, It's fairly obvious that you don't care how your words sound. Indeed, that sort of bigotry and, really, racism runs through most of your posts. BTW, Haiti has not been a French colony since for over a hundred and fifty years. It has been an American colony for almost a hundred.
You spill out bigotry all over the place. You say you're sure the Haitians (presumably unlike Americans) can fix an election without help. Have you really never heard of the American supported duvalier regime.
Yes, there are countries poorer than Haiti. Nobody said there weren't. It's the poorest in the Western Hemisphere. (If you're looking at the north pole, that's to the left of the Eastern Hemisphere.)
EO - I regret you are not one of the old Syrian community I knew so well. Thinking so took me happily back to childhood. My father-in-law is a retired Lutheran clergyman, but often prefers to attend an eastern orthodox church. In my childhood in Montreal, the Syrian Orthodox church was the anchor of a large Syrian community.
EasternOrthodox
graeme wrote: EO - I regret
Posted on: 11/30/2010 12:22
EO - I regret you are not one of the old Syrian community I knew so well. Thinking so took me happily back to childhood. My father-in-law is a retired Lutheran clergyman, but often prefers to attend an eastern orthodox church. In my childhood in Montreal, the Syrian Orthodox church was the anchor of a large Syrian community.
Sorry to disappoint you with my boring ethnic background
Faerenach
Hey all, Just thought I'd
Posted on: 11/30/2010 12:37
Hey all,
Just thought I'd let you know that the UCC has been working hard to help Haiti where they themselves know they need it. They've identified to us that the major focus for rebuilding should be schools. And this comes straight from our Caribbean/Latin American (CLA) staff that was visiting recently. He also told us that while we hear the doom and gloom sides of things, like not much has been accomplished, he assured us that the organizations there are giving their all and working hard to accomplish many things. He also mentioned that the atmosphere is not despair there, but productive and enthusiastic to get things done. It's just that it's going to take a while to fix everything.
If you're interested in more info or how you can help, just WonderMail me and I'll find out the best person to talk to here. (Here being UCC Head Office, JGER Unit.)
graeme
EO - well, take comfort in
Posted on: 11/30/2010 16:08
EO - well, take comfort in having an ineresting religious background. (most of us have to suffer boring ethnic ones.)
I'm glad to hear the UC group was pleased at how hard everyone is working. That does not explain why, after all these months, it still looks like the day after the earthquake. Nor does it explain why no housing has yet been built, and a cholera epidemic is running wild.
Jim Kenney
Stardust explained why
Posted on: 12/01/2010 17:42
Stardust explained why nothing has been done with the rubble -- the Americans have not given any money yet for this work, even though they promised it. The American words and actions are highly inconsistent, as usual.
Mely
Why do you think the
Posted on: 12/01/2010 20:19
Why do you think the Americans are resonsible for cleaning up the rubble? You might as well say, "the Chinese haven't given the money for this work yet". The Chinese are probably in better shape financially than the Americans.
graeme
As a matter of fact, the
Posted on: 12/01/2010 22:11
As a matter of fact, the first country to offer help was Iceland. China was the second. Then the US. But most of what it sent was soldiers.
And it was the US that promised billions of dollars, and has not yet delivered a cent.
Of course. most of the people of Haiti are black. So I guess it's their fault.
InannaWhimsey
Haiti aid in easy-to-read
Posted on: 12/01/2010 22:21
Haiti aid in easy-to-read format.
(YAY GUYANA!)
Mely
graeme wrote: As a matter of
Posted on: 12/01/2010 23:07
As a matter of fact, the first country to offer help was Iceland. China was the second. Then the US. But most of what it sent was soldiers.
And it was the US that promised billions of dollars, and has not yet delivered a cent.
Of course. most of the people of Haiti are black. So I guess it's their fault.
Why don't you watch CNN sometimes instead of Al jazeera. Then you would have seen the huge hospital ship the Americans sent.
graeme
look mely. Why is there
Posted on: 12/02/2010 11:11
look mely. Why is there cholera there in the first pace.? Bad sanitation. Why is there bad sanitation? Because in a century of controlling H\aiti, the US forbade it to instal decent housing or sanitation. Most houses, even in the cities, had no running water, no toilets of any sort. The earthquake didn't do that. The US did it.
They did because it dept taxes down. And the businessmen who took over the farms and who built factores in Haiti (athat paed three dollars a day) didn't want to pay taxes. That's wlo why only 10% of Haitian children had public schooling. The rest were child labour on factros farms and town factories.
When Haiti did, at last elect a president, they chose a president who was at last going to built schools and hosptials and serweres, and pipr clean water. The US army promptly expeclled him ad took over.
Watch CNN all you like. I've done television many times. I know how much they lie.
Mely
I'm not buying any of it,
Posted on: 12/02/2010 13:23
I'm not buying any of it, graeme. The Americans are not responsible for Haitis dysfunction. You are obsessed with hating Americans.
alta
Are all Haitians descendants
Posted on: 12/02/2010 18:44
Are all Haitians descendants of slaves? Is there an indigenous population?
graeme
The indigenous population
Posted on: 12/02/2010 18:57
The indigenous population made up the original slave force. But the harshyness of slavery killed them off at an early age. Natives people of, I think, all the caribbean islands (the Cartibs) are extinct. That's why the French, Spanish and Portugese turned to Africa for slaves.
New France went through ths same cycle. Native slaves just didn't live long enough. So, New France and most of the English colonies turned to Africans. But the conditions a slavery were so brutal (including in the US) that few slaves would live to see forty.
THe Haitians today are of African origins. Some have a white ancestor or two - and these dominate the ranks of elite who supported American appointed dictators. The main effort of the last few years, after the US exiled the elected president, has been to re-establish that old elite in its positions of power.
Mely
Small pox and other illness
Posted on: 12/02/2010 23:50
Small pox and other illness that the natives had no resistance to also contributed to killing them off.
InannaWhimsey
I didn't know where to put
Posted on: 12/03/2010 05:03
I didn't know where to put this one, but, here goes, for y'all perusal and interaction.
Here, you can fiddle around with the software that Hans uses in the above presentations.
What's going on, here?
graeme
Yes. Some of our native
Posted on: 12/03/2010 15:41
Yes. Some of our native peoples died of smallpox. Most were either murdered or worked to death. By our ancestors. Very few, if any, of the Caribs died of small pox. They were enflaved, then killed.
graeme
fascinating media techniques.
Posted on: 12/03/2010 19:58
fascinating media techniques. Like most statisticians, he is a little too quick to draw conclusions about the numbers. But the speed of devlivery, and movement on the chart is superb for the medium.
InannaWhimsey
graeme, like most humans,
Posted on: 12/03/2010 20:47
graeme,
like most humans, we are too quick to attribute 'this is what it means' to events -- I am thinking in this case of a question that was asked of various 'world leaders' what the significance of WWII was...the Buddhist, of course, answered 'it is too soon to tell' :3
I was interested to see where Haiti fits...but alas, this computer is too 'old' to be able to use the software.
It'd be interesting, to me, to take, like, a "Marxist" and a "Free Market Capitalist" and show them the numbers...and see the differing interpretations they come up with :3
I included at the end a link to a CNN article...what do you think aboot it?
graeme
I'll have to go back, and
Posted on: 12/03/2010 22:50
I'll have to go back, and take a look. I didn't notice the link.
I've been through the statistical argument with both marxists and free market capitalists. Don't ever with it on yourself.
graeme
CNN is being 'kind". Much of
Posted on: 12/03/2010 22:56
CNN is being 'kind". Much of the aid that has been sent has been in the form of soldiers to protect a regime more submissive to the US. Of, the rest, a good deal has gone into "consultancy" fees - which are even less edible than soldiers are.
Jim Kenney
An interesting presentation:
Posted on: 12/03/2010 23:33
An interesting presentation: what was missing was the distribution of income within each country, and linking this to economic development. In the 60s, New Brunswick was one of the poorest provinces in Canada, and it had the highest number of millionaires per capita. When wealth is too concentrated in the hands of a few, I believe the whole is the poorer for that concentration.
So, in Haiti, how is income distributed between the top 1% and the others? I suspect, without having done the research, betraying my prejudices, that the top 1% of people in Haiti have a higher percentage of the wealth of the nation than in Canada, or Jamaica, or Bermuda, or the Dominican Republic.