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21 y/o, single, female (Looking for God's Love)

When I was younger, I believed what my mother told me, "If you have sex before marriage you will go to hell," & "Gay people will not go to heaven." Here in lies my predictament, because I was a virgin until I decided to test my faith. I figured, as long as I am a lesbian, I am going to hell. So I did the right thing, by being with heterosexual males, and lost my virginity to a guy. But that still meant I was going to hell! After 6 years in the closet, I decided it was time to come out. And finally be happy being me.

Long story short, I fell in love with a girl, got my heart broken and contined to learn, grow and love. Although, I might hold back on the love. I accept myself the way I am NOW. But it took a long, hard road to find my inner happiness. I realized nothing outside of myself is ever going to make me happy. Faith & Hope have been instrumental in my spiritual development. But temptation still exists.

Now I find myself single. And I want to date. But I know I am not ready for love. If anything, I want to make more friends in the gay community, but I run the risk of enforcing the negative stereotype of homosexual promiscuity. As it is, I have a guilty conscience, because I am only perpetuating my own intelligent Ego. How do I say no to the insatiable appetite of lust? And still uphold my ethical & moral values as a 21 y/o, single, lesbian?

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if.i.were.a.boy wrote: Now I

if.i.were.a.boy wrote:

Now I find myself single. And I want to date. But I know I am not ready for love. If anything, I want to make more friends in the gay community, but I run the risk of enforcing the negative stereotype of homosexual promiscuity. As it is, I have a guilty conscience, because I am only perpetuating my own intelligent Ego. How do I say no to the insatiable appetite of lust? And still uphold my ethical & moral values as a 21 y/o, single, lesbian?

 

You want to date but you say you're not ready for love. From where, then, is your desire to date coming from? Is it all about lust for you? If so, I'd advise against dating for the time being. You're just too vulnerable at this particular moment. It probably is best for now to concentrate on friendships. I'm a little confused, however, on how you'd be promoting promiscuity by being a friend. Unless you mean friends with "benefits". I'd suggest you stick to friendship without said benefits for now.

 

The question then becomes, how does one find victory over the temptations of lust. The short answer is that you need to cut off the source of temptation. If it's tv or movies, stop watching them. If it's being around certain people, avoid them.

 

I'd also suggest you read the Bible and meditate on what it has to say about lust. Also, pray to God during weak moments and ask him to give you more strength.

 

Do not think about how to gratify yourself. Think about other things instead. For example, here's a poem to help keep you entertained: "As I go into the wood I see the little rabbits eating porridge as they should. Those silly little rabbits." - Walt Kelly

 

p.s. God does love you. Really. He does. God loves everyone.

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Thanks for the response Jae.

Thanks for the response Jae. I knew I would get a hit on the "wanting to date without love" conundrum. I just find myself conflicted ever since I went on the straight and narrow. I no longer imbibe or do drugs. And since then I have had many profound spiritual experiences. The way I see it, sex is just another addiction humans use to get outside themselves, and even after 6 months I am still being pulled in that direction. I was celebate for 5 months and it was the most amazing emotional sobreity I've ever had, because the temptation was not there! Then I got into a relationship, quickly discovering that I am codependant, and now I am going back to square one. At least that's what it seems like. My carnal cravings are absurd sometimes and come from a deep & dark place, that I thought I buried with my past. Right now I am single & I am thinking that staying single (without friends with benefits) is the way to go. I am just getting to know and like myself. So how can I expect anyone else to understand me, if i do not myself? Thanks.

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First and foremost GOD made

First and foremost GOD made you and HE loves you unconditionally. He loves you as his 21 year old, single, lesbian, co-dependent, recovering, beautiful child. As for dating I'd say slow and careful. If you have a nice date, give her a good night kiss. On the second or third date, give that kiss a French flavor. If you're still happy and dating each other after a few months, go to second base. You get the picture. I've never been one to accept that life has to be an unending series of cold showers and at the same time I've never been a "playa" or had that much respect for them either. I personally believe in and recommend the middle ground. You don't have to relegate yourself to nothing just because it feels wrong to do everything. Be aware of course that there is always a desire to do more. Forget male or female, or gay or straight, that much is just HUMAN so know yourself and take everything into account. It might help if you and your girlfriend talk about it in advance. If she agrees to respect your boundaries in advance it'll be a lot easier. Plus if she's a "zero to sixty" kind of girl maybe she's a bad fit anyway and you opt not to date.

I hope this advice has value for you. Even if it doesn't let me give you a warm welcome to Wondercafe, I really hope you like this community. We have a lot to offer. Also I really wish you every happiness in both your spiritual journey and on your human love life. May GOD bless you dear.

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jon71 wrote: First and

jon71 wrote:

First and foremost GOD made you and HE loves you unconditionally. He loves you as his 21 year old, single, lesbian, co-dependent, recovering, beautiful child.

This is the most heart-warming comment ever!

Much appreciation & respect to you jon71.

I am happy to say that I am back on the abstinence boat. (if there ever was one ;)

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if.i.were.a.boy wrote: jon71

if.i.were.a.boy wrote:

jon71 wrote:

First and foremost GOD made you and HE loves you unconditionally. He loves you as his 21 year old, single, lesbian, co-dependent, recovering, beautiful child.

This is the most heart-warming comment ever!

Much appreciation & respect to you jon71.

I am happy to say that I am back on the abstinence boat. (if there ever was one ;)

I'm happy for you. GOD bless.

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Yep it is time to step back

Yep it is time to step back and look at your life you are loved by God unconditionally. I am sorry that your parents played the "Hell" card that comes across, in my opinion, as emotional blackmail. I would suggest that slowing down is a good course of action right now.

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Jae wrote: if.i.were.a.boy

Jae wrote:

if.i.were.a.boy wrote:

Now I find myself single. And I want to date. But I know I am not ready for love. If anything, I want to make more friends in the gay community, but I run the risk of enforcing the negative stereotype of homosexual promiscuity. As it is, I have a guilty conscience, because I am only perpetuating my own intelligent Ego. How do I say no to the insatiable appetite of lust? And still uphold my ethical & moral values as a 21 y/o, single, lesbian?

You want to date but you say you're not ready for love. From where, then, is your desire to date coming from? Is it all about lust for you? If so, I'd advise against dating for the time being.

First and foremost, you need to be true to yourself (this said to ensure that you ignore this post if after contemplation, it's just not you)...  But 'yourself' is not a static entity - people change.  And there is nothing at all wrong with lust - I'd advise reevaluating your 'ethical & moral values' as likely coming in large part from parents and religion and given your own description of 'insatiable lust' (that can't be a good thing, right?), satiate it!

 

Some people who have a stereotype of homosexual promiscuity - and some who claim heterosexual promiscuity is 'sinful' - are people who were or are promiscusous themselves (some actually have the audacity to state it).  And other nay-sayers get their sex from their significant other.  Don't let others dictate your life.  Plus in my experience, it seems largely the result of inhibitions based on religion and there's neither grounds nor benefits to withholding sex in 'real life'. You're a young woman, not the ward of a church.

 

I submit that - taking care with STDs - gratify yourself any way you so choose and shed the imposed guilt from doing the most natural thing in the world.  And enjoy it.  Revel in it.  Grow with it.  Experiment.  Love it.  It won't take over your life and it's both a heathly urge and a healthy response to satisfy.  "Rabbits", Jae?

 

Again, if this "most amazing emotional sobreity" is for you - really for you - goferit.  I'm providing alternative advice because that kind of phrase is just so far afield of my life experiences and my (albeit limited - I'm a user, not an expert) knowledge of human sexuality, that I wonder about influences from religion.

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There is a good & bad side to

There is a good & bad side to every element in life. I guess the issue of sex is mine to contend with, because it is something I can learn the most from at this point in my life. The morally upright "good" side of my nature wants to atone for my past promiscuity and abstain from sex altogether. The corrupt "bad" side of me wants to do whatever, with whoever, so long as I do not have to commit to them in any way.

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In a spiritual, not at all religious sense, I view fornication as an emotional succubus. Up until 6 months ago, I used sex to secure false intimacy & for self-gratification. I did not love any of the women I slept with. In early relationships I was hurt. In turn, I used sex as external validation of who I was as a person. If you didn't want me, then I was not good enough. If you fell for me, I had control. I DO want to find everlasting love, but I am a skeptic.

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In the end. It is my guilty conscience that I answer to (thank you BrettA for your perspective. it gave me something to think about).

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You're welcome and while my

You're welcome and while my perception is likely obvious, I'll provide one more - a hypothetical 're-write' that encompasses your thoughts as written in your lasy post, but with my slant.

Brett's Rewrite Thought for if.i.were.a.boy wrote:

There is a good & bad side to every element in life. For sex, the "good" side is pretty well everything I can think of including gratification - self and other, hopefully both; and intimacy (and 'morals' don't play here - there's nothing immoral about sex). The "bad" side of sex is the possibility of STD, unwanted pregnancy (not generally applicable here) and the games some people think of or play around worthiness, validation, false anything, control and more.  The games can play out in non-sexual relationships as well, but it should never be anywhere

 

Keep sex on the same plane as other positive relationships such as friendship and keep the judgmental 'good'/'bad' to a minimum (who'd disagree with STDs, etc.?) and I'll suggest that sex can be just great...  anytime with anyone; casual and promiscuous or monogamous. 

And thank you for that last post... it allows me an insight that I didn't have.  After discussing this with someone, I'll also possibly clarify that I don't mean sex for sex sake.  Just as you likely don't want to spend any time with people you don't like, you'd want sex with people you like (at whatever level that can be assessed at the time).   Good luck!  :-)

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I guess sex is what you make

I guess sex is what you make of it. If you enter it as "just for fun" that's all it will be, arobic exercise with a happy ending. If you approach it as an expression of love, a way to really connect with another person, then that's what it is. It genuinely is what you make it be. The biggest thing is that both people are approaching it the same way, otherwise someone gets really hurt.

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jon71 wrote: I guess sex is

jon71 wrote:

I guess sex is what you make of it. If you enter it as "just for fun" that's all it will be...

I'd say 'yes' and 'no'...  Just because you 'enter it' (pun?) as "just for fun" doesn't mean it won't develop into something much, much more.  I can't recall ever going into it with more than that, but I've had four longish-term relationships evolve out of casual sex... 4 years (long distance / not live-in / not monogamous), 2 years, 4 years and 30 years - even the shortest is considerably longer than some marriages I know.  And several multi-month relationships as well.

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