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Free! The War of 1812

Dear Mr. Harper,

You do not have to spend tens of millions of dollars to promote the War of 1812.  There is an excellent documentary on PBS on the subject.  Produced by both American and Canadian "Public Broadcasting" Associations, it is a balanced, articulate and interesting programme.

It may not quite fit with your definition of the 'defining of Canada', as it accurately informs that the war ended in a stalemate and the Native Americans of North America were the real losers, but in the spirit of "fiscal responsibility" I share....

 

Watch The War of 1812 Full Program on PBS. See more from PBS.

 

Sincerely,

 

LB

cc:  Friends of History

 

PS:  If you are offended by the American narrator Joe Mantegna, you could easily insert an appropriate Canadian voice over of your choice - say Margaret Attwood - to give a more Canadian definition.

 

I think I share the view of a young British officer in the War of 1812, Lieutenant John LaCouture of the 104th foot, who when he was writing about the end of the war said how pleased he was that this was over. As far as he was concerned it was a hot and unnatural war between kindred people.

Dianne Graves, a  Canadian historian and the author of In the Midst of Alarms:  The Untold Story of Women of the War of 1812

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And here is another offering, low budget, but more definably Canadian and Harpesque historically inaccurate.  Enjoy.....

 

 

 

Imagine what this person could do with a million, heck $10 bucks ;-)

 

Although if Harper et al enact their copyright law the above might cost  $11 million.  OMG, does he know something we don't!

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Oh dear, according to The History Channel, the US has already declared that the War of 1812 is their "defining moment".

 

 

Harper could be hoisted on his own copyright law.

 

Stay tuned for the next exciting installment of the Copyright Wars of 2012 File:Trademark-symbool.png

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A copyright war over a real war. That sounds like fun viewing, actually. Much like the Apple-Samsung war over tablets only with live ammo. Praise the Lord and pass the popcorn!

 

Mendalla

 

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I loaded the first one up to watch the day before yesterday but then lost it. I think the computer had to be restarted, so I haven't gotten to watch it yet. I'll load it again now.

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LBMuskoka - have you sent your letter with suggestions to PM Harper?

Might not get past his censoring minions, but good to do anyway.

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Yup. I've written to the prime minister before.

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Having experienced the horrors of of WWII as a little child, I take a dim view of glorifying war, especially when a war is hailed as "defining a nation." War is cruel, horrible, and senseless; gory rather than glory. 

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Agreed, Arminius, a nation is so much more than its battles.

 

The CBC produced a documentary called Canada:  A People's History.  Produced in 2000, it is a 30 hour documentary that is visually stunning and as historically accurate as the current evidence will allow.

 

Again we do not need to spend the now estimated 30 million on the War of 1812. 

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30 million?    that's probably more than the war itself cost back in 1812.

 

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Not quite Seeler, although considering how governments' don't have a firm grasp on budgetary processes who knows....

 

War of 1812
Current Year $
Constant FY2008$
1812-1815
90 million
1,177 million

 

Military Costs of Major U.S. Wars

 

I can't find the costs for the Brits or Canadians.  Perhaps this is an opportunity for the Feds to add to the historical archives something original to the ton of information available about this "unknown" aspect of Canadian heritage.

 

I'm not sure how the figures in the following article actually jive - note the difference between the cost of  1.177 million and 1.55 billion for the war of 1812, but even if the math is slightly off, the amount of money wasted on killing people is astronomical.  Imagine what could have really been achieved with those vast sums....

 

The True Cost Of War
 

and those dollars are for one country, multiply them around the world.

 

 

LB

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Willful waste brings woeful want.

      Thomas Fuller (1608-1661)

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The makers of this video missed the PBS documantary. LOL! Btw, this video is purely satire. I don't think war itself is funny, which is partly  why this video is funny...also this video  is comical to me, because obviously the war of 1812 hasn't been a big priority for most of us to focus on and not something most of us know a lot about.

 

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Love love love the Three dead trolls song - my kids love to sing it too, though we've had to have some in-home sensitivity training around "burn burn burning" anything ;)

I've grown up around Queenston, Ridgeway and Stoney Creek and have enjoyed knowing something about 1812.  The Brock monument has been a fun climb and the views out to the gorge are cool.  And go to Niagara-on-the-lake to eat at the Angel Inn and hear about the ghost and its Union Jack still flying.

Here is my offering:  my uncle is presenting at this little conference, arguably a very important battle at the time, though it hasn't had the sticking power as a tourist site. 

 

BATTLE OF RIDGEWAY AND THE 1866 AMERICAN FENIAN RAID ON CANADA: A CONFERENCE

Saturday, June 2, 2012 – 1:00 PM to 4:00 PM - (followed by reception 7:00 PM)

1st annual Ridgeway Reads Literary Festival
The Sanctuary - Centre for the Arts
209 Ridge Road
Ridgeway, Ontario
L0S 1N0

Canada’s first modern battle was fought on June 2, 1866 near the village of Ridgeway during the Fenian Raid on Canada. One thousand Irish American Fenian insurgents, mostly veterans of the recent American Civil War, invaded across the Niagara River at Fort Erie, Ontario, from Buffalo, New York. The objective was to take Canada hostage in a bid to expel the British monarchy from Ireland and establish an independent Irish republic. The Irish insurgents crossing at Fort Erie were the vanguard of a planned 20,000-strong Fenian army preparing to invade along numerous points of the US-Canadian border.

As the Fenian force at Fort Erie threatened to take the nearby strategic Welland Canal, 841 Canadian militia troops fought approximately 700-800 Fenians on Limestone Ridge in Canada’s first battle fought in the modern age of telegraph, steam engines and the rifled barrel, the first fought exclusively by Canadian troops and led entirely by Canadian officers and the last battle fought against foreign invaders in what would become Ontario. It was also an unmitigated disaster of such proportions that the history of the Battle of Ridgeway was covered up so thoroughly that few Canadian today have heard of it.

What happened at Ridgeway, how and why it was covered up, who were the Fenians, why did the Irish invade Canada in 1866, and did the United States secretly back the invasion, are some of the subjects of the conference which will commemorate the battle on its 146th anniversary on June 2, 2012, on a Saturday exactly as it fell in 1866.

The Sanctuary Centre for the Arts - 209 Ridge Road - L0S 1N0 - June 2, 2012
Presented by the First Annual Ridgeway Reads Literary Festival
For more on the 1866 Battle of Ridgeway, the Fenians, and Ridgeway festival events and ticketing details visit:

www.ridgewaybattle.ca www.fenians.org www.ridgewayreads.com


CONFERENCE SPEAKERS
Robert Kearns (Moderator) is the President and Founder of Kearns Insurance Corporation and Kearns Investment Corporation and has been continually involved in the commemoration of Irish and Canadian history. Originally from Dublin, he graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Archaeology and Greek and Roman Civilizations from University College Dublin, before immigrating to Canada in 1979. As the Chairman and Founder of Ireland Park Foundation, he articulates his vision of creating full recognition for the Irish community and their history in Canada. He also serves as Chairman of the campaign for Celtic Studies at St. Michael’s College at the University of Toronto and Director of the Halifax Aircraft Association, a ten year project with Canadian veterans to restore a second world war Halifax bomber to commemorate the ten thousand Canadians who failed to return from their service in bomber command. More recently he has undertaken the cause for official recognition of the “Ridgeway Nine”—modern Canada’s forgotten first servicemen killed in action on June 2, 1866.

William Jenkins is an associate professor of geography and a member of the graduate programs in geography and history at York University. His published work initially focused on social and economic transformations in nineteenth- and twentieth-century rural Ireland and has more recently concentrated on the lives and allegiances of Irish immigrants and their descendants in urban North America. His work has appeared in the Journal of Historical Geography, Immigrants and Minorities and the Journal of Urban History, among other scholarly outlets. His book, Between Raid and Rebellion: the Irish in Buffalo and Toronto, 1867-1916

will be published by McGill-Queen's University Press in the fall of 2012.

Brian Reid was born in Fort Erie and grew up in Ridgeway. He joined the Canadian Army in 1957 as a gunner and was commissioned in the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery in 1961. During his career he served in a variety of regimental, staff and liaison appointments in Canada, the United States and Europe. His final appointment before he retired in 1994 was in the Director General Military Plans and Operations division in National Defence Headquarters. His published works include RCHA - Right of the Line (co-author,) Our Little Army in the Field: The Canadians in South Africa, 1899-1902, No Holding Back: Operation Totalize, Normandy, August 1944 and Named By The Enemy: A History of the Royal Winnipeg Rifles as well as studies in Fighting for Canada: Seven Battles, 1758-1945 and More Fighting for Canada: Five Battles, 1760-1944

. When not in Snowbird mode, he and his wife Patricia live in Kemptville, Ontario.

Peter Vronsky is the author of the recently published Ridgeway: The American Fenian Invasion and the 1866 Battle That Made Canada

, (Penguin Books), the first book published in over one hundred years on the forgotten Battle of Ridgeway. He is a documentary filmmaker and the author of two bestselling true crime history books on the psychopathology and culture of serial homicide from the Roman Empire to the Washington beltway. Ridgeway is based on his recent Ph.d. dissertation at University of Toronto in the history of espionage and international relations in Civil War-era Canada. He is a sessional professor at Ryerson University History Department where he teaches courses in 19th and 20th century new military history and international relations and is currently writing a new biography of the Dulles brothers based on recently declassified (2004) CIA files.

David A. Wilson is a historian of Irish political traditions throughout the Atlantic world is the author of the two volume Thomas D'Arcy McGee Volume 1: Passion, Reason, and Politics 1825-57 and Volume 2: The Extreme Moderate, 1857-1868. (Queen's McGill University Press) His books include Paine and Cobbett: The Transatlantic Connection; Peter Porcupine in America: Pamphlets on Republicanism and Revolution; Ireland, a Bicycle and a Tin Whistle; United Irishmen, United States: Immigrant Radicals in the Early Republic; The History of the Future; Ulster Presbyterians in the Atlantic World; and The Orange Order in Canada. He is currently working on a book on Canadian Fenianism. He is coordinator of the Celtic Studies Program and a professor in the Department of History at the University of Toronto.

 

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It makes me edgey when a politician starts "stirring" up National pride, glorifying past wars or war heroes....no good comes from this, imo!  I'm always so thankful for the veterans that stand up and say that war is failure to the nth degree.

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and frankly, it wasn't really a Canadian thing - we weren't really Canada,  more British trying to stomp around on first nations territory.  Just the best of the worst?  I'm not sure.

 

It certainly shaped the area I live in, and my family was around at the time, so there is history there.  What I don't like is using it as a dividing point between US & Canada- glorifying, perhaps, our history.  That is pointless and tired.   But the view from the Brock monument is cool, and one gets the sense of ghosts who keep us remembering.

 

My great great ... grandfather (don't know how many generations) & his brother sat on their barn roof and watched the battle of Ridgeway.

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