I've got a question. It's a phrase that pops up every now and again here, and as Little Red Cinnamon Heart Day (the best thing about Feb. 14, in my opinion) approaches, it occurs to me more than ever to wonder about it.
My question is this: What, exactly is a soul mate? How do you know if or when you've met one? (or more?) Do we each have one? Do only the Lucky Few ever get to meet theirs? What does the phrase mean, anyway?
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ninjafaery
It seems to me, from personal
Posted on: 02/05/2010 17:17
It seems to me, from personal observation only, that the only people who know what a soulmate is are the ones who have one.
redbaron338
So it only makes sense if you
Posted on: 02/05/2010 17:20
So it only makes sense if you believe in it already?
carolla
What a good question
Posted on: 02/05/2010 17:29
What a good question redbaron338. I'm very curious to see how people reply. For me, although I deeply love my partner, I would not describe him as a "soulmate" - perhaps because I'm really not sure what the term means, and I hesitate to use words I don't understand. So ... I'll be watching along with you for answers here ...
ninjafaery
redbaron338 wrote: So it only
Posted on: 02/05/2010 17:42
So it only makes sense if you believe in it already?
I guess that's my opinion.
"Friendship caught fire" is an expression I like.
I don't believe there's someone out there who's destined to be one's mate.
redbaron338
carolla wrote: What a good
Posted on: 02/05/2010 17:47
What a good question redbaron338. I'm very curious to see how people reply. For me, although I deeply love my partner, I would not describe him as a "soulmate" - perhaps because I'm really not sure what the term means, and I hesitate to use words I don't understand. So ... I'll be watching along with you for answers here ...
Thanks, Carolla, for putting words to it. I love my wife, but I can't really see that the phrase 'soul-mate' is fitting. One other thought occurs: it seems when I see/ hear the phrase, some sort of physical attraction is involved. Is that always the case?
Aresthena
For me, I think that in a
Posted on: 02/05/2010 17:49
For me, I think that in a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, a person may appear who is unlike anyone you have ever met. And you will know it, because that person will be the most amazing character in your life.
But I do not think it is that simple. Even if you somehow manage to meet your "soul mate", there is no certainty that you will "live happily ever after", because it does not all depend on your choice.
Pilgrims Progress
I have loved and lost my
Posted on: 02/05/2010 18:09
I have loved and lost my soulmate.
I truly understand the expression "it's better to have loved and lost, than never have loved at all".
Why do I refer to my late husband as my soulmate? We shared with love our bodies, minds, and spirits. We reached a place beyong our ego needs, and wished nothing more than the growth and happiness of the other.
Of course, it wasn't always that way. It took at least ten years to get to that point.
I have been truly blessed.
Olivet_Sarah
I do believe in the concept
Posted on: 02/05/2010 18:23
I do believe in the concept of a soulmate, but a bit differently from others.
First of all I don't believe people necessarily have just one, not even necessarily in the romantic sense. My mother was married to my father for 20 years and they had two children together, yet after 8 years with my step-dad is happier than she, I would say, ever was with my dad; yet she and my dad are still close and supportive of one another. Which one is her soulmate? I believe they both are, in a way. Obviously both had very important parts to play in her life at very different times and in very different ways.
I also don't personally think 'soulmate' needs to have romantic connotations. I have a friend or two out there who 'get me' better than my husband does at times, with whom I have a phenomenal relationship. These are both men and women. While I truly believe my 'romantic soulmate' is my husband - and even if things ever end, he's my first adult relationship, the man I had children with and I've spent almost a decade of my life with him; he will always be important - I would still not trade any of these relationships one for another. They are all incredibly vital, and all have their place and purpose in my world.
redbaron338
Thanks, Sarah, for sharing.
Posted on: 02/05/2010 19:02
Thanks, Sarah, for sharing. And thanks all for your insights and thoughts. I have long suspected that soul mates, what or who ever they may be, are at least as much made as born. Anyone else think so?
jesouhaite777
Soulmate is a fairy tale term
Posted on: 02/05/2010 19:22
Soulmate is a fairy tale term that has caused people to pass up good relationships in their lives for something elusive and that does not exist ....
also i doubt that one soul mate can work for your entire life
no one and i mean no one is interesting for an entire lifetime . unless a person is severely limited in their abilities to recognize this ....
the general idea is someone who can boink your mind and your body .... like no one else can ....
airclean33
Soulmate I think your right
Posted on: 02/05/2010 20:33
Soulmate I think your right they are as much made as born. It sum times takes years. but when it's done you have no relationshit like it .when your cold at night you cuddle .chare the heat.sum times you reach out and touch. or just pat them on the head. Yes I got to tell you I do Love MY Dog. These keys I'm still trying to get used to them I ment my wonderf Wife.
Serena
I think soulmate is just a
Posted on: 02/05/2010 21:53
I think soulmate is just a poetic word. I think that relationships need to be worked on like my garden on facebook. If I do not water the flowers they die. I think if a relationship is not cared for it dies. Both parties need to do the watering.
The more I take care of the garden the bigger and prettier it gets and the more I like it.
I chose my garden and the plants just like one chooses their partner. There are days that I don't feel like taking care of my garden. It does not die instantly but it will eventually. I think if one or the other partner stops taking care of the relationship it dies.
So I stand by the word soulmate is a poetic expression that means the "only one I could ever love."
That being said the metaphor is not without limits. When you kiss someone and "all the stars in heaven do not shine" no amount of watering and fairy dust etc. will make a special relationship where there is not one. I do not think that is a soulmate connection because this presupposes that the connection can only be with one person and if that person is on the other side of the world you may never meet.
seeler
I think a soulmate might be a
Posted on: 02/05/2010 22:00
I think a soulmate might be a person who is on the same wave length as you are, who understands you, who knows your moods, who is sensitive to your needs and your wishes. I'm not sure such a relationship can happen over night, It seems to me that you would have to know each other for a long time, and grow together to be soulmates, and it doesn't happen to everyone. In fact I think it is quite rare. I think that many people have good relationships and make good marriages without finding soulmates. But it must be nice. (I don't necessarily think that a persons soulmate needs be her spouse or lover. I think it coudl be an old friend.)
boltupright
LOL!!! I'm sorry for laughing
Posted on: 02/05/2010 22:33
LOL!!! I'm sorry for laughing jes
I can't begin to express it to give it justice, but I believe I just found my soul mate only 4-5 months ago.
I felt love before, but this was different.
Very very potent, & more intense than I've felt before, it's quite alarming to me as I just have not felt a love this strong, wherther it's my love for her or the love I feel from her.
I feel very fortunate.
Bolt
gecko46
I agree with the above
Posted on: 02/06/2010 00:04
I agree with the above statement that a soul mate doesn't necessarily have to be one's spouse or lover, but a trusted friend that one has made a special connection with on a deeper level.
I say this because I have had both male and female soul mates.
My soul mates have been people who understand me often better than I understand myself.
They may be thousands of miles away, and although we haven't seen each other or talked in months, one day we connect by phone and it is as though we have never been apart.
You don't have to explain your feelings - when you are ecstatic about something, this person feels that emotion without explanation, likewise when you are sad. I've shared special times with a soul mate when neither of us had to speak, because we shared the same intense feelings and understood through a glance that we did.
I have a really nice quote somewhere that describes a soul mate. Maybe I will find it and share it here.
I hope some of the above makes sense.
gecko46
A question for you redbaron
Posted on: 02/06/2010 10:33
A question for you redbaron and anyone else....
What is the difference between a "kindred spirit" and a "soul mate"?
kaythecurler
Interesting topic and
Posted on: 02/06/2010 11:38
Interesting topic and interesting thoughts.
I think of soul mate more along the lines of a spiritual companion. An anum cara. Although I have a good relationship with my partner he isn't my true anum cara (could happen in some relationships I think).
My soul friend is an older woman who calls forth my light, points the way towards the healing of my wounds, sees what is good in me, loves me in the highest sense of that word.
jesouhaite777
means the same but without
Posted on: 02/06/2010 11:40
means the same but without the sex ....
redbaron338
Good question, Gecko, I'll
Posted on: 02/06/2010 13:28
Good question, Gecko, I'll try an answer. Kindred spirits may be a bit easier to find, because they may actually exist. When I hear the phrase 'soul mate', it conjures up images of palm readers, mystics and Tarot card readers. 'Soul mate' seems to have displaced the 'tall, dark, handsome stranger' of days of yore. Yet suddenly 'soul mates' seens to have taken on a life of its own. It seems to be everywhere. I was just curious as to what it actually meant for people. Peace, RB
boltupright
gecko46 wrote: A question for
Posted on: 02/06/2010 13:36
A question for you redbaron and anyone else....
What is the difference between a "kindred spirit" and a "soul mate"?
In scripture, it would seem as though the referance of man & woman as becoming one flesh in marriage, would also extend to David & Jonathan as being "one flesh" as far as being perhaps 'soul mates" without the sex, at least it doesn't referance David & Jonathan as ever being in this way "sexual".
At least, this is the only other place where it states this phrase in scripture, or the cannon, in this way as "being one flesh".
With regards to "best of friends".
Some may see this as a referance to homosexuality between the two, but that is very subjective.
Bolt
trishcuit
A God who condemns
Posted on: 02/06/2010 13:51
A God who condemns homosexuality would have had something to say if David and Jonathan had that nature of relationship. Just like David's relationship with Bathsheda. So the fact that God didn't express outrage over J and D' s friendship would suggest to me that nothing of the type was going on. Sounds more like 'bro-mance' to me.
boltupright
trishcuit wrote: A God who
Posted on: 02/06/2010 14:26
A God who condemns homosexuality would have had something to say if David and Jonathan had that nature of relationship. Just like David's relationship with Bathsheda. So the fact that God didn't express outrage over J and D' s friendship would suggest to me that nothing of the type was going on. Sounds more like 'bro-mance' to me.
Indeed! Did God have something to say about David & Bathsheba?
Perhaps God has something to say to us regarding a spiritual bond.
To be one flesh, does this mean a spiritual bond? That could be one way of looking at it.
For me, to be one flesh is yet short of being one Spirit with Father God.
Only the Father knows, when the bride is ready for the Groom.
Bolt
trishcuit
Did God have something to
Posted on: 02/06/2010 21:02
Did God have something to say about David & Bathsheba?
* * *
In 2 Samuel, the Lord sent Nathan to David to give him the 'what-for'. so yes, I guess he did in a round about way.
boltupright
trishcuit wrote: Did God
Posted on: 02/06/2010 21:26
Did God have something to say about David & Bathsheba?
* * *
In 2 Samuel, the Lord sent Nathan to David to give him the 'what-for'. so yes, I guess he did in a round about way.
trishcuit
Now I have the song from the
Posted on: 02/07/2010 14:21
Now I have the song from the Veggie Tales version of this story going through my head.
"Because I love my duck..."
SLJudds
I haven't found one yet, but
Posted on: 02/07/2010 23:07
I haven't found one yet, but I still believe in a soul mate. The ones who have come the closest with me had fur and tails.
boltupright
SLJudds wrote: I haven't
Posted on: 02/08/2010 10:16
I haven't found one yet, but I still believe in a soul mate. The ones who have come the closest with me had fur and tails.
Awe, that is sweet man, I love my pets too & I understand what you mean!
I hope you find someone, there realy isn't much that compares, I compare it to a deep love one finds in a very intense form of worshipful meditaion to God.
I find when I allow myself to get into that zone of worship, I get an intence uphoria, & feeling of connectedness with the Spirit of God.
This is a feeling I get somwhat with my soul mate.
When she is distant, it feels as though I can be closer by contimplating of our love.
I miss her when she is distant, but I never felt such a confidence in a love from another "human" like I do with my love of desires.
She is my love of desires, & I just know it's for real & forever.
Bolt
redbaron338
SLJudds wrote: I haven't
Posted on: 02/08/2010 12:01
I haven't found one yet, but I still believe in a soul mate. The ones who have come the closest with me had fur and tails.
Fur and a tail? You mean like EZ Ed?
redbaron338
If a shoe finds its matching
Posted on: 02/09/2010 08:43
If a shoe finds its matching shoe, does that make them sole mates?
ninjafaery
redbaron338 wrote: If a shoe
Posted on: 02/09/2010 09:12
If a shoe finds its matching shoe, does that make them sole mates?
Groaaaaaan!
trishcuit
ninjafaery wrote: redbaron338
Posted on: 02/09/2010 12:19
If a shoe finds its matching shoe, does that make them sole mates?
Groaaaaaan!
brutal! i haven't even had my coffee yet.
gecko46
Only if they are "tied"
Posted on: 02/09/2010 14:06
Only if they are "tied" together!
crazyheart
Uless they are a pair of
Posted on: 02/10/2010 10:13
Uless they are a pair of heels.
trishcuit
You guys are KILLING ME!!!
Posted on: 02/10/2010 12:39
You guys are KILLING ME!!!


Beloved
redbaron338 wrote: If a shoe
Posted on: 02/10/2010 12:47
If a shoe finds its matching shoe, does that make them sole mates?
I believe so
, as long as they continue to walk side by side.
Beloved
I've never really understood
Posted on: 02/10/2010 12:48
I've never really understood the term "soul mate" myself.
redbaron338
Join the club, Beloved,
Posted on: 02/10/2010 12:58
Join the club, Beloved, though thanks to the wisdom of all those who have written, I think I have a better grasp of what it means. Still not a term I'd use myself, but I can better understand why many use it. Thanks, all, for educating me. Happy LRCH Day to all.
SG
You folks make me laugh with
Posted on: 02/10/2010 13:35
You folks make me laugh with the corny stuff. LOL
I avoided this thread, but changed my mind.
I personally would never do the diservice to myself or past partners by doing the cliched "I never knew love before" or "I thought I was in love". I also know that having loved and been loved by more than one person that it is different with each person. I however never believed in the term soul mate.
Then, I met my wife.
I had loved with mind and heart, but not my soul. I had not found a place my soul was safe, until her. I likely cannot explain what I mean, but there are places we allow no other humans to tread. It was a place for only myself, God and pets who could not tell a soul. I invited her into that place. There was no fear, no shame, no worry about it ever being mentioned to another soul. It was as safe as confiding in prayer.
There is also a place where we are unselfish and pure and without ego and a few people, or animals, touch that place.
What PilgrimsProgress said struck a chord with me.
I likely never would have come to a place where I talked about my gender identity, but she held my soul safe and my soul knew it.
It was a deep, gut wreching and soul touching time.
Oh, the simple thing is would she, who identified as a lesbian, be ok if I came to the decision that I wanted my physique changed? But it went so much deeper than that. I cannot even begin to go as deep as it did.
We know some people who changing hormones their desire also changed... We also know those who when they become their gender do not want to date anyone who knew them as the other gender or that they want instead of a homosexual someone who ID's as heterosexual, making them feel somehow more fully transitioned.
We, all in the gushy love or the strong friendship, say "I would stay no matter what" and we do the "if you were paralyzed from the neck down" stuff or "I want you to be happy, no matter what"... Most times, thankfully, how far "no matter what" goes is not tested. In our case, it has been, a time or two.
She is a soul lover. More than her love touches my heart, my mind or my body, it touches my soul.
She wanted my happiness, even if it meant it was hard on her or if it meant losing me. In an "I may lose interest in you" scenario, she still wanted me to be happy.
In a health crisis, I know that she would do what I would want, whether she liked it or not, dreaded it or that it tore her up for years. Her love is so complex and so simple. I know my wishes would be respected, even when and if they conflict with hers.
I cannot put words on someone loving so deeply and so purely. Soul-mate? Definitely.
That all said, I do not believe there is only one person out there that is that for someone . I believe some never find it. Some have it and do not realize it. Some have the potential for it, but cannot be what they need to be or allow another to be it.... I also believe that some people do find it and a few people find it more than once in their lives.
carolla
That's a very touching
Posted on: 02/10/2010 13:43
That's a very touching tribute StevieG, and contributes to my understanding. Thanks.
jesouhaite777
Tres corny
Posted on: 02/10/2010 13:57
Tres corny
crazyheart
I hate to return to the puns
Posted on: 02/10/2010 14:05
I hate to return to the puns but I think soul mates talk with the same "tongues".
redbaron338
Where's LBmuskoka? She'd
Posted on: 02/10/2010 14:11
Where's LBmuskoka? She'd love the latter part of this discussion...
redbaron338
Thanks, StevieG, for your
Posted on: 02/10/2010 14:13
Thanks, StevieG, for your words and thoughts. Sounds like you truly have been blessed. Continued blessings for you.
boltupright
StevieG, that is a good
Posted on: 02/10/2010 14:19
StevieG, that is a good point.
The funny thing is with spirituality, one can see many things, & sometime we are presented with various forms of the spiritual.
They are not always good & or bad as the spiritual works much the same way as this world does within this world.
I equate a soul mate as one who will be a spiritual mate that has the same motivations within in a complete bond in this world, & beyond.
I believe my soul mate is hand picked by the hand of God for me, because He knows her innermost yearnings, & motives.
The thing with a union of flesh is that it could be corrupted in this world, but the spiritual bond goes beyond sexuality itself. For beyond the flesh of this world, there is no need for sexulal relations anymore.
What lies ahead is so far beyond any sex this world has to offer.
Bolt
Pilgrims Progress
StevieG wrote: She wanted my
Posted on: 02/10/2010 16:12
She wanted my happiness, even if it meant it was hard on her or if it meant losing me. In an "I may lose interest in you" scenario, she still wanted me to be happy.
Yes, that's a soul-mate.
Perhaps the silver lining on our suffering is an opportunity to discover our soul-mates. (It's a lot easier to think we've found our soul-mate when our love isn't tested by adversity.)
boltupright
Pilgrims Progress
Posted on: 02/10/2010 17:18
She wanted my happiness, even if it meant it was hard on her or if it meant losing me. In an "I may lose interest in you" scenario, she still wanted me to be happy.
Yes, that's a soul-mate.
Perhaps the silver lining on our suffering is an opportunity to discover our soul-mates. (It's a lot easier to think we've found our soul-mate when our love isn't tested by adversity.)
I don't mean to barge in here between good discussion.
I would think the adversity would prove such a concept of spiritual unity.
If we could look past our flesh & see the potential we Have through Godly instruction.
I believe a love such as this is a lesson in life just as all the loves one has in this world.
The love between a man & wife is one of a very special kind & serves as a very important principle to relate to.
To put a single name on love, do we not lower it to our level to us who have a lable?
Bolt
SG
Bolt, I think that it is
Posted on: 02/10/2010 17:31
Bolt,
I think that it is spiritual unity.
Not sure where you went from there, can you clarify?
Your "man and wife" language throws me, at times.
boltupright
StevieG wrote: Bolt, I
Posted on: 02/10/2010 17:42
Bolt,
I think that it is spiritual unity.
Not sure where you went from there, can you clarify?
Your "man and wife" language throws me, at times.
I understand, I think I do, honestly.
I am so sorry, but I've come to terms where i will not speak of my interpretations of what homosexuality is to me.
I use the man woman scenario purly for relational purpose from my perspective.
I cannot say whether or not one gets the same revelation through relationships whether they are gay, straight, or what ever.
So for me to allow discussion of my perception when I know there may not be an understanding of my motives.
I choose to remain quiet, so that God can remain doing the wonderful work in all of us, that He is doing, now, & just focus on that.
So let us just leave it at that.
Bolt
SG
Bolt, I was not trying to
Posted on: 02/10/2010 18:26
Bolt,
I was not trying to draw that discussion out. What my problem was, was understanding what you meant.
When some language is used, then I get lost.
Why? Well, for the same reason you use the language you do, personal perspective.
I don't use "flesh" language much. So, it can throw me. If you mean when we look past looks, attraction, stuff like that... we see something... then I can grasp that. That sentence you used though "If we could look past our flesh & see the potential we Have through Godly instruction." remains vague at best for me. Could you clarify?
"I believe a love such as this is a lesson in life just as all the loves one has in this world." Here, in this sentence, I am back with you. Loves, various loves (child parent, parnet-child, romantic love, friend love...) are all lessons in life.
"The love between a man & wife is one of a very special kind & serves as a very important principle to relate to." Here again I get lost, because you speak of your perspective and it does not include me. I do believe romantic or intimate love or covenanted love is a special kind. Yet, if am honest I cannot know when I am excluded if it is meant to exclude me or is a persepctive or if it means "man and woman is special and others are not". I do not want to go in circles with you, but you have to understand that if I talk about male-male, you will not know where you fit in what I am saying either.
"To put a single name on love, do we not lower it to our level to us who have a lable?"
I would say yes and no. I do not think there is one type of love. I would say that yes we are lowering it to our level, but we only work on our level. To God, are there different types of love? Yes. I don't think God confuses parental love for a child with love of a pet or love of a spouse. In a spiritual realm, I would say love is love. Am I clear as mud now?
boltupright
StevieG wrote: Bolt, I was
Posted on: 02/10/2010 21:45
Bolt,
I was not trying to draw that discussion out. What my problem was, was understanding what you meant.
Oh don't worry, I didn't think that at all, it just that it is inevitable in this discussion, however, I am so thankful we can talk like this, after our previous misunderstandings of the past.
Not as a flattery but you realy impress me.
When some language is used, then I get lost.
Don't feel bad, I get lost in it myself at times LOL.
Why? Well, for the same reason you use the language you do, personal perspective.
I don't use "flesh" language much. So, it can throw me. If you mean when we look past looks, attraction, stuff like that... we see something... then I can grasp that. That sentence you used though "If we could look past our flesh & see the potential we Have through Godly instruction." remains vague at best for me. Could you clarify?
Indeed, I didn't spend much time in school so I am lacking in correct english in some forms,
I read the bible alot so my writing style kind of reflects that to some degree.
My intended words are much like Paul's expression of the flesh, not outward appearance, or attraction, but inner yearnings & urges that challenge our enlightenment, to go beyond the flesh, & adopt the spiritual nature that Christ conscience can reveal in us first personally, then into the fray of collective thought word & deed. A total expression of the love of God globally.
"I believe a love such as this is a lesson in life just as all the loves one has in this world." Here, in this sentence, I am back with you. Loves, various loves (child parent, parnet-child, romantic love, friend love...) are all lessons in life.
Indeed, lessons in life more abundant.
"The love between a man & wife is one of a very special kind & serves as a very important principle to relate to." Here again I get lost, because you speak of your perspective and it does not include me. I do believe romantic or intimate love or covenanted love is a special kind. Yet, if am honest I cannot know when I am excluded if it is meant to exclude me or is a persepctive or if it means "man and woman is special and others are not". I do not want to go in circles with you, but you have to understand that if I talk about male-male, you will not know where you fit in what I am saying either.
You are so right.
You know what my perseption is already, my perseption has little importance you see.
It's all about your perseption.
I will not exclude a male + male or female + female love because of my perseption of the flesh, because I would be delving on the flesh when God expects me to focus on the Spirit of it.
Am I to make a judgement call on another's love? How can I possibly do this & not break all Golden principles<
I have absolutely no understanding of the GLBT community, so I should just not comment if I cannot relate.
I do relate to love though, at least I'm still learning.
I learned this & it took a bit of time but I'm so convinced of this.
"To put a single name on love, do we not lower it to our level to us who have a lable?"
I would say yes and no. I do not think there is one type of love. I would say that yes we are lowering it to our level, but we only work on our level. To God, are there different types of love? Yes. I don't think God confuses parental love for a child with love of a pet or love of a spouse. In a spiritual realm, I would say love is love. Am I clear as mud now?
Well if you are clear within yourself, it is good enough for me.
I believe love to be love too, but it is learned in many ways & there are many perseptions of love that can be seen as valid.
It's knowing the difference between good & evil that these many examples of love can be utlilized as our instruct of all that is God.
This is how I see it, anyways.
Bolt