This year's edition of the Toronto Pride Guide is now out. I picked up a copy today. The Guide says the purpose of the Festival is to support the LGBTTIQQ2SA community. I never knew the acronym had gotten so large.
Anyway, of course I know what an L, G, and B are. And I'm pretty sure I know about Ts, Ts, As, and Qs as well. However, the other letters I find myself more ignorant on.
What exactly does it mean that someone is I? As I recall 2S is some kind of Native thing, where the person believes they have both genders. How is that different than I?
And who exactly is Q? I always thought Q was another way of saying G.
Interesting to see that they have included As this time 'round. I would gather most people in these forums are As.
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somegirl
I is intersexed, having
Posted on: 06/16/2010 19:54
I is intersexed, having primary physical sex charateristics of both genders, formerly known as hermaphrodite. Q is questioning. 2S is 2 spirited. It comes from aboriginal culture for a person having the spirit of both genders.
paradox3
Ha! When I saw this topic, I
Posted on: 06/16/2010 20:54
Ha! When I saw this topic, I assumed it was about the hypothetical Q document, relied upon by two of the Gospel writers.
Boy, was I wrong
If someone could explain the entire acronym, I would appreciate it. This is reminding me of the Church Life thread which dealt with the DLM's and so on. Equally confusing.
MC jae
somegirl wrote: I is
Posted on: 06/16/2010 20:54
I is intersexed, having primary physical sex charateristics of both genders, formerly known as hermaphrodite. Q is questioning. 2S is 2 spirited. It comes from aboriginal culture for a person having the spirit of both genders.
Thank you for your answers, somegirl. They do help. The Q that I was questioning ws not questioning, but queer. I thought "queer" was another word for "gay." However, "gay" is already represented in the acronym by the letter G, so who exactly is "queer" but not "gay"?
Say, I'm a conservative evangelical. There's not a lot of us around these days. We're a fairly rare breed. Perhaps we're the "queer" in question.
MC jae
paradox3 wrote:Ha! When I
Posted on: 06/16/2010 21:02
I thought people might mistake it for a thread about the Star Trek character Q.
Lesbian Gay Bi Transsexual Transgendered Intersexed Queer Questioning Two-Spirited Allies.
The Allies are people who are not LGBTTIQQ2S but who do support the cause. That is to say, LGBTTIQQ2S-friendly straights (and asexuals?)
mrs.anteater
Actually, I would like to
Posted on: 06/16/2010 20:58
Actually, I would like to know this,too. Could someone spell it out? LGBTTIQQ2SA= Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual, ???? And what would be the difference between 2S and bi? Does it only apply to aboriginals?
paradox3
Isn't it two spirited, Jae?
Posted on: 06/16/2010 20:58
Isn't it two spirited, Jae?
MC jae
mrs.anteater wrote:And what
Posted on: 06/16/2010 21:01
Well, as I understand it, bis are people who have sexual feelings toward both males and females. On the other hand, as somegirl has written, "2S is 2 spirited. It comes from aboriginal culture for a person having the spirit of both genders." So I guess a person could be 2S and only have sexual feelings towards one particular gender.
It all gets rather confusing, doesn't it.
MC jae
paradox3 wrote: Isn't it two
Posted on: 06/16/2010 21:02
Isn't it two spirited, Jae?
Good point, paradox. I edited my post.
efficient_cause
It seems the acronym is
Posted on: 06/16/2010 21:54
It seems the acronym is getting unwieldy.
chemgal
My understanding is that
Posted on: 06/16/2010 22:01
My understanding is that some people use to the word queer because the other labels don't fit them. I get the for GLBTQ but I'm not sure what isn't covered in the new acronym. Maybe people who only cross-dress some of the time? Or someone who most of the time is interested in one sex but occasionally is interested in the same sex if they don't want to label themselves as straight. gay/lesbian or bi?
I'd like to hear more than someone more informed than I!
MistsOfSpring
efficient_cause wrote: It
Posted on: 06/16/2010 22:18
It seems the acronym is getting unwieldy.
Too true! Inclusion is great for people, but bad for acronyms!
Sebb
I was actually unaware of how
Posted on: 06/16/2010 22:35
I was actually unaware of how long it had gotten...
Although it's not as long as the name of my non-proffit organisation:
S.F.T.S.O.T.T.I.A.W.A.A.S.O.S.T.B.N.J.T.A.I.T.I.H.H.O.Y.B.W.S.I.I.H.K.A.T
(Sebb for the support of things I agree with and also some other stuff too but not just that, also interesting things I haven't heard of yet but would support if I had known about them)
jon71
I saw this thread and just
Posted on: 06/17/2010 04:52
I saw this thread and just assumed it was about Q as played by John De Lancie in Star Trek the Next Generation. No kdding, that's what I really thought of first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_star_trek
As for what you really meant I have heard both "questioning" and "queer" and as chemgal said, queer seems to be a catchall for people who don't feel that other labels fit them well enough.
MikePaterson
Scientists are saying now
Posted on: 06/17/2010 08:33
Scientists are saying now that inherited sexuality is a continuum, not the either/or suggested by the X/Y chromosomal picture: the XX and XY gene pairings express themselves in ways that close the gap. Society has forced a male-female choice that many people have found very difficult to live out. As that social pressure has eased, more of the continuum is being expressed.
i.e. Expect longer acronyms.
DKS
paradox3 wrote: Ha! When I
Posted on: 06/17/2010 08:41
Ha! When I saw this topic, I assumed it was about the hypothetical Q document, relied upon by two of the Gospel writers.
Boy, was I wrong
If someone could explain the entire acronym, I would appreciate it. This is reminding me of the Church Life thread which dealt with the DLM's and so on. Equally confusing.
Same with me. I thought this was a New Testament discussion...
Panentheism
I thought startrek and never
Posted on: 06/17/2010 10:01
I thought startrek and never the book of q and I studied that... the term popular culture sent me toward star trek.
Northwind
jae wrote: Thank you for your
Posted on: 06/17/2010 10:07
Thank you for your answers, somegirl. They do help. The Q that I was questioning ws not questioning, but queer. I thought "queer" was another word for "gay." However, "gay" is already represented in the acronym by the letter G, so who exactly is "queer" but not "gay"?
Say, I'm a conservative evangelical. There's not a lot of us around these days. We're a fairly rare breed. Perhaps we're the "queer" in question.
LOL jae. We always knew you were a little "queer" in the 1950's version of the term. We love you anyway.
YouthWorker
I was also expecting Star
Posted on: 06/17/2010 10:29
I was also expecting Star Trek!
In addition to the long string of letters, the GLBT group at my university added a * to the end of it -- and the * represented all of those individuals who either don't like labels or do not fit neatly into a certain category.
DKS
The other possibolity I
Posted on: 06/17/2010 10:44
The other possibolity I thought of was Jian Ghomeshi, host of Q on CBC...
Hilary
and I thought of 007. I
Posted on: 06/17/2010 12:10
and I thought of 007.
I feel like, with so many letters, it almost covers everyone. Can't we just call it a celebration of the "everyone community"? Or is that too inclusive?
Mendalla
I'm another one who first
Posted on: 06/17/2010 19:27
I'm another one who first thought of the Trek character. If it hadn't been that, it would have been the Bond character mentioned by Hilary. The gospel reference escaped me entirely although I am familiar with it.
As for the actual topic, it's been pretty well covered upthread and, yes, it's getting confusing. The problem is that each of those groups has their own specific issues in addition to the gender/orientation issues that they have in common, so you can't really just lump the whole lot under "Queer" or something.
I think, in the end, that if you're being "Affirming" or "Welcoming" (the UU term for it), the best course is to say that you welcome every person equally. That gets adults and children, all orientations/gender identities, all levels of ability, and so on without having to have a list a mile long. You can't get much more inclusive than that.
Mendalla
InannaWhimsey
jae, the movement has been
Posted on: 06/17/2010 19:35
jae,
the movement has been gradually fading as it is being integrated into mainstream culture. Eventually, the acronym will include everyone on the planet :3
Bit by bit by bit.
somegirl
Jae, I figured that you
Posted on: 06/17/2010 19:58
Jae, I figured that you already knew that one of the Qs meant queer.
MC jae
somegirl wrote: Jae, I
Posted on: 06/17/2010 20:32
Jae, I figured that you already knew that one of the Qs meant queer.
Yes, I did, but I'm still unsure just who is classified as "queer." It seems to be a catch-all word for just about everyone who is not 100% straight.
Motheroffive
As I understand it from a
Posted on: 06/17/2010 23:46
As I understand it from a relative who self-describes as "queer", that's quite likely true for many, however it can also include someone who's gender isn't necessarily consistent with their sex, to lesser or greater degrees.
Edited to add: I also thought this was going to be a Star Trek thread, never thought of the Q source of the gospels, and even though I listen to it most days, didn't think of the CBC radio program either. I loved the concept of the Continuum and the bizarre character of Q, especially as his character was developed. (I think it would be cool to bring that concept into the new Star Trek story lines.)
carolla
Hey Hilary - it was James
Posted on: 06/18/2010 18:04
Hey Hilary - it was James Bond for me too! Just goes to show how important context is!!
gaiagrrl
Boy I feel like a bad
Posted on: 06/22/2010 22:15
Boy I feel like a bad lesbian... I came here absolutely thinking this was about Star Trek and wouldn't have been able to clearly define the acronym... I would have ended up making things up..
Faerenach
Count me in for the Star Trek
Posted on: 06/26/2010 18:20
Count me in for the Star Trek reference - I thought it might be some deep religious discussion about portraying godlike characters!
But yes, I agree that the initials seem to be turning into more of a mission statement than an actual acronym. When I hear people talk about Pride, the most common shortform is LGTB or LGTBQ (the latter being what we called it 5+ years ago at Uni). I understand that minorities want to be differentiated within a group, but if you're going to try to sexually define everyone, I think I'd appreciate a sexual umbrella term (that sounded borderline naughty). Perhaps something along the lines of Awareness of Sexual and Gender Identities or something like that (ASAGI?). It's a tough field, where many feel their identities are under attack and stand proudly by their label, while others fight to be free of labelling and defining their sexuality.