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True Patriot Love... in Whose Command?

The Conservative government is calling for a review of the lyrics of O Canada. Seems they want to mull over using more inclusive language.

 

Which of the following do you like best (or do you have an alternate suggestion of your own?)

 

  • True patriot love in all our sons command.
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  • True patriot love thou dost in us command.
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  • True patriot love you do in us command.
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  • True patriot love in all of us command.
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our home and, for some of us

our home and, for some of us and in varying degrees, our native land, True patriot (whatever that means, and it will, of course vary from person to person according to party and philosophy) in all our people be (drop you command since it suggests a god).

 

I think with a momdified tune to go with this, it could be a real toe tapper.

graeme

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 Well let's see ...   If

 Well let's see ...

 

If Canada, our home and native land, is going to command  some sentiment, say, "true patriot love", in us (as opposed to just our sons),  I would suggest that such command or swelling of emotion would arise in the "heart".  Consequently, I would suggest that the anthem lyrics be altered to say ...

 

"O Canada!  Our home and native land, true patriot love in all our hearts command."

 

This scans to the music and would not require a change.  

 

Some might object that the word heart appears in the next line too and that if we were in grade 5 our teacher might criticize our writing for repetition but we have grown past such quibbles and if the Olympics are any indication, "heart" is something Canadian's have in plenty (and so ought their anthem).

 

However, just so nobody could say I didn't consider wording to avoid the repetition, I thought of having some other body part "glow", "grow" or "swell" but was unsuccessful.  Perhaps the fill in the blanks template below might be helpful in helping others to nail down some better wording ...

 

O Canada! Our home and native land

True patriot love in all our hearts command 

With glowing blank's we see thee rise ...

 

naaaah! ... or 

 

 

O Canada! Our home and native land

True patriot love in all our hearts command 

With growing blank's we see thee rise ...

 

naaaah! ... or

 

 

O Canada! Our home and native land

True patriot love in all our hearts command 

With swelling blank's we see thee rise ...

 

See what I mean?  The second line is easy.  Its the following line that puts up the ... uh ... stiffest ... um ... resistance.

 

However, on second thought if we were, with hearts glowing, contemplating the rise of the true north strong and free, what would it be that our hearts were glowing with but a swelling  pride?

 

Thus, I would suggest ...

 

O Canada! Our home and native land

True patriot love in all our hearts command 

With growing pride we see thee rise

The true north strong and free.

 

For those of you who don't like to have any more change than absolutely necessary we might also view the rise of the true north strong and free with "glowing pride".

 

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as an alternative we could

as an alternative we could all learn the French lyrics.

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So, the Conservative

So, the Conservative government blocks the media, muzzles MP's, squashes environmentalism, skewers Rights & Democracy (did it again last night folks!!!), lies about finances, raises despicable antisemitism claims against Liberals and Kairos, acts as if intellectual use of brains is silly (sorry for vagueness - I'm referring to the petition by Cdn professors around the country against the 2nd Prorogument)  and on and on and on.

Oh nice!  They're going to rewrite the national anthem.  How pleasant.

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Birthstone wrote: So, the

Birthstone wrote:

So, the Conservative government blocks the media, muzzles MP's, squashes environmentalism, skewers Rights & Democracy (did it again last night folks!!!), lies about finances, raises despicable antisemitism claims against Liberals and Kairos, acts as if intellectual use of brains is silly (sorry for vagueness - I'm referring to the petition by Cdn professors around the country against the 2nd Prorogument)  and on and on and on.

Oh nice!  They're going to rewrite the national anthem.  How pleasant.

 

Well, to be fair, they are not rewriting it, they are just changing a word or two.

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 The one that kills me (and

 The one that kills me (and strikes me as the most irrelevant and yet most calculated) is the proposed monument to "the victims of Communism".

 

(For any of you out there who are under 25 and want to know what a Communist is, please go ask your father.)

 

Maybe we could erect such a monument side by side with a monument to the victims of laissez faire capitalism.

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 By the way ... Harper

 By the way ... Harper probably doesn't realize that Communism was never illegal in this country and was up until recently (heck it might still be) an officially recognized (by the Canadian government) Canadian political party.  Since the Communist Party never even came close to governing in this country the set of people who are "victims of Communism" must needs be very small and certainly smaller than the set of persons who are "victims of western Reform populism" or the set of persons who are "victims of the Conservative Party of Canada" or "victims of neo-liberalism".

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Further ... on the anthem

Further ... on the anthem thing.  You can sing it the way you want to right now.  You don't need Mr. Harper's blessing.  Make the government catch up with you, not vice versa.  I've been replacing "sons" with "hearts" in the anthem for quite some time now.  Nobody has come to arrest me yet.  Who knows maybe your version will catch on in the popular imagination?  In Russia the bureaucrats changed the name of Petersburg to Leningrad but everybody kept calling it Petersburg anyway.  Now it is Petersburg again.  Maybe your O Canada will be the same.  If you wait for the Conservative government to strike a blow for gender neutrality it will never happen.  Do not be part of the lumpen proletariat.  Arise, I tell you.  Arise!

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*derail...oops* (qwerty - one

*derail...oops* (qwerty - one can still vote for communist candidates here and there.  It isn't illegal.  Communist dictatorships might be.  But apparently Conservative-Capitalist-at-all-costs dictatorships aren't.  I missed the bit about the monument though...  **end of derail

I think this whole issue is part of Harper's smoke & mirrors game.

 

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The leader of the Communist

The leader of the Communist Party in Saskatchewan lived across the street from me years ago. Nice man; nice family; good neighbours and no politics involved.

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 True patriot love In all our

 True patriot love

In all our hearts command.

 

- No change of verb tenses.

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  Or Ton front est cent De

  Or

Ton front est cent

De fleurons glorieux.

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  I sing: "in all our hearts

 

I sing:

"in all our hearts command"

 

... it seems more accurate

and feels more sincere to me.

 

"Sons" makes me cringe.

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I could agree with

I could agree with substituting "hearts" for "sons".  I disagree with changing "with glowing hearts" in the next line though.

I somehow feel that's a different sentiment than pride.  Or maybe "pride" feels American to me.....

 

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I like the "in all our hearts

I like the "in all our hearts command" - except for the fact that "heart" is repeated immediately following.  And if I can only have one "heart" I prefer it in the next line.

 

So without using "heart" perhaps -

 

True patriot love, within us all command.

True patriot love, in all our ways command.

True patriot love, in all our lives command.

True patriot love, in everyone command.

True patriot love, in all persons command.

True patriot love, deep in us command.

 

Well, I could go on and on . . .

 

 

Or, how about

 

True patriot love, in all our daughters command. (tee hee)

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Hi Qwerty,   qwerty wrote: I

Hi Qwerty,

 

qwerty wrote:

I would suggest that such command or swelling of emotion would arise in the "heart".

 

Heartist.

 

Everyone knows sentiment properly rises from the spleen.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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If you've got a glowing

If you've got a glowing spleen, then you have bigger problems than an old song.

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revjohn wrote:Everyone knows

revjohn wrote:
Everyone knows sentiment properly rises from the spleen.

 

Judging from the sermons I've heard, I'd say that was certainly the case with United Church ministers.  (sorry, just kidding, couldn't resist).

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Hi Witch,   Witch wrote: If

Hi Witch,

 

Witch wrote:

If you've got a glowing spleen, then you have bigger problems than an old song.

 

Oh I suppose you are a radiologist now eh?

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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Hi match3frog,   match3frog.

Hi match3frog,

 

match3frog. wrote:

(sorry, just kidding, couldn't resist).

 

That's quite all right.

 

At least we know the difference between sentiment and sediment.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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I've been singing "in all of

I've been singing "in all of us command" for years and I think inclusive language is important. That said, a small change like this does not either need to sideline the critical issues (such as the environment, social justice, etc.) or mean that the Conservative Party ov Canada is all of a sudden more amenable.

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How about "True patriot love

How about "True patriot love in all our sons and daughters and transgendered people and hermaphrodites and eunuchs command." Think that one would fly?

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Come on people, I say scrap

Come on people, I say scrap the whole thing and go with this

 

www.youtube.com/watch

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Yay Somegirl!! We've been

Yay Somegirl!! We've been hearing that at our house a fair bit lately. 

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somegirl wrote: Come on

somegirl wrote:

Come on people, I say scrap the whole thing and go with this

 

www.youtube.com/watch

 

That is cool.

 

Oh Canada is quite the ear worm! Sheesh.

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Brilliant.  Even Mr Lahey was

Brilliant.  Even Mr Lahey was in that video.

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Let's go with The Maple Leaf

Let's go with The Maple Leaf Forever.

 

Or, failing that, Grandma got Run Over by a Reindeer.

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match3frog. wrote: Let's go

match3frog. wrote:

Let's go with The Maple Leaf Forever.

 

Or, failing that, Grandma got Run Over by a Reindeer.

 

or perhaps....

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The Arrogant Worms have many

The Arrogant Worms have many options. Here is one:

 

 

"It isn't what you do with it, it's the size that counts"

 

"We're bigger than Australia, and it's a continent" (for Pilgrims Progress)

 

"Stand up and be pro-ud, and sing out very lo-ud, we stand out from the crowd, cause Canada's really big"

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Somegirl, wow!

Somegirl, wow!

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    True patriot

 

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  • True patriot love thou dost in us command.
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  • True patriot love you do in us command.
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  • True patriot love in all of us command.

I' am sorrey Match. But you know  some one here in canada will put AN ( A) on that U_S_A then we will all be in troubel A.

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momsfruitcake

momsfruitcake wrote:

 

Yes! The Hockey Song! We should go with that! Write your MP today.

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momsfruitcake

momsfruitcake wrote:

 

Yes! The Hockey Song! We should go with that! Write your MP today.

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 "...true patriot love, in

 "...true patriot love, in all our lives command."

 

There's my 1.35 cents.

 

Christ's peace - r

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I like that!

I like that!

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In all our lives command I

In all our lives command I like that!

Let's also change Our Home and NATIVE land while we are at it.

Aren't something like 1/5 Canadians born elsewhere? This may not be their native land-perhaps 'chosen" land or "much loved land' or????

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Tabitha wrote: In all our

Tabitha wrote:

In all our lives command I like that!

Let's also change Our Home and NATIVE land while we are at it.

Aren't something like 1/5 Canadians born elsewhere? This may not be their native land-perhaps 'chosen" land or "much loved land' or????

 

That's where "From far and wide O Canada..." comes in.

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How about "True patriot love,

How about "True patriot love, and Hockey rules the land"? No?  Perhaps Curling?

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All bets are off.  The bid to

All bets are off.  The bid to change the anthem has been retracted due to overwhelming opposition from the Canadian public.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/05/national-anthem.html

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I bet Harper will use this as

I bet Harper will use this as an excuse to further reduce women's rights, since we don't care about singing "sons" apparently.  lol (how cynical can I be???!!!!)

 

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  Birthstone -- I doubt

 

Birthstone -- I doubt that's cynicism. 

 

I've posted a video without words for your listening and viewing pleasure.

 

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 In all of us command is the

 In all of us command is the best of the officially proposed ones, although I love 'in all our hearts'.  I don't see how 'command' suggests a God - it is the nation, not God, commanding this emotion.  

 

qwerty: Whenever I hear about the 'victims of communism' monument, all the criticism is this 'it never happened in Canada' bullshit.  Why can we not care about people in other countries enough to erect a monument for them?  Besides, even if the monument is for Canadian victims, that doesn't mean victims of Canadian communism.  It's probably meant for people who emigrated to Canada, from Communist countries where they were oppressed.

 

Birthstone: Conservative laissez faire capitalism can be many bad things, but it is not a dictatorship.  You and the makers of most dystopian science fiction need to learn that not all negative societal changes involve an oppressive centralized government.

 

Northwind: YES!  Arrogant Worms FTW!  I was gonna post that.

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 Does it bug anyone else how

 Does it bug anyone else how overwhelmingly negative the reaction to this proposal was?  I mean, O Canada has already been changed - I think 'in all our sons command' was added in 1980-something-or-other, which makes it as much unimpeachable Canadian tradition as, say, the Safety Dance.

I know it's 'politically correct', and I'm no fan of political correctness in its dumber forms - but what possible disadvantage would there be to changing these lyrics?  Has being inclusive, at ALL, just become too uncool now?

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 match3frog: That's a silly

 match3frog: That's a silly argument.  "In all of us command" covers every category you just gave.

 

Hey, given as it's about the same age as the current lyrics of our national anthem, the Safety Dance could be our anthem too.

Any takers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg

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shamanwolf- of course we

shamanwolf- of course we don't have a dictatorship, technically, and of course not all dictatorships have been horrible for all people.  The only thing laissez-faire is Cdn voter approach to Stephen Harper, or perhaps the Liberal party's efforts at rebuilding.  Harper is routinely dictating who says what, how they say it, who doesn't get to say anything, and how he gets to run things.  There are so many examples over the past few years, and so few examples to the contrary (except when he chooses to offer a fake olive branch ie: this National Anthem bullshit) that in some ways, 'dictatorship' is how he is running things.  I am very distressed that Canadians are being laissez faire about what this means to them.

 

It would have been perfectly fine to change the anthem, although people care about tradition, and don't necessarily understand what creates it.  The fact that they think the anthem is traditional enough to keep means probably that the particular language and images evoked aren't strong enough to really matter.  AND, that Harper used it to create buzz amongst the Cdn voters he is so contemptuous of, while giving his throne speech (just like he pulled nasty stuff on Dec 31 while people were off celebrating) is how he directs his false dictatorship.  

 

Ok - so communism isn't great, but it isn't inherently evil.  Heck, nothing man-made is inherently evil.  People might be though.

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Nero played the fiddle while

Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned.

 

Harper played with the Anthem re-wording game to divert people's attention from the real issues of the environment, economic crisis, etc., just as he perogued parliament to avoid dealing with contentious issues.

 

Maybe I'm being cyncial but.....at least people responded.

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Wow - good comparison

Wow - good comparison gecko!!  The instant I read it, I had a lovely picture of Harper in my head, sawing away at his violin. 

Cynical isn't cynical when the truth mounts up and the evidence is clear.  Call it honest.

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