StephenBoothoot
Christians/Christianity persecuted.
Posted on: 04/08/2012 22:45
some say Christians/Christianity is the most persecuted religen, i believe Judaism is number 2.
not sure.
it sures seems that people can mock Christians and Christianity without concern, what if we mock islam? will there be concern?.
seems to be a double standard forming even in the west, what do you think?
enough about us.
lets look globally.
from wikipedia
Persecution of Christians as a consequence of professing their faith can be traced both historically and in the current era. Early Christians were persecuted for their faith, at the hands of both Jews from whose religion Christianity arose, and the Roman Empire which controlled much of the land early Christianity was distributed across. This continued from the 1st century until the early 4th, when the religion was legalized by Constantine I. Michael Gaddis wrote:
The Christian experience of violence during the pagan persecutions shaped the ideologies and practices that drove further religious conflicts over the course of the fourth and fifth centuries... The formative experience of martyrdom and persecution determined the ways in which later Christians would both use and experience violence under the Christian empire. Discourses of martyrdom and persecution formed the symbolic language through which Christians represented, justified, or denounced the use of violence."[1]
Christian missionaries as well as the neophytes that they converted to Christianity have been the target of persecution, many times to the point of being martyred for their faith. There is also a history of individual Christian denominations suffering persecution at the hands of other Christians under the charge of heresy, particularly during the 16th century Protestant Reformation.
In the 20th century, Christians have been persecuted by Muslim groups, and by atheistic states such as the USSR and North Korea. Currently (as of 2010), as estimated by the Christian missionary organisation Open Doors UK, an estimated 1 million Christians face persecution, particularly in Muslim dominated countries like, Iran and Saudi Arabia.They also face persecution in atheistic states like North Korea in which there is no religious freedom for any religion.[2] A recent study, cited by the Vatican, reported that 75 out of every 100 people killed due to religious hatred were Christian.[3][4]
for some youtube vides on Christian persecution.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=christian+persecution&nfpr=0
othe relatable links
http://www.christianpersecution.info/
http://www.persecutionblog.com/christian_persecution/
Comments
chansen
Posted on: 04/08/2012 22:57
Yes, Christians and Christianity are persecuted in the West, but there is hope. Perhaps one day, a Christian will be Prime Minister of Canada. Or maybe even a Christian President of the United States! Wouldn't that be something? A day when all Christians can realize the dream of attaining the highest office in the land....
Keep the dream alive, StephenBoothoot.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/08/2012 23:17
Yes, Christians and Christianity are persecuted in the West, but there is hope. Perhaps one day, a Christian will be Prime Minister of Canada. Or maybe even a Christian President of the United States! Wouldn't that be something? A day when all Christians can realize the dream of attaining the highest office in the land....
Keep the dream alive, StephenBoothoot.
well, you have jokes, i would actually prefer to look at the realities globally.
when are you going to call me, i hope you do, i want u to hear my tone of voice, maybe then , my posts wont be understood, in , your own? and i hope you will realize behind this account is a real person who is affected by such abuses as you seem to display towards some of the more 'conservative' members of the faith.
you really just made the point for this thread, look at what happened, here in a Christian enviroment, to one who is expressing concerns of their faith.
have you not just mocked it?
man, you guys dont let up huh?
anyway, theres a little pudding for you.
flagged.
MC jae
Posted on: 04/08/2012 23:37
Christians are persecuted in many parts of the world. Not all that much in North America though. Where I am right now, South Korea, is a very Christian nation. The largest church in the world is here. I believe the world will become more and more Christian as the Gospel is spread throughout the world prior to the second coming of Christ. New people accept Jesuis every day so there is great hope.
chansen
Posted on: 04/08/2012 23:53
Christians are persecuted in many parts of the world. Not all that much in North America though. Where I am right now, South Korea, is a very Christian nation. The largest church in the world is here. I believe the world will become more and more Christian as the Gospel is spread throughout the world prior to the second coming of Christ. New people accept Jesuis every day so there is great hope.
Your problem you have, is the young people think you're nuts and they're tuning you out. The educated ones are especially concerned for the state of mind of Christians and are steering clear. The numbers in Europe are staggering. In Canada, it's looking incredibly positive as young adults are dropping Christianity like never before. The new census data should prove very interesting.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:01
so it's harder for someone like me to mock it, because I haven't had a lifetime of people trying to sell it to me.
or becuase you wil get banned if you 'cross the line' , such as by drawing a picture of mohammed and suggesting others do the same.
it becomes persecution when the mockery is targeted at those within a group for the beliefs of the group.
thats my opinon.
what does being in teh majority have to do with persecutions happening? it only takes one to persecute many.
anyway, i flagged that post too.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/08/2012 23:59
Christians are persecuted in many parts of the world. Not all that much in North America though. Where I am right now, South Korea, is a very Christian nation. The largest church in the world is here. I believe the world will become more and more Christian as the Gospel is spread throughout the world prior to the second coming of Christ. New people accept Jesuis every day so there is great hope.
Your problem you have, is the young people think you're nuts and they're tuning you out. The educated ones are especially concerned for the state of mind of Christians and are steering clear. The numbers in Europe are staggering. In Canada, it's looking incredibly positive as young adults are dropping Christianity like never before. The new census data should prove very interesting.
actually today, someone was telling me of how the athiests are dropping in numbers and diffewrent faiths is growing, mostly Christianity and islam.
maybe a objective third party data?
i think Christianity gains about 150,000 a day?
no? thats wrong? right? your the stats man, lets have it, present it from Christianity based group, a athiest based group and the same stats from a third party (wiki, government) rather than just talk.
it doesnt mattter if you percieve youth as not being 'religeous' , being 'youth' isnt required for one to join the numbers of Christianity, and i dont think the 'youth' have always been the strongest age group for those who 'convert' has it?
sour eh sport?
chansen
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:18
I've already posted statistics, multiple times. I'm pretty sure the last time was to you. You won't listen to anything that you don't agree with, so there's little point trying again. Everyone else here knows that religious services are shrinking, and they aren't holding on to the teens and young adults, and this isn't just within the UCCan. There are stories about the decline in Christianity.
It has nothing to do with my perception or yours. The demographics of faith are eye-opening.
GordW
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:20
chansen,
that may be true in N America and Western Europe. But globally the picture is different. Maybe the 2 of you should decide which stats you are using. Rememb ering of course that Mark Twain said there were 3 types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
chansen
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:25
I agree. In North America and Europe, Christianity is in a tailspin. It thrives in areas with poor education systems. Education is the key to reducing religion and religious influence. The Internet has also been instrumental in organizing and distributing the arguments against religion.
GordW
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:27
Education and religion are not nearly so tightly linked as you like to claim....
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:31
Mark Twain said there were 3 types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics
okay, thats funny.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:34
the ucc seems to be havig some issues for a long time, or is this presentaion off base?
note: i dont like his closing comment, as it is, i dont think it is sincere, the issue is not funny.
MC jae
Posted on: 04/09/2012 00:37
Your problem you have, is the young people think you're nuts and they're tuning you out. The educated ones are especially concerned for the state of mind of Christians and are steering clear. The numbers in Europe are staggering. In Canada, it's looking incredibly positive as young adults are dropping Christianity like never before. The new census data should prove very interesting.
Problem? No.
If it's true, that's our challenge.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:43
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:48
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:50
well, cartoons are cartoons, why dont you read up on some of the realities relayed in the OP.
i like how the 'voice of reason' is portrayed in contrast to the Christian.
again, some proof in the pudding.
thanks for ignorant contribution, it quite lines up with the issue.
stereotyping 101.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:49
The only people foolish enough to say that Christians are the most persecuted, are some Christians.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:54
The only people foolish enough to say that Christians are the most persecuted, are some Christians.
and wikipedia and many other sourced im sure.
watch the news much?
let me know when you see some Christians citizens band together and burn down a mosque and kill many inside.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:51
If you don't wish to be ridiculed, stop being ridiculous
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:55
If you don't wish to be ridiculed, stop being ridiculous
no new material?, it has been a while. i figured your imagination would have helped you come up with more interesting zingers than that old one. i was hoping to look at it with a global perspective.
pretty lame.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:55
Yes I do watch the news much, and what I see is people who need to be persecuted, in order to fulfill the scripture that says real Christians will be persecuted. Problem is, how do you find persecution when you're the ones doing most of it? How do you find persecution in a world dominated by you?
Well you just make it up...
Trust me, as a member of a faith that has suffered real, actual, tangible persecution for many years at the hands of "true" Christians, I know just how CHanson feels when he hears the likes of you dripping and moaning about being "persecuted".
"Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh you're being intolerant of Christians by not tolerating my intolerance. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!"
You are pathetic.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:56
a commentary for consideration from got questions.org
How should a Christian respond to persecution?
Question: "How should a Christian respond to persecution?"
Answer: There’s no doubt that persecution is a stark reality of living the Christian life. The apostle Paul warned us that “everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” (2 Timothy 3:12). Jesus told us to expect persecution from the world because if they persecuted Him, they will persecute His followers also. Jesus has made it very clear to us that those of the world will hate us because they hate Him. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world which is why they hate and persecute us (John 15:18-19). Christians are, or should be, influenced by different principles from those of the world. We are motivated by the love of God and holiness, while the world is driven by the love of sin. It is our very separation from the world that arouses the world's animosity toward us. The world would prefer that we were like them; since we are not, they hate us (1 Peter 4:3-4).
As faithful Christians, we must learn to recognize the value of persecution and even to rejoice in it, not in an ostentatious way, but quietly and humbly because persecution has great spiritual value. First, persecution allows us to share in a unique fellowship with our Lord. In his letter to the Philippians, Paul outlined a number of things he surrendered for the cause of Christ. Such losses, however, he viewed as “rubbish” (Philippians 3:8), or “dung” (KJV), that he might share in the “fellowship of [Christ’s] sufferings” (Philippians 3:10). The noble apostle even counted his chains as a grace (favor) which God had bestowed upon him (Philippians 1:7).
Second, in all truth, persecution is good for us. James argues that trials test our faith, work or develop (endurance) in our lives, and help develop maturity (James 1:2-4). For as steel is tempered in the flames of the forge, trials and persecution serve to hone down those rough edges that tarnish our character. Yielding graciously to persecution allows one to demonstrate that he is of a superior quality than his adversaries. It’s easy to be hateful, but an ugly disposition throws a light upon our human weakness. It is much more Christ-like to remain calm and to respond in kindness in the face of evil opposition. Without question this is a tremendous challenge, but we have the power of the Holy Spirit within us and the wonderful example of the Lord to encourage us. Peter says of Jesus, “When they hurled their insults at Him, He did not retaliate; when He suffered, He made no threats. Instead, He entrusted Himself to Him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:23).
Third, persecution enables us to value the support of true friends. Conflict sometimes brings faithful children of God together in an encouraging and supportive way they might not have known otherwise. Hardship can stimulate the Lord’s people toward a greater resolve to love and comfort one another and lift one another to the throne of grace in prayer. There’s nothing like an unpleasant incident to help the more mature rise toward a greater level of brotherly love.
So, when we think about it seriously, we can move ourselves forward, even in the face of antagonism, whether from the world or within the church, and press on. We can thank God for His grace and for His patience with us. We can express gratitude for those whom we love in the Lord and who stand with us in times of distress. And we can pray for those who would accuse, misuse, or abuse us (2 Corinthians 11:24; Romans 10:1).
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 03:56
"How should a Christian respond to persecution?"
Stop doing it.
MC jae
Posted on: 04/09/2012 04:00
Really, isn't arguing over whose religion is more persecuted than whose just a little bit silly and wrong? Who cares whose religion is more persecuted. No such persecution of any kind should take place. It doesn't matter whose is hit the most.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 04:00
Yes I do watch the news much, and what I see is people who need to be persecuted, in order to fulfill the scripture that says real Christians will be persecuted. Problem is, how do you find persecution when you're the ones doing most of it? How do you find persecution in a world dominated by you?
Well you just make it up...
Trust me, as a member of a faith that has suffered real, actual, tangible persecution for many years at the hands of "true" Christians, I know just how CHanson feels when he hears the likes of you dripping and moaning about being "persecuted".
"Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh you're being intolerant of Christians by not tolerating my intolerance. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!"
You are pathetic.
im actually wanting to address those that are killed, treated as foireigners in their own country, and are tortured and such for having Christian faith, and such issues.
viewer discretion advised.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 04:03
Really, isn't arguing over whose religion is more persecuted than whose just a little bit silly and wrong? Who cares whose religion is more persecuted. No such persecution of any kind should take place. It doesn't matter whose is hit the most.
as you can see, some awareness may have value.
i never wanted to confuse the issue between faiths, im just presenting things as i was told about today in a exploritory way.
im going to cry now. i watched a video.
later.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 04:13
let me know when you see some Christians citizens band together and burn down a mosque
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/03/2012312214339519153.html
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/mosques_in_us...
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6814690.html
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2012/03/07/burned-wichita-mosque-to-be-...
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2012/04/03/uk-police-investigate-mosque...
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/08/man_a...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/02/burned-wichita-mosque-was-targe...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mosque-hindu-worship-center-among-multip...
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/11/10/arson-attack-on-mosque-in-ea...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6900129/Mosque-burned-to-th...
Those are only from the last year... I could go on.. and on... and on...
MC jae
Posted on: 04/09/2012 05:11
"How should a Christian respond to persecution?"
Stop doing it.
Wise words Witch. I would expand them to include more than just Christians though.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 05:26
let me know when you see some Christians citizens band together and burn down a mosque
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/03/2012312214339519153.html
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/mosques_in_us...
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6814690.html
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2012/03/07/burned-wichita-mosque-to-be-...
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2012/04/03/uk-police-investigate-mosque...
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/08/man_a...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/02/burned-wichita-mosque-was-targe...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mosque-hindu-worship-center-among-multip...
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/11/10/arson-attack-on-mosque-in-ea...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6900129/Mosque-burned-to-th...
Those are only from the last year... I could go on.. and on... and on...
i checked the first link.
i didnt bother looking at more after that fail.
it doesnt speak of the perpetrator as being a Christian.
lets not start blaming all attacks on faith groups that are non-Christian as being done by a Christian with faith related motivations.
some people dont like muslims that are not Christian probably.
well just call that a fail.
if you would like to point a link in peticular ill look at it.
graeme
Posted on: 04/09/2012 10:12
All people are persecuted - for religion, race, social class, and on. I would guess that the least persecuted people in the world are white, upper middle class Christians.
Generally, people get persecuted not so much for having a faith but for practicing it. By that standard, too, white, middle class Christians are pretty safe.
graeme
Posted on: 04/09/2012 10:12
All people are persecuted - for religion, race, social class, and on. I would guess that the least persecuted people in the world are white, upper middle class Christians.
Generally, people get persecuted not so much for having a faith but for practicing it. By that standard, too, white, middle class Christians are pretty safe.
StephenBoothoot
Posted on: 04/09/2012 10:24
so it's harder for someone like me to mock it, because I haven't had a lifetime of people trying to sell it to me.
or becuase you wil get banned if you 'cross the line' , such as by drawing a picture of mohammed and suggesting others do the same.
Here's one I didn't draw that takes aim at both religions evenly. Hope this makes you happier:
it becomes persecution when the mockery is targeted at those within a group for the beliefs of the group.
thats my opinon.
If you believe in and promote ridiculous things, you're gonna get ridiculed. The bible, in a stroke of genius, even tells you so. Ask unsafe - she has the passage bookmarked so she can quote it to me in 5 seconds or less.
what does being in teh majority have to do with persecutions happening? it only takes one to persecute many.
anyway, i flagged that post too.
Christians don't just occupy a majority in Canada and the US - they occupy the vast majority of the positions of power as well. Despite what you think, people not sitting back and putting up with your bullshit isn't persecution - it's opposition. To you, opposition looks like persection, and I don't know why that is.
Maybe you want to be persecuted. If so, you'll have to move.
yeah, well , the global issue is not about me.
persecutions come in many forms.
i agree we in this part of the world are well protected physical harm.
imagine if we werent.
ps flagged your profanity in cartoon
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/09/2012 10:49
well well well .... Stephenbooth is back....
Seems not much has changed.....
Would someone please give him his persecution badge????
Now .... if the title had been "Christians/Christianity .... the most presecuting" ...now that would have made for a very interesting discussion!
Regards
Rita
airclean33
Posted on: 04/09/2012 11:13
Hi Chansen --Good morning old friend. I was thinking of a joke , about atheists . I hope you don;t take it as against you , as I know you like a good joke . Do you know why an atheists won;t talk to another atheists? It's because atheists don't believe in anything. So both thinks the others not there.HA HA. So now about our children , not walking in the way of the Lord. You have children my friend , just wait and see , as they grow and are young . They will not want any thing to do with what you want .It will start with our music and then look out.
Not all children though Chansen. There still are many who walk with GOD. But we Christians have Gods word to look at. This is it. ----------------------------------------
You have a nice day-------------------------------airclean33
chansen
Posted on: 04/09/2012 11:27
Hi Chansen --Good morning old friend. I was thinking of a joke , about atheists . I hope you don;t take it as against you , as I know you like a good joke . Do you know why an atheists won;t talk to another atheists? It's because atheists don't believe in anything. So both thinks the others not there.HA HA.
I encourage you to work on your delivery.
So now about our children , not walking in the way of the Lord. You have children my friend , just wait and see , as they grow and are young . They will not want any thing to do with what you want .It will start with our music and then look out.
Not all children though Chansen. There still are many who walk with GOD. But we Christians have Gods word to look at. This is it. ----------------------------------------
You have a nice day-------------------------------airclean33
And yet, you still have imaginary friends.
airclean33
Posted on: 04/09/2012 11:49
Hi Chansen-- You wrote-----------
And yet, you still have imaginary friends.------------------------------------------------------------airclean------As I have said to you befor , I will always believe in you.
airclean33
Posted on: 04/09/2012 11:55
Hi Witch --Welcome back, I see you are still the same. Have not found what You Lost.You can still remember the words hay. Just can't understand were they go.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 15:47
Hi Witch --Welcome back, I see you are still the same. Have not found what You Lost.You can still remember the words hay. Just can't understand were they go.
On the contrary, I found what I lost when I left Christianity and found God. many years ago.
And I understand very well where the words go, since I don't have the blinders of having to believe them first before asking the hard questions.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 15:48
let me know when you see some Christians citizens band together and burn down a mosque
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/03/2012312214339519153.html
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/mosques_in_us...
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6814690.html
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2012/03/07/burned-wichita-mosque-to-be-...
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2012/04/03/uk-police-investigate-mosque...
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/08/man_a...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/11/02/burned-wichita-mosque-was-targe...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mosque-hindu-worship-center-among-multip...
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/11/10/arson-attack-on-mosque-in-ea...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6900129/Mosque-burned-to-th...
Those are only from the last year... I could go on.. and on... and on...
i checked the first link.
i didnt bother looking at more after that fail.
it doesnt speak of the perpetrator as being a Christian.
lets not start blaming all attacks on faith groups that are non-Christian as being done by a Christian with faith related motivations.
some people dont like muslims that are not Christian probably.
well just call that a fail.
if you would like to point a link in peticular ill look at it.
Yeah I figured you'd probably invoke the "no true scotsman" fallacy to weasel out from under your question. Funny how you didn't offer muslims the same opportunity.
But I guess hypocrisy doesn't need to be fair.
ab penny
Posted on: 04/09/2012 15:55
Hi Rita, that's a great idea for a thread!
The bullies of the playground are always the first to cry "victim!!" when thier bullying is exposed. Christians are definitely not persecuted...but bullies should be, Christian or otherwise.
There is a movement now to amend the laws in motion to prevent bullying in the schools, on religious grounds. It's quite insane, really.
chansen
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:01
I wrote a very good reply to Stephen somewhere in here and included a hilarious cartoon from the Jesus and Mo web cartoon strip, which meant the whole reply was removed and I was threatened with a ban. Again.
For those who missed the cartoon, here's a link. It's too funny to miss. There is also a sequel to that strip.
chansen
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:04
Hi Rita, that's a great idea for a thread!
The bullies of the playground are always the first to cry "victim!!" when thier bullying is exposed. Christians are definitely not persecuted...but bullies should be, Christian or otherwise.
There is a movement now to amend the laws in motion to prevent bullying in the schools, on religious grounds. It's quite insane, really.
To be more accurate, there is a movement afoot to amend anti-bullying legislation to exempt religious beliefs. In other words, if your bullying is in agreement with your religious beliefs, then by all means, continue.
Just one more example of religion making the world a better place.
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:17
abpenny and chansen .......
The anti bullying legislations and the attempt to provide for religious expemption.
You pretty much nailed it there......
I have been watching how the "religious right" is making them selves known and influencing the GOP nominee race in the USA.
It is appalling to say the very least.....
Presecution ...... there are those that are certainly good at it....
Thank you for picking up on the gist of my thoughts.....
Hugs
Rita
SG
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:24
If the post was removed for a cartoon saying "shit", then many should have been censored.
If it is about the cartoon content, the Monty Python fans should have had their clips deleted. The Life of Brian is far worse than THAT cartoon.
This is what happens, someone starts flagging shit like crazy. (there is your opportunity, stephen)
Was there a threat of a ban, and if so was it the standard form email "if this continues it could result in a ban"?
I have to say I am disappointed.
chansen
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:28
It's because it shows a depiction of "Mo" - Mohammad, which is bad because Muslims haven't had any luck with drawing a dignified Mohammad and they don't want someone else to get lucky and nail it on the first try, or something like that.
rhbilly
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:38
i checked the first link.
i didnt bother looking at more after that fail.
it doesnt speak of the perpetrator as being a Christian.
lets not start blaming all attacks on faith groups that are non-Christian as being done by a Christian with faith related motivations.
some people dont like muslims that are not Christian probably.
well just call that a fail.
if you would like to point a link in peticular ill look at it.
Hey there,
I looked at some of them - the first one was done by a muslim
The third one received suport from the christian community to rebuild and was perpetrated by a white supremacy group.
its more than a fail - its a misrepresentation of fact ...
RitaTG
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:42
Chansen ...just a thought....
You are on a Christian site so perhaps it would be polite to stick to presecuting us
.
I would suggest that if you have something to say about Mohammed then perhaps it would be better to go to one of their discussion forums and share it there where they can defend their point of view.
I am quite happy to have you here needling us on our beliefs. Sometimes your viewpoints are a great catalyst for personal reflection.
Thanks!
Rita
SG
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:46
Ok, then I guess I have to say no "Mo" cartoons, based on Wondercafe's stance on prohibition of images of Mohammed.
What can be lost sight of is that there is no prohibition in the Qu'ran that explicitly or implicitly says not to have any pictures of Muhammad. The hadiths actually speak to all pictures whether of people, trees... much like the Amish. It is why television was met with riots.
Hadiths apply to Muslims. It is like kosher or using G-d is for Jews.
But, Wondercafe has stated their position and it is their playground.
Witch
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:52
I looked at some of them - the first one was done by a muslim
Suuuuuuure it was. Nice try
Which are all true Christians as well a white supremacists, in fact they are the only true Christians, just ask them.
What's interesting is the gymnastics you go through to seperate your brand of Christianity from those that commit such acts, yet you won't allow Islam the same leeway.
Anyways the request was made to provide examples. I did, and I was never under any illusion that the "true" Christians would allow themselves to take responsibility or acknowledge them. Truly the beam in your eye seems not to impede at all your ability to see the motes in others.
Northwind
Posted on: 04/09/2012 16:58
I wrote a very good reply to Stephen somewhere in here and included a hilarious cartoon from the Jesus and Mo web cartoon strip, which meant the whole reply was removed and I was threatened with a ban. Again.
For those who missed the cartoon, here's a link. It's too funny to miss. There is also a sequel to that strip.
I remember that post, but not its content. I've since read the other responses to your comment. I fail to see why this would cause reason for you to be banned. As someone above (SG?) said, The Life of Brian did have far worse.