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piercings and tattoos

In my opinion I believe that piercings and tattoos are a very beautiful art form, as long as it is done in proper moderation to whom ever it is on. But many Highschools are opposed to having the students have visable 'body art', how can this be in any way be right?

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Hi love-child - welcome to

Hi love-child - welcome to wondercafe!  Just wondering about the highschools you mention - I haven't heard of any that have such a policy.  Can you be any more specific - eg what province or state or country? are these public or separate or private schools?  Do you know the basis of their opposition? It would help us to then have some more specific discussion.

 

I could see if the tattoos were depicting hate messages, it would be a problem.  Or, some might be offended by the content of some pictoral representations.  I guess in that sense, it would be easier just to say all must be covered, instead of somebody having to make evaluations about each one, as per any established criteria.

 

My daughter has many tatts, my son has one.  Personally I'm not a big fan, but that's just me.  I respect their right to make their own choices.  I did talk to them about potential for discrimination later in life, when they're getting in careers etc.  and suggested they ensure they could be placed where easily covered by clothing.

 

My daughter had a number of piercings also ... key word HAD.  She found when she went job hunting, several of the facial piercing had to be removed - apparently santitation rules when working in a food service area. Others went due to public perception in when she took a job in a swanky office.

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the highschools I had

the highschools I had mentioned were all in Ontario, the one public school was Parry Sound Public Highschool, and I had numerous friends harassed about there piercings being visable, and the Catholic schools were Mother theresa and Central catholic high in London ont. At Mts the students were only pushed to take them out, but at Cch the students would be suspended until they removed them.

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I don't know about your area,

I don't know about your area, but where I am, the Separate (catholic) high school students all wear uniforms ... I'm not sure if those policies extend to what type of 'jewellery' can be worn ... perhaps piercings are considered 'jewellery'?   Do you think it's a 'uniform' thing?

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It seems the private school

It seems the private school are wanting to keep things neet and tidy and keep the potential for rebelion at a minimum, and tatoos and unusual piercings represent rebelion. In public school, I can't see why such a policy would be in effect unless that particular principal was really old fashioned, or perhaps the parents decided against it at PTA meetings.

 

Myself I've seen few tattos that I thought enhanced a person's beauty. I've seen lots of cool body art, but blue and green skin just ain't pretty to me for the most part. Although...I do like the Iroquoi  and Maori traditional tatooing (blue lips excluded) and other ethnic types I've seen.

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I can't imagine a public

I can't imagine a public school being able to do anything about it. They can't expel a kid for a tat or peircing or keep him or her in detention all year. No matter how much some won't like it they have no choice but to tolerate it.

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love-child wrote: In my

love-child wrote:

In my opinion I believe that piercings and tattoos are a very beautiful art form, as long as it is done in proper moderation to whom ever it is on. But many Highschools are opposed to having the students have visable 'body art', how can this be in any way be right?

 

They are beautiful, I agree. I suppose the school stance is meant to oppose gang-style tats, but that's easier to do if they just ban all body art. Now me, I'm thinking of getting a tattoo. I want one that says "The plane! The plane!"

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Like Jae said, a schools

Like Jae said, a schools opposition to tatoos is probably too keep kids from showing off gang tatoos wich may lead to violence, i'm getting a peace sign tattoo (not sure where yet) when i'm old enough (stupid laws -.-) and i'll be damned if the schools say i cant let it show! (as long as i get it somewhere like my arm or leg, i'd be fine if they got upset if it was on my but cheak and they made me stop showing people teehee)

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Censorship is always

Censorship is always controversial. Even if it means telling a 14 yr old teenager to cover up, then again, who lets their 14 yr old get inked at that age!? I speak for myself when I say, I love tattoos... on other people. My mother raised me a prude. But this year I did something daring and got a lil yellowbird, swooping down for the kill, on the left side of my chest. Honest to "G", it did not hurt & it only cost $40. 

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As for peircings, I have had 6 of them at one point & they have all come out for various reasons, number one being I could not have facial peircings as a security officer; number two, I thought they were pretty nifty until they started getting infected & then I worried about scarring my pretty lil face up. So needless to say, I grew out of that phase. Now I see youngsters running around with cheek dimple peircings & think, "OuCh. I wonder how much internal pain they had to be going thru to get THAT done?'

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Jae said "Now me, I'm

Jae said "Now me, I'm thinking of getting a tattoo. I want one that says "The plane! The plane!"

 

That's too funny!! I remember staying up late at a friends house to watch that as a kid!

 

Seriously though, I once thought of having a rune tatooed on my thigh. The strength rune. I thought that would be very Teutonic of me.

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Elanorgold, i think a

Elanorgold, i think a strength rune tatooed on your thigh would be cool ^_^ (now i know what it looks like, thank you google! d(^_^)b*thumbs up*)

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Eleanorgold,I wholeheartedly

Eleanorgold,I wholeheartedly agree with you on the beautiful nature of native forms (traditional types)of tatooing.They can make a person a living artistic masterpiece...but unfortunately most other tatooing patterns are simply vulgar expressions of self-loathing nearly forever bonded to the individual ignorant of any higher artistic license.If only there were ancient masters of this ancient practice around today!           IanC

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I know of several workplaces

I know of several workplaces that make employees cover visible tattoos as well, so I'm not surprised that a public school would ask the same. 

(The workplaces I've seen request that have been places where professionalism in appearance should not matter like a pizza parlor)

I, myself dress on the side of 'business' even when I'm just going to the mall with my daughter, but under that I have 2 tattoos, a small one on my hip and a huge sprawling tattoo covering my back.

I'd guess that the school is trying to cover their behinds if a students parent complains of pressure caused by others examples to their child.   Silly but take a look at these forums, sensitivity is everywhere. 

(for example.... I posted a thread with an insensitve title, with topic content asking an open question, and one member wrote on my profile that I was basically saying it was ok to force rape victims to relive their horror and promote killing of baby animals - my post had nothing to do with rape or baby animals btw)

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I'm a public school teacher

I'm a public school teacher and have three tattoos (soon to be 5!) and one shows when i wear shorts.  No one seems to mind or care, though this is Vancouver.  One of the kids saw it (Grade 2) and asked "Is that real?"  (it was cute b/c little kids are always wearing thoe temp tattoos!)

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lol that's cute -^_^- what is

lol that's cute -^_^- what is the tattoo of, if ya don't mind me askin'?

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I have three... a bull on my

I have three... a bull on my calf, a tribal sun with a chinese character on my upper arm, and a tribal band on my other arm.  Space for one more there, and one on my other leg :-)

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Private schools / Catholic

Private schools / Catholic schools sicken me.  There is a school in my area that is Catholic (also in Ontario)  that suspends students for un-tucked uniforms.

 

How does that help a student?  Students should be suspended if they are likely to harm another child, or get in the way of the learning process of their peers.  Not if they are not conforming to rules that really do not change a child's education.   Catholic schools replace social studies and career studies with religion.  Another no-no in my books.  Many parents only send their children to Catholic and Private schools for a "better" education.   I also find that those types of schools are adimate about their "image" to the public, just so more children sign their kids up.  I've actually heard a teacher say that Catholic teachers are pressured to give better marks to relfect on the school's appearance....

 

I say teach diversity, not conformaty.  People who are subjected to distinct religions, cultures, ways of life, are more likely to look down apon people who have different opinions than they do.  That is exactly what causes wars, hate crimes, discrimination, "class" status.... fuels marketing... all the problems with society. 

 

I have 2 piercings, and 3 tattoos.  All coverable, because I know that my opinions may be discriminated against.  "Not that I have a problem with it.... but... other people may".   That should not be an issue.  People should not be judged on appearence, in fact other people shouldn't judge others... Last time I checked, God is the only judge, and I highly doubt (if there is a God) that he/she discriminates due to appearence. I find that the religous people, who say that they believe that God is THE judge, are the most judgemental, and feel that they are better than others for being "A good (insert religon here)"

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Well said Benrie-dette ^_^

Well said Benrie-dette ^_^

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Yes!

Yes!

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Personally, I find all

Personally, I find all tattoos to be extremely repulsive, as well as most body piercings.   In any case, most body piercings can grow over but tattoos will always remain as highly visible evidence of something that seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

Just my opinion, you understand. (btw, I have had an earring for the last 25 years or so)

 

As for schools having the power to limit such things, I don't think that public schools have that legal right.  Private schools do.

 

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as a personal response, I

as a personal response, I find body piercings quite repulsive. It may well be just me, but when I see them I think of bad sanitation and disease. Similarly, I don't find tattoos beautiful. Let's get serious, the average joe who learns how to use a tattoo pen and draw  pictures of a heart with Sadie written in it over a flabby belly is not likely to be a picasso.

 

But, hey, you want to punch holes in your nose and have somebody paint a rose on your rear end - it's none of my business.I'm not crazy about bowties either. But it's none of my business and none of the school's business.

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oh, a piece of trivia - that

oh, a piece of trivia - that peace symbol you have on your avatar.  has its origins in the 50s. It was the symbol of the nuclear disarmament movement, and it's the letters ND in semaphore (flag) signalling.

The signal for N was two flags held downward in an inverted V.

The signal for D was one flag held straight up in front of your nose, and the other held straight down over a part that isn't your nose.

 

Put those two signals together, put a circle around them, and that's the peace symbol as it became known in the 70s.

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graeme wrote: oh, a piece of

graeme wrote:

oh, a piece of trivia - that peace symbol you have on your avatar.  has its origins in the 50s. It was the symbol of the nuclear disarmament movement, and it's the letters ND in semaphore (flag) signalling.

The signal for N was two flags held downward in an inverted V.

The signal for D was one flag held straight up in front of your nose, and the other held straight down over a part that isn't your nose.

 

Put those two signals together, put a circle around them, and that's the peace symbol as it became known in the 70s.

Thanks for sharing that. A lot of the fundies that I grew up going to church with would say it was an upside down, broken cross. I never believed that. Until now the best explaination I had heard was it was a missile and then a circle with a slash through it saying NO.

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opponents of the ND movement

opponents of the ND movement also spread the idea it symbolized a rocket, and they called the nuclear disarmament people "rocket rangers".

The ND movement began about 1950 in Britain with marches on the nuclear production site at Aldermaston. I believe the symbol was also British in origin since the use of semaphore flags was still common in both the British army and in Boy Scouts.

The movement peaked in the early sixties, then declined. So the symbol was taken over by the hippie movement, and became a peace symbol.

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That's an interesting point.

That's an interesting point. A child could get a tattoo that would be offensive and unsettling to others. Obviously, a parent should intervene. But if one doesn't? Does the school have the right to act in place of a parent?

I really don't know. I can see so many problems either way.

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