Can Christians bring on the end times.
Posted on: 02/08/2010 17:13
Can Christians bring on the end times. There is still debate as to the reality of archetypal Jesus. There are many versions. Revelation says that at the end of days, we would basically have a number of Jesus’ to chose from and that the elect would be chosen by the one they choose. If you would count the number Jesus sects, you might agree that it looks like we are there right now, so the question of his reality is now redundant. I do not ask you this with disrespect but to make a point. How many wives in your sect if you follow Jesus? He also said that we would not recognize him. If you asked the real Jesus to stand up, and he did, we could only know him by his philosophy. Jesus is dead. Long live Jesus. Philosophy is the Holy Spirit that lives in Jesus, the Man God. This spirit can only be expressed by a man. Our first God was a man and our last God shall be as well. If Jesus cults, from the Vatican on down, would get on with it, Jesus could be here whenever they choose and then the power of God would be Here on earth. It is said that both Canada and the U S are Christian nations. I am a Religionist and follow a Godhead that is philosophically superior to Jesus. Believing this allows me to critique Jesus and his followers. Just as they critique other Religionists. What in Hell are you waiting for Jesus followers? Elect yourselves a Jesus. As Jesus said, the time off the end is at hand. Regards DL
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boltupright
I always wondered, why,
Posted on: 02/08/2010 18:24
I always wondered, why, myself included, have been always fixated on the image of Jesus the Christ?
Do we need proof He was a man? do we need to see his facial design & look at the color of His hair, to convince us of His humanity? Of His human condition that He too found Himself in, along with us.
Jesus made discoveries along the way, just as we do DL.
The fact is, He is a man & He will prove it to us, soon.
He will also prove that He is Messiah, & that He is Who the prophets have said He is.
Bolt
Northwind
Part of me thinks I will
Posted on: 02/08/2010 21:42
Part of me thinks I will ponder this.
The other part of me wonders what drugs you are on DL.
chansen
boltupright wrote: The fact
Posted on: 02/09/2010 10:24
The fact is, He is a man & He will prove it to us, soon.
How is He going to do that? Pee standing up?
boltupright
chansen wrote: boltupright
Posted on: 02/09/2010 10:35
The fact is, He is a man & He will prove it to us, soon.
How is He going to do that? Pee standing up?
Your humour is overshadowed by your ignorance. No offence, just an observation.
Bolt
Wonderingg
Well, I came back for a visit
Posted on: 02/09/2010 10:31
Well, I came back for a visit and am surprised to see that DL is still spewing his shallow, ignorant arguments. Nothing changes. Sigh...
Oh, and Bolt, the word you are looking for is humour.
boltupright
Thanks! Chansen probably
Posted on: 02/09/2010 10:37
chansen
boltupright wrote: chansen
Posted on: 02/09/2010 10:40
The fact is, He is a man & He will prove it to us, soon.
How is He going to do that? Pee standing up?
Your humour is overshadowed by your ignorance. No offence, just an observation.
Bolt
It's hard to be offended by being called ignorant by someone like yourself. I could try, but it would be in vain.
boltupright
I don't wish for you to try
Posted on: 02/09/2010 10:48
I don't wish for you to try chansen, no offence intended. Just an observation.
Bolt
Greatest I am
boltupright wrote: I always
Posted on: 02/11/2010 15:46
I always wondered, why, myself included, have been always fixated on the image of Jesus the Christ?
Do we need proof He was a man? do we need to see his facial design & look at the color of His hair, to convince us of His humanity? Of His human condition that He too found Himself in, along with us.
Jesus made discoveries along the way, just as we do DL.
The fact is, He is a man & He will prove it to us, soon.
He will also prove that He is Messiah, & that He is Who the prophets have said He is.
Bolt
Ya ya, soon. It has only been 2000 years.
A strange creator God who must die for his creations to save them.
This after he teaches that genocide is good justice.
Strange God indeed.
You can have that idiot.
Regards
DL
boltupright
Who said He "had" to
Posted on: 02/11/2010 16:03
Who said He "had" to die?
Bolt
Northwind
Greatest I Am wrote: Ya ya,
Posted on: 02/11/2010 16:12
Ya ya, soon. It has only been 2000 years.
A strange creator God who must die for his creations to save them.
This after he teaches that genocide is good justice.
Strange God indeed.
You can have that idiot.
Boy, you sure are fixated for someone who is not interested in "that idiot".
How did "that idiot" teach that mass genocide is good justice?
And you say you are not a literalist?
boltupright
Northwind wrote: Greatest I
Posted on: 02/11/2010 16:21
Ya ya, soon. It has only been 2000 years.
A strange creator God who must die for his creations to save them.
This after he teaches that genocide is good justice.
Strange God indeed.
You can have that idiot.
Boy, you sure are fixated for someone who is not interested in "that idiot".
How did "that idiot" teach that mass genocide is good justice?
And you say you are not a literalist?
Unfortunately, this is a problem, we focus on the error that is shown as literal truth & are confounded.
Why?
Because, all that the Spirit says to our hearts, contradicts that which people take as truth, when in fact it's design is to deceive us into believing a message of division, as if it's motive of love, when in fact, unity is the prime goal, & proof of Love.
For when unity is established, it is proof of acceptance of all that Unifies.
Bolt
Greatest I am
Let me be clear. As a
Posted on: 02/11/2010 17:57
Let me be clear. As a Religionist, I have a dislike of any that reduce the power and influence of those who have a belief in God. The worst offenders are literalists and fundamentalists. They take a good Bible and turn it into a poor book of fairy tales and cause things like the link below.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-8/episode-1/Further, they do a lot of harm to children as shown in the next two links.
Channel 4 - Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children
Jesus Camp 1of 9
Christians of today tend to believe some scriptures literally and some not so literally.
I can never tell where they are coming from in terms of beliefs till I challenge them on it.
This basically means that I am aggressive in my stance from the get go.
Take it or leave it.
Happily some of the more literal readers here have started to ignore me and my stance will eventually go to it’s more normal position.
I am a Deist and know that the Godhead is real.
I also know that the miracle working absentee God of scripture is not real.
If that one ever was, then he was either absorbed or destroyed by the big bang.
Regards
DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhjIlhAShuU&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1Greatest I am
Northwind wrote: Greatest I
Posted on: 02/11/2010 18:02
Ya ya, soon. It has only been 2000 years.
A strange creator God who must die for his creations to save them.
This after he teaches that genocide is good justice.
Strange God indeed.
You can have that idiot.
Boy, you sure are fixated for someone who is not interested in "that idiot".
How did "that idiot" teach that mass genocide is good justice?
And you say you are not a literalist?
That idiot and his message that genocide is good has been given to me by literalist and fundamentals.
start a topic in any place where they hang out and find out for yourself.
Even as we speak, they are praying for the end time so that their genocidal maniac can come again and genocide us again.
They are waiting to applaud our death. Nice religionists eh.
Regards
DL
match3frog.
Christ is 100% human. Christ
Posted on: 02/11/2010 20:11
Christ is 100% human. Christ is 100% God.
Some day He will return. He will raise up all the dead and give to all Christians eternal life.
boltupright
I guess it depends on one's
Posted on: 02/11/2010 21:40
I guess it depends on one's motives I guess, either we bring on the end times, or we bring on the new beginnings.
How does one wish to see it, or understand it?
Bolt
Northwind
GIA/DL, you still have not
Posted on: 02/12/2010 01:22
GIA/DL, you still have not disclosed what drugs you are taking.
chansen
Aquila/match3frog wrote,
Posted on: 02/12/2010 01:35
Aquila/match3frog wrote, "Some day He will return. He will raise up all the dead and give to all Christians eternal life", and you're asking GIA about his drug habits?
Northwind
chansen
Posted on: 02/12/2010 01:45
Aquila/match3frog wrote, "Some day He will return. He will raise up all the dead and give to all Christians eternal life", and you're asking GIA about his drug habits?
Okay, so it would be nice to hear about the frog's drug habits too.
boltupright
Northwind wrote: chansen
Posted on: 02/12/2010 03:41
Aquila/match3frog wrote, "Some day He will return. He will raise up all the dead and give to all Christians eternal life", and you're asking GIA about his drug habits?
Okay, so it would be nice to hear about the frog's drug habits too.
Great comeback!!! I notice no question mark there, is that intentional? LOL
Bolt
stardust
GIA O.K. fine...you don't
Posted on: 02/12/2010 05:36
GIA
O.K. fine...you don't believe in God as depicted in the bible. Does it make you feel grandeur.....holier than thou....to call God and Jesus all sorts of names like idiot? I take a very strong exception to this name calling. You are Gnostic....fine...I know Gnostic....but I have a very hard time seeing God within you which Gnostic stands for.
Are you sure God is within you? Your God is fighting with the God of the bible? Why is your God fighting? Does your God want first place? Indeed...your God must be a jealous God like the God of the Old T.? No better, perhaps?
There's a saying: "Whom the gods would destroy they first drive mad......."
Each person has their own beliefs. You cannot and you do not control the world. Other
people's beliefs are as good as yours. This God of the Jews is no more ugly than the God within you....whatever that God is.
Greatest I am
match3frog.
Posted on: 02/13/2010 13:09
God is 100% God.
You make Jesus higher than God.
Did God not say, though shall place no one above me.
You break the first commandment.
Regards
DL
Christ is 100% human. Christ is 100% God.
Some day He will return. He will raise up all the dead and give to all Christians eternal life.
Greatest I am
boltupright wrote: I guess it
Posted on: 02/13/2010 13:10
I guess it depends on one's motives I guess, either we bring on the end times, or we bring on the new beginnings.
How does one wish to see it, or understand it?
Bolt
End time is a new beginning.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
stardust wrote: GIA O.K.
Posted on: 02/13/2010 13:22
GIA
O.K. fine...you don't believe in God as depicted in the bible. Does it make you feel grandeur.....holier than thou....to call God and Jesus all sorts of names like idiot? I take a very strong exception to this name calling. You are Gnostic....fine...I know Gnostic....but I have a very hard time seeing God within you which Gnostic stands for.
Are you sure God is within you? Your God is fighting with the God of the bible? Why is your God fighting? Does your God want first place? Indeed...your God must be a jealous God like the God of the Old T.? No better, perhaps?
There's a saying: "Whom the gods would destroy they first drive mad......."
Each person has their own beliefs. You cannot and you do not control the world. Other
people's beliefs are as good as yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1
Channel 4 - Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-8/epi...
Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhjIlhAShuU&feature=related
If these beliefs are as good as mine then have me committed please.
I must be as evil and stupid as man or woman can get.
Think again for the first time and fight evil.
I try to. If you are not helping then you are hurting.
Regards
DL
match3frog.
Greatest I am wrote: You make
Posted on: 02/13/2010 13:43
You make Jesus higher than God.
Saying that Jesus is God doesn't make Jesus higher than God.
Actually, I can't make Jesus anything. Jesus is the one whom He is.
"Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!'" - John 8:58 (NLT)
blackbelt
Greatest I am wrote: stardust
Posted on: 02/13/2010 13:50
GIA
O.K. fine...you don't believe in God as depicted in the bible. Does it make you feel grandeur.....holier than thou....to call God and Jesus all sorts of names like idiot? I take a very strong exception to this name calling. You are Gnostic....fine...I know Gnostic....but I have a very hard time seeing God within you which Gnostic stands for.
Are you sure God is within you? Your God is fighting with the God of the bible? Why is your God fighting? Does your God want first place? Indeed...your God must be a jealous God like the God of the Old T.? No better, perhaps?
There's a saying: "Whom the gods would destroy they first drive mad......."
Each person has their own beliefs. You cannot and you do not control the world. Other
people's beliefs are as good as yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhjIlhAShuU&feature=related
If these beliefs are as good as mine then have me committed please.
I must be as evil and stupid as man or woman can get.
well i for one dont think your evil DL, just very stupid
boltupright
Greatest I am
Posted on: 02/13/2010 15:06
God is 100% God.
You make Jesus higher than God.
Did God not say, though shall place no one above me.
You break the first commandment.
Regards
DL
Christ is 100% human. Christ is 100% God.
Some day He will return. He will raise up all the dead and give to all Christians eternal life.
I recognize this voice, alas Keep talking, brother.
boltupright
Greatest I am
Posted on: 02/13/2010 15:12
GIA
O.K. fine...you don't believe in God as depicted in the bible. Does it make you feel grandeur.....holier than thou....to call God and Jesus all sorts of names like idiot? I take a very strong exception to this name calling. You are Gnostic....fine...I know Gnostic....but I have a very hard time seeing God within you which Gnostic stands for.
Are you sure God is within you? Your God is fighting with the God of the bible? Why is your God fighting? Does your God want first place? Indeed...your God must be a jealous God like the God of the Old T.? No better, perhaps?
There's a saying: "Whom the gods would destroy they first drive mad......."
Each person has their own beliefs. You cannot and you do not control the world. Other
people's beliefs are as good as yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhjIlhAShuU&feature=related
If these beliefs are as good as mine then have me committed please.
I must be as evil and stupid as man or woman can get.
Think again for the first time and fight evil.
I try to. If you are not helping then you are hurting.
Regards
DL
Channel 4 - Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children
Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-8/epi...
False assumptions. You have been fed a lie like many.including myself.
Bolt
Greatest I am
match3frog. wrote: Greatest I
Posted on: 02/13/2010 15:17
You make Jesus higher than God.
Saying that Jesus is God doesn't make Jesus higher than God.
Actually, I can't make Jesus anything. Jesus is the one whom He is.
"Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!'" - John 8:58 (NLT)
Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Regards
DL
boltupright
Greatest I am
Posted on: 02/13/2010 15:20
You make Jesus higher than God.
Saying that Jesus is God doesn't make Jesus higher than God.
Actually, I can't make Jesus anything. Jesus is the one whom He is.
"Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!'" - John 8:58 (NLT)
Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Regards
DL
You are a testimony of great things DL, It is about time you saw youself as God sees you.
Bolt
Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
RevJamesMurray
The end times have already
Posted on: 02/13/2010 18:42
The end times have already started. The jubilee has already been proclaimed.
Greatest I am
boltupright
Posted on: 02/14/2010 15:37
You make Jesus higher than God.
Saying that Jesus is God doesn't make Jesus higher than God.
Actually, I can't make Jesus anything. Jesus is the one whom He is.
"Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!'" - John 8:58 (NLT)
Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Regards
DL
You are a testimony of great things DL, It is about time you saw youself as God sees you.
Bolt
Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
Thanks.
Regards
DL
consumingfire V3.0
Greatest I am
Posted on: 02/15/2010 09:35
You make Jesus higher than God.
Saying that Jesus is God doesn't make Jesus higher than God.
Actually, I can't make Jesus anything. Jesus is the one whom He is.
"Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!'" - John 8:58 (NLT)
Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Regards
DL
You are a testimony of great things DL, It is about time you saw youself as God sees you.
Bolt
Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
Thanks.
Regards
DL
gia will never see himself as God sees him......a blasphemous idolater. Hard words, I know. But you see bolt, I have been sent with a message as well, and must proclaim it just as you must proclaim yours.
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright
Posted on: 02/15/2010 09:54
You make Jesus higher than God.
Saying that Jesus is God doesn't make Jesus higher than God.
Actually, I can't make Jesus anything. Jesus is the one whom He is.
"Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!'" - John 8:58 (NLT)
Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Regards
DL
You are a testimony of great things DL, It is about time you saw youself as God sees you.
Bolt
Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
Thanks.
Regards
DL
gia will never see himself as God sees him......a blasphemous idolater. Hard words, I know. But you see bolt, I have been sent with a message as well, and must proclaim it just as you must proclaim yours.
Yeah I know.
Many will see me as antichrist.
If only one would know just How cunning the serpent is.
We are far more blessed with knowlege & understanding than all creation that we know of, at this point.
Yet we allow one who crawls on his belly in shame to lie to us, & worst of ALL, trust his words over God's Words.
Let He who has knowlege & understanding of such things, hear what the Holy Spirit says to the Church.
Bolt
I do not trust ANY words but God's alone.
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright wrote: Indeed, &
Posted on: 02/15/2010 10:06
Indeed, & you Will Know Them Buy the Fruit it bears.
Bolt
I know them because they are the true and pure words of God Almighty.
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright wrote: Really? So
Posted on: 02/15/2010 10:17
Really? So How is it all working out for you so far?
Bolt
Pretty good, actually. I certainly have no complaints.
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright
Posted on: 02/15/2010 10:37
Really? So How is it all working out for you so far?
Pretty good, actually. I certainly have no complaints.
That is all a son of man could ask. then.
Bolt
It's not about me. It is about God and His glory.
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright wrote: It is
Posted on: 02/15/2010 10:51
It is about ALL.
Will you hear a voice that has called you since you were a child?
Do you not recognize these Words?
Bolt
No. It is all about God.
Of course I heard God's calling me. As part of God's elect, I have no choice BUT to hear.
Do I recognize the true and pure words of God the Father? Absolutely I do.
consumingfire V3.0
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Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:05
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consumingfire V3.0
boltupright wrote: It is
Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:08
It is about All, because the separation that needs to take place, will indeed come to pass.
& God would not have any perish.
If it is only about God & all about him we would be lableing him antichrist you see.
Does anyone recognize the message then, because the voice of a good shepard escapes you.
But not all who read these Words.
Some realize that these Words are above ALL of us, including myself.
This is what convinced me.
Bolt
bolt, none of this makes any sense at all. Not becuase I don't "understand", it quite literally makes no sense. It is nonsensical rambling.
match3frog.
boltupright wrote:Let He who
Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:17
Amen, bolt! Amen indeed!
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright wrote: The cannon
Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:18
The cannon has been corrupted to a degree that is such a flipside to salvation, that it is the abomination of desolations.
This I say unto you.
The antichrist is not a man. Just as Jesus the Christ is not God, for this is where antichist gets his power & authority.
This is a message of liberation from all fears & delivered without any fear what so ever, Why?
Because I'm sent.
Now, the choice is really up to you, who God promotes, is who God promotes, & heaven help me if I ever try to stand in the way of Almighty God.
He has in no small way whatsoever, expressed that I am ready for war.
I have delivered a war cry of a kind that the ear of man cannot fathom as words of knowlege.
Only those of our enemy knows of this language that carries a resonance that will shake the very foundations of not only the church, but this earth as we now know it.
These Words are as briiliance of the sun, yet they come from the mouth of a man who "was" corrupted.
This is where the real message is.
The war is "Not" with you, but with powers & principalities of a kind that offer only ruin.
You of little faith.
God wshes to promote you now & you scoff Him to scorn.
I will never do this in the sight of God let alone man.
So who is it? That you say that I am?
Bolt
Meh.
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright wrote: You are
Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:21
You are indeed a son of God!
I am A son of God, yes. THE Son of God, I am not.
match3frog.
boltupright wrote:The Spirit
Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:26
Whose goal, bolt? If it is a goal which God has for the future, then it will be accomplished. And why do you think God would stop at just what is alive?
"And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, 'Teacher, rebuke your disciples.' He answered, 'I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.'" - Luke 19: 39 - 50 (ESV) (emphasis mine)
consumingfire V3.0
boltupright
Posted on: 02/15/2010 11:53
You are indeed a son of God!
I am A son of God, yes. THE Son of God, I am not.
If you see me as God, you are in error, are you not?
Then why put a man who sins, at the very alter of God, when he simply sit's at his right beside Him, when there is only One God & there is non except Him.
God promotes who He promotes, yet He puts a man at his right, who is it, that once stood at his left?
Do you know?
Was it me? perhaps.
The Trinity is a mockery, just as the shed blood used to cleanse is a mockery. We have been decieved with a deception that is far beyond us & is why it is so necissary for intervention.
I once had mind to allow God to do all the work, which essentially He does all the works.
I just didn't allow Him to do that which He had planned from His foundations.
Not in me, anyways.
Jesus, or whoever one wishes to put before the word that describes Christ conscience, is the error that gives power to deception.
We are to put the word Christ before our names, & see God do wonderous things before us, & beside us.infront, above, but never behind. for this is why time was an issue in creation.
Bolt
So now you are following in gia's foot prints and descending into blasphemy. Good job, bolt.
Jesus did not sin. He was tempted in every way, and yet was without sin. You seem to have lost sight of certain facts and have let gia poison your mind.
The Trinity is NOT a mockery, nor is Christ's blood. You mock God, bolt, when you spew such garbage from your mouth.
match3frog.
consumingfire V3.0 wrote: The
Posted on: 02/15/2010 12:02
The Trinity is NOT a mockery, nor is Christ's blood. You mock God, bolt, when you spew such garbage from your mouth.
Well said brother.
Here is from the Athanasian Creed: "And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, Neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost... He therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity, Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe faithfully the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Northwind
Bolt, you sound like you
Posted on: 02/15/2010 12:13
Bolt, you sound like you believe you are the Christ. Or the anti-christ. You need help.
match3frog.
boltupright wrote:You call me
Posted on: 02/15/2010 12:15
God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
.
Huh?
If what you are dishing out is faith and self-esteem I believe I will opt for the no-thank-you portion.
boltupright
Northwind wrote: Bolt, you
Posted on: 02/15/2010 12:19
Bolt, you sound like you believe you are the Christ. Or the anti-christ. You need help.
Yes I do. I need & desperately want all your help here, for I'm not God, I am Christ conscience.
We are the Key, not one man if we should be so bold as to stand as one man.
We will prove the error in scripture that man presents, & prove the love that is presented to us within scripture by eveidence of the new baptism, that is without spot or wrinkle.
Bolt
boltupright
God would not send me here if
Posted on: 02/15/2010 12:23
God would not send me here if there were no fellow soldiers of peace here.
I will see a doctor, but don't be surpize if this doctor comes to you & say.
What mannor of man is this?For all the manuals man has written of the human mind escapes this man & he sees as though he is a son of God.
Bolt