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Famous Last Words of atheists

David Hume, the Atheist, He cried: "I am in flames!" His desperation was a horrible scene.

Voltaire, the famous skeptic, Voltaire died a terrible death. His nurse said: "For all the money in Europe I wouldn't want to see another unbeliever die! All night long he cried for forgiveness."
Heinrich Heine, the great Skeptic,, When you are on your deathbed, you become more sensitive and you would like to make peace with God and the world"¦ Poems, that only contained halfway reproaches against God, I delivered over to the flames in a fearful zeal. It is better, that the verses burn than the verse maker"¦ I returned to God as a prodigal son, after I fed the swine with the Hegelians for a long time"¦ In the theology I have to accuse myself of retreating, because I returned to a 'personal God'."
As he died: "God will forgive me. It's his job."

Sir Thomas Scott,
Scott, once president of the English Lower House said: "Up until this time, I thought that there was no God neither Hell. Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am delivered to perdition by the righteous judgment of the Almighty."

Stalin: Father died terribly and difficult. God gives the righteous an easy death."

A Chinese Communist, who delivered many Christians to their execution, came to a pastor and said: "I've seen many of you die. The Christians die differently. What is their secret?"

Alexander the Great, "There are no more other worlds to conquer!"

Henry the Eighth ,,"So, now all is gone"”Empire, Body and Soul!"

Roman Emperor Augustus: "Did I play my role well? If so, then applause, because the comedy is finished!"

WHAT WILL YOU SAY?
WHAT DO YOU SAY NOW?
WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE?
WILL YOU GO UP IN YOUR DEATH WHERE LOVE IS FOREVER?

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how can an athiest follow someone who they dont believe in , come on at least make a good arguement

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Wear the Fox hat??

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Actually over 95% of the last words uttered by fundamentalist Christans are along the lines of....

"Buddha?? What are you doing here?"

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revjohn wrote:
"Witch,

Hi,

You wrote:

There are plenty of atheists in foxholes.

Then where do the foxes go?

Grace and peace to you.

John"

Why to fox heaven of course....

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witch said

{Buddha?? What are you doing here?"}

hahahaha ROTFLMSO !!!

i think they we're talking about the BUD LITE HA what are you doing here, but i prefer a corona myself

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--- origionally posted by blackbelt ---

how can an athiest follow someone who they dont believe in , come on at least make a good arguement
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i'm making a very valid arguement.

if a person learns to read on his own, how is it any less of an accomplishment because he didn't learn it from a teacher???

if a person figures out that 1 + 1 = 2 without someone telling him that one plus one equals two, does that make their accomplishment any less than the person who just believes that one plus one equals two because thats what the teacher told him???

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no your not, can i as a christian who believe in Christ and the after life follow the beliefe of athiests who believe after you die thats it its over?

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--- origionally posted by blackbelt ---

no your not, can i as a christian who believe in Christ and the after life follow the beliefe of athiests who believe after you die thats it its over?
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i am saying that just because a person doesn't believe in christ doesn't mean that they can't follow him.

christ was all about loving your enemy, caring for the sick, caring for the poor... if a person cares for the sick, cares for the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves their enemy, but doesn't believe in christ, how does that deminsh their accomplishment??

i recall a scripture where christ turns to those seated beside him at the time of salvation and says 'thank you for caring for me on earth', and the people say 'hey, we never clothed you, fed you, etc??' and christ says 'WHATSOEVER YOU DO FOR THESE, THE VERY LEAST OF MY BROTHERS, YOU DO ALSO FOR ME.'

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sighs said,,

{i am saying that just because a person doesn't believe in christ doesn't mean that they can't follow him.}

follow him where? THEY DONT BELIEVE IN HIM

we know Christ has love towards the athiests, but the athiest dosnt have love towards Christ, they DONT believe in him, well not yet anways

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--- origionally posted by blackbelt --

follow him where? THEY DONT BELIEVE IN HIM

we know Christ has love towards the athiests, but the athiest dosnt have love towards Christ, they DONT believe in him, well not yet anways
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but if someone feeds the hungry, clothes the naked, and give shelter to the homeless, they are walking in the footsteps of christ, are they not???

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sighs,,

{but if someone feeds the hungry, clothes the naked, and give shelter to the homeless, they are walking in the footsteps of christ, are they not???}

yes of course i agree, but thats not what the topic was about,

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oh, sorry bout that...

i guess i never figured out what the topic was.

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sighs said,,

{oh, sorry bout that...

i guess i never figured out what the topic was. }

ya i know

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Matthew 25:31-45 Jesus (or more acurately) The Son of Man sorting the sheep from the goats (no mention of foxes, sorry) and you're right, no mention of, "did you believe in me, did you quote bible verses at me or condemn my sins or tell me I had to be born again" Nothing like that at all mentioned. Just feed and clothe the strangers, the outcasts and the prisoners. Those who don't get turfed. Hey, no mention of what they believe at all. So even atheists might get in according to this Bible passage.

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Mon,

Just to keep from heresy,

Matthew 25:31-45 (Msg)
"When he finally arrives, blazing in beauty and all his angels with him, the Son of Man will take his place on his glorious throne. [32] Then all the nations will be arranged before him and he will sort the people out, much as a shepherd sorts out sheep and goats, [33] putting sheep to his right and goats to his left.
[34] "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Enter, you who are blessed by my Father! Take what's coming to you in this kingdom. It's been ready for you since the world's foundation. [35] And here's why:

I was hungry and you fed me,
I was thirsty and you gave me a drink,
I was homeless and you gave me a room,
[36] I was shivering and you gave me clothes,
I was sick and you stopped to visit,
I was in prison and you came to me.'

[37] "Then those 'sheep' are going to say, 'Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry and feed you, thirsty and give you a drink? And when did we ever see you sick or in prison and come to you?' [38] [39] [40] Then the King will say, 'I'm telling the solemn truth: Whenever you did one of these things to someone overlooked or ignored, that was me"”you did it to me.'
[41] "Then he will turn to the 'goats,' the ones on his left, and say, 'Get out, worthless goats! You're good for nothing but the fires of hell. [42] And why? Because"”

I was hungry and you gave me no meal,
I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
[43] I was homeless and you gave me no bed,
I was shivering and you gave me no clothes,
Sick and in prison, and you never visited.'

[44] "Then those 'goats' are going to say, 'Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or homeless or shivering or sick or in prison and didn't help?'
[45] "He will answer them, 'I'm telling the solemn truth: Whenever you failed to do one of these things to someone who was being overlooked or ignored, that was me"”you failed to do it to me.'

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EXACTLY, erin, exactly.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT. they were following christ, and they didn't even know it. jesus could have cared less whether they knew they were serving christ... that wasn't the point. by clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, etc, they were following in the footsteps of christ.

and off they went to heaven.

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exactly! Yup! No word as to whether or not they had accepted Jesus into their hearts! All about actions and deeds, not preaching or posturing. Interesting scripture, thanks for posting it!

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always been an intriguing one for me, that.

i'm not wild about the sheep and goats analogy, though. i find sheep much more disagreeable than goats. goats are cool, goats have attitude.

sheep are, well, sheep. they just do whatever the other sheep are doing.

i'd much rather hang out with the goats than the sheep.

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Yes, but they're so soft and fuzzy and cute and they don't eat everything in sight, and you can walk on their backs when they are all bunched up and sheepdogs are the cutest, and you can give them haircuts year after year, and make wonderful clothes out of them... Mind you, giving them their annual sheep 'dip' isn't fun...

PS I love kiwis and ozzies!

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I decided to do a little actual research and see if BB's "facts" panned out on these....

Most of the exerpts that are not attributed directly to the speaker are from
Infidel Death-Beds
G. W. Foote and A. D. McLaren

Published for the Secular Society Ltd.

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>>"David Hume, the Atheist, He cried: "I am in flames!" His desperation was a horrible scene."

Did you ever consider he might have been suffering from hemarrhoids?

In any case, since you didn't provide any source, I shall

"On August 8, Adam Smith went to Kircaldy, leaving Hume in a very weak state but still very cheerful. On August 28, he received the following letter from Dr. Black, the physician, announcing the philosopher's death: --

Edinburgh,
Monday, August 26, 1776.

Dear Sir, -- Yesterday about four o'clock, afternoon, Mr. Hume expired. The near approach of his death became evident in the night between Thursday and Friday, when his disease became excessive, and soon weakened him so much, that be could no longer rise out of his bed. He continued to the last perfectly sensible and free from much pain and feelings of distress. He never dropped the smallest expression of impatience; but when he had occasion to speak to the people about him, always did it with affection and tenderness. I thought it improper to write to bring you over, especially as I heard that he had dictated a letter to you, desiring you not to come. When he became weak it cost him an effort to speak, and he died in such a happy composure of mind that nothing could exceed it."

Hmmmm, BB... doesn't quite equate to "desperation", does it? But then what would his physician know about his death, other than being actually present for it.

>>"Voltaire, the famous skeptic, Voltaire died a terrible death. His nurse said: "For all the money in Europe I wouldn't want to see another unbeliever die! All night long he cried for forgiveness.""

Again no source, just an anonymous reference to his "nurse". Allow me.

" The curate of St. Sulpice was annoyed at being forestalled by the Abbe Gautier, and as Voltaire was his parishioner, he demanded "a detailed profession of faith and a disavowal of all heretical doctrines." He paid the dying Freethinker many unwelcome visits, in the vain hope of obtaining a full recantation, which would be a fine feather in his hat. The last of these visits is thus described by Wagniere, who was an eyewitness to the scene. We take Carlyle's translation: --

Two days before that mournful death, M. l'Abbe Mignot, his nephew, went to seek the Cure of St. Sulpice and the Abbe Gautier, and brought them into his uncle's sick room; who, on being informed that the Abbe Gautier was there, "Ah, well!" said be, "give him my compliments and my thanks." The Abbe spoke some words to him, exhorting him to patience. The Cure of St. Sulpice then came forward, having announced himself, and asked of M. de Voltaire, elevating his voice, if he acknowledged the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ? The sick man pushed one of his hands against the Cure's calotte (coif), shoving him back, and cried, turning abruptly to the other side, "let me die in peace (Laissez-moi mourir en paix)." The Curd seemingly considered his person soiled, and his coif dishonored, by the touch of the philosopher. He made the sick- nurse give him a little brushing, and then went out with the Abbe Gautier. ['Carlyle's Essays,' Vol. II. (People's Edition), p. 161.]

A further proof that Voltaire made no real recantation lies in the fact that the Bishop of Troyes sent a peremptory dispatch to the Prior of Scellieres, which lay in his diocese, forbidding him to inter the heretic's remains. The dispatch, however, arrived too late, and Voltaire's ashes remained there until 1791, when they were removed to Paris and placed in the Pantheon, by order of the National Assembly.

Voltaire's last moments are described by Wagniere. We again take Carlyle's translation: --

He expired about a quarter past eleven at night, with the most perfect tranquillity, after having suffered the cruelest pains in consequence of those fatal drugs, which his own imprudence, and especially that of the persons who should have looked to it, made him swallow. Ten minutes before his last breath he took the hand of Morand, his valet-de-chambre, who was, watching him; pressed it, and said, "Adieu, mon cher Morand, je me meurs -- Adieu, my dear Morand, I am gone." These are the last words uttered by M. de Voltaire. [Carlyle, Vol. II., p. 160.]"

>>"Heinrich Heine, the great Skeptic,, When you are on your deathbed, you become more sensitive and you would like to make peace with God and the world"¦ Poems, that only contained halfway reproaches against God, I delivered over to the flames in a fearful zeal. It is better, that the verses burn than the verse maker"¦ I returned to God as a prodigal son, after I fed the swine with the Hegelians for a long time"¦ In the theology I have to accuse myself of retreating, because I returned to a 'personal God'."
As he died: "God will forgive me. It's his job.""

The first part of this quote (I'm assuming it is a quote, it's rather clumsily cat-and-pasted) cannot be found from any reliable source.

The second part "God will...", comes from a report Edmond and Charles Goncourt, Journal(23 Feb. 1863), is in reply to an unwelcome visit by a priest. The author further reports that "it was just the sort of jibe one might expect from him..."

Sigmund Freud commented "The force of the joke lies in its purpose. What it means to say is nothing else than: 'Of course he'll forgive me. That's what he's there for, and that's the only reason I've taken him on (as one engages one's doctor or one's lawyer).'"

Apparently Blackbelt didn't get the joke.

>>"Sir Thomas Scott,
Scott, once president of the English Lower House said: "Up until this time, I thought that there was no God neither Hell. Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am delivered to perdition by the righteous judgment of the Almighty.""

This particular bit has been passed around Christian webs sites almost as long as the Darwin Fallacy.

There was a Sir Thomas Scott, who was Chancellor of England, and a member of the House of Lords. He wasn't a member of the lower house to my recollection, and highly unlikely since members of the two houses at thet time raarely exchanged.

Sir Thomas Scott was not noted as being an atheist in any reliable source, and there is no reliable source of his final words seems to exist, if anyone ever recorded them.

There is no record of his ever being "President" of the Lower House.

In fact, please someone help me out here, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "president" of the UK parlaiment's lower house.

But I'm sure BB checked his "facts"out before posting.

>>Stalin: Father died terribly and difficult. God gives the righteous an easy death."

Surely, my dear Blackbelt, you're not seriously suggesting that a hard death is a sign of ungodliness? Didn't Peter die crucified upside down on a cross? Are there no Christians in cancer wards? Did no Christian ever die of a belly wouldnd in a war, or hacked up piece by piece in a desperate attempt to stem gangrene in the days before penecillin and anaesthetics?

I think that's all we need to say about this ridiculous conjecture.

Besides which, most historians believe Stalin died of a stroke. Not pleasant perhaps, but not what one would reasonably call "terribly and difficult", and certainly no worse than what elderly Christians often suffer. This is born out by the testimony of his daughter Svetlena, who writes...

"He suddenly opened his eyes and cast a glance over everyone in the room. It was a terrible glance. Then something incomprehensible and awesome happened. He suddenly lifted his left hand as though he were pointing to something above and bringing down a curse upon all of us. The next moment after a final effort the spirit wrenched its self free of the flesh."

Again, not great, but not terrible or difficult in any meaningful way.

But then his daughter was only by his bedside, not actually in his head as blackbelt apparently was....

>>"A Chinese Communist, who delivered many Christians to their execution, came to a pastor and said: "I've seen many of you die. The Christians die differently. What is their secret?""

Well an uncorroborated anecdote, quoting an anonymous Communist, who speaks to an unknown pastor... Well that settles it, I'm convinced!!!

Oh Wait... What do we do about the anecdotes which comment on the courage and peace buddhists show when being put to death?

Oh right, we're not supposed to bring up those kind of embarrassing details.

>>"Alexander the Great, "There are no more other worlds to conquer!"

Wow! A direct reference to the Christian God by Alexander the great himself!!!!

Oh... wait... it doesn't.

Incidentally, BB, you do know that ol' Alex wasn't an atheist... right? Or wasn't I supposed to bring up that embarrassing little point?

>>"Henry the Eighth ,,"So, now all is gone"”Empire, Body and Soul!""

You mean to tell me that the Head of the Church of England was an Atheist??

Wow, BB, I wish I had your powers of mind reading. And into past even.

>>"Roman Emperor Augustus: "Did I play my role well? If so, then applause, because the comedy is finished!""

Once again.... not an Atheist... and once again.... no reference to the Christian God.

>>"Robert Ingersoll: "O God, if there be a God, save my soul, if I have a soul!""

Wow! That sure blows out of the water the memories of people who were actually there....

Ingersoll died of angina pectoris on July 21, 1899. He passed away very peacefully and his last words were, "I am better now." But it was not to be expected that so great an "infidel" would be spared the familiar story of a death-bed recantation, despite the fact that all the details of his last moments are well known. His friend, W.J. Armstrong, summed them up concisely in the Los Angeles Times Magazine: "He died unexpectedly and suddenly, after conversing cheerfully a few minutes before with the members of his family." (The Freethinker, October 4, 1908).

>>"Thomas Payne: "Stay with me, for God's sake; I cannot bear to be left alone ... O Lord, help me! O God, what have I done to suffer so much? What will become of me hereafter?""

I assume you meant Thomas Paine the Deist, as opposed to Thomas Payne, the 18th century London Bookseller. The only quote we have from Thomas Payne, whcih is somewhat questionable, is "Hey you! You gonna buy that? This ain't no Library you know!"

Hmmm... if you can't get the name right, is your scholarship of his dying moments suspect?

On the other hand, the words of Thomas Paine are quite well known and documented, including those of his last days...

"Two weeks before his death, his conversion was attempted by two Christian ministers, the Rev. Mr. Milledollar and the Rev. Mr. Cunningham: --

The latter gentleman said, "Mr. Paine, we visit you as friends and neighbors; you have now a full view of death, you cannot live long, and whoever does not believe in Jesus Christ will assuredly be damned." "Let me," said Mr. Paine, "have none of your popish stuff; get away with you, good morning, good morning." The Rev. Mr. Milledollar attempted to address him, but he was interrupted in the same language. When they were gone he said to Mrs. Heddon, his housekeeper, "do not let them come here again; they intrude upon me." They soon renewed their visit, but Mrs. Hedden told them they could not be admitted, and that she thought the attempt useless, for if God did not change his mind, she was sure no human power could. [Rickman, p. 184]

Another of these busybodies was the Rev. Mr. Hargrove, a Swedenborgian or New Jerusalemite minister. This gentleman told Paine that his sect had found the key for interpreting the Scriptures, which had been lost for four thousand years. "Then," said Paine, "it must have been very rusty."

Even his medical attendant did not scruple to assist in this pious enterprise. Dr. Manley's letter to Cheetham, one of Paine's biographers, says that he visited the dying skeptic at midnight, June 5-6, two days before he expired. After tormenting him with many questions, to which he made no answer, Dr. Manley proceeded as follows: --

Mr. raine, you have not answered my questions; will you answer them? Allow me to ask again, do you believe, or -- let me qualify the question -- do you wish to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? After a pause of some minutes he answered, "I have no wish to believe on that subject." I then left him, and know not whether he afterwards spoke to any person on the subject.

Sherwin confirms this statement. He prints a letter from Mr. Clark, who spoke to Dr. Manley on the subject. "I asked him plainly," said Mr. Clark, "Did Mr. Paine recant his religious sentiments? I would thank you for an explicit answer, sir. He said, "No, he did not." [Sherwin's Life of Paine, p. 225.]

Mr. Willet Hicks, a Quaker gentleman who frequently called on Paine in his last illness, as a friend and not as a soul-snatcher, bears similar testimony. "In some serious conversation I had with him a short time before his death," declared Mr. Hicks, "he said his sentiments respecting the Christian religion were precisely the same as they were when he wrote 'The Age of Reason.'" [Cheetham's Life of Paine, p. 152.]

Lastly, we have the testimony of Cheetham himself, who was compelled to apologize for libelling Paine during his life, and whose biography of the great skeptic is a continuous libel. Even Cheetham is bound to admit that Paine "died as he had lived, an enemy to the Christian religion."

Notwithstanding this striking harmony of evidence as to Paine's dying in the principles of Freethought, the story of his "recantation " gradually developed, until at last it was told to the children in Sunday-schools, and even published by the Religious Tract Society. Nay, it is being circulated to this very day, as no less true than the Gospel itself, although it was triumphantly exposed by William Cobbett over a century ago. "This is not a question of religion," said Cobbett, "it is a question of moral truth. Whether Mr. Paine's opinions were correct or erroneous, has nothing to do with this matter."

Cobbett investigated the libel on Paine on the very spot where it originated. Getting to the bottom of the matter, he found that the source of the mischief was Mary Hinsdale, who had formerly been a servant to Mr. Willet Hicks. This gentleman sent Paine many little delicacies in his last illness, and Mary Hinsdale conveyed them. According to her story, Paine made a recantation in her presence, and assured her that if ever the Devil had an agent on earth, he who wrote 'The Age of Reason' was undoubtedly that person. When she was hunted out by Cobbett, however, "she shuffled, she evaded, she affected not to understand," and finally said she had " no recollection of any person or thing she saw at Thomas Paine's house." Cobbett's summary of the whole matter commends itself to every sensible reader: --

This is, I think, a pretty good instance of the lengths to which hypocrisy will go. The whole story, as far as it related to recantation . . . is a lie from beginning to end. Mr. Paine declares in his last Will that he retains all his publicly expressed opinions as to religion. His executors, and many other gentlemen of undoubted veracity, had the same declaration from his dying lips. Mr. Willett Hicks visited him to nearly the last. This gentleman says that there was no change of opinion intimated to him; and will any man believe that Paine would have withheld from Mr. Hicks that which he was so forward to communicate to Mr. Hicks's servant girl? ['Republican,' February 13, 1824, Vol. IX., p. 221.]

We have to remember that the first part of 'The Age of Reason' was entrusted to Joel Barlow, when Paine was imprisoned at Paris, and the second part was written in gaol in the very presence of Death. Dr. Bond, an English surgeon, who was by no means friendly to Paine's opinions, visited him in the Luxembourg, and gave the following testimony: --

Mr. Paine, while hourly expecting to die, read to me parts of his 'Age of Reason;' and every night when I left him to be separately locked up, and expected not to see him alive in the morning, he always expressed his firm belief in the principles of that book, and begged I would tell the world such were his dying opinions. [Rickman, p. 192]

Surely when a work was written in such circumstances it is absurd to charge the author with recanting his opinions through fear of death. Citing once more the words of his enemy Cheetham, it is incontestible that Thomas Paine "died as he had lived, an enemy to the Christian religion."

One of Paine's intimate friends, Colonel Fellows, was met by Walt Whitman, the American poet, soon after 1840 in New York. Whitman became well-acquainted with the Colonel, who was then about seventy-eight years of age, and described him as "a remarkably fine old man." From conversations with him, Whitman became convinced that Paine had been greatly calumniated. Thirty-five years later, addressing a meeting at Lincoln Hall, Philadelphia, on Sunday, January 28, 1887, the democratic poet said: "Thomas Paine had a noble personality, as exhibited in presence, face, voice, dress, manner, and what may be called his atmosphere and magnetism, especially the later years of his life. I am sure of it. Of the foul and foolish fictions yet told about the circumstances of his decease, the absolute fact is that as he lived a good life, after its kind, he died calmly and philosophically, as became him." [Walt Whitman, specimen Days in America (English edition), p. 150; Conway, 'The Life of Thomas Paine,' ii, 432]"

Oh, and BTW BB, Paine was also not an Atheist.

>>"Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die.""

Ummmmmmm............

Not really a de facto deathbed "conversion" statement.... really.

More akin to the traveller's "Honey.... did we remember to lock the back door?"

You'd really have to stretch the truth to hold this up as a death bed conversion, but stretching the truth isn't really a problem for you now is it BB?

Historians, on the other hand, tell us that on March 12, 1507, Cesare Borgia died suddenly in battle in Navarre. No official record of his last words was kept. No reliable witnesses have ever come forward to recollect if he even had any.
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So what's the score so far... keeping in mind that BB insists these werre the final words of Atheists, and that it shows "what is going on in there hearts juring there last moments on earth before shutting there eyes forever", intimating, uinless I am very much mistaken, that these poor souls finally saw the "truth" about the existence of God.

So BB made a total of 11 supposed final words quotes of atheists which were then subjected to a proper examination using sources and eyewitnesses (BB was asked about his sources, but seems to have missed it... or chose to ignore it).

Properly debunked - 6

No record of any last words at all, or anonymous quotes etc - 3

Meaningless in that they do not support any arguement in BB's favor, or do not show any change in beliefs - 2

In addition to the above totals there were four presented as quotes by athiests, that were not made my atheists, and one which was not a quote at all....

So the grand total is

Scholarship and research.... 11

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Wow... kind of a black eye for the old "factmeister", eh BB? I mean for a person who continually insists he has the facts, you'd think you might have gotton at least one right. Then again, you'd think that in a post about quotes of Atheists, they'ds all be atheists, wouldn't you?

Now would be your turn to blubber and fuss and pretend that it's my scholarship that is in error, and not your cut-and-paste post from some apologetics site that you didn't even bother to check and verify....

Now where was that verse in the Bible about false witness again....?

PS For Wonderin...

You might want to consider whose word you take before you follow blindly.

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I apologise for the width folks. It was a lot of work and I had to do it on an outside editor.

Unfortunately people like BB get to just cut-and paste the pablum someon else puts out. In order to proberly debunk it takes actual work.

And like most of these ridiculous Apologetics "proofs", we'll see the whole thing back again in two weeks anyways... sigh.

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Witch,,
Your spelling is just about as bad as Jeffery's.

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GREAT research, Witch; thank you.

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This is so sweet and cute, BB and Wonderin hanging out like 2 love birds. Are they dating? They seem meant for each other.

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I think Grant's mad at us BB.

Kiss kiss

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Wow, witch that was some research, good job.

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Wonderin, never mad, simply dismayed that core practices of Christianity elude you.

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Witch,

You need to get a life!!

Why didn't you just use your connections and go and ask those dead people what they said?

Erin

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Witch uses core practices of Christianity??

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Wonderin:

I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt for having only been mistaken in blindly following BB's lead.

These alst few posts of yours show that I was mistaken. When confronted with the evidence which shows you wrong you, like BB, choose to simply attack me personally, rather than address the issue of the false witness.

Do you suppose your God would be pleased with that?

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Why don't you ask Him. You keep claiming to know Him!

Erin

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Except Witch you never confronted Erin with FACTS to show she was wrong just your opinion. Wonderin also did not make fun of your beliefs you made fun of hers. Yes, our God is pleased with Erin that she defended the faith. You need not worry.

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I'm sorry Serena.... did you miss my post entirely?

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wonderin wrote:
"Why don't you ask Him. You keep claiming to know Him!

Erin"

I don't have to ask Him. I feel his pain when the people commit false witness in His name.

But your comment does show how much you care about things like God's commandments.

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You know Witch, you are your own worst enemy. You did a whole pile of worthless work for nothing and then like the rest of your non-believing pals, you twist BB's words.

As to - "keeping in mind that BB insists these were the final words of Atheists"

He never insisted anything. You said he insisted.

The quotes he put up are all over the internet in exactly the form he posted them. He only posted them to make a point and use as a example for his testimony of people dying without any faith or hope.

My doctor has testified that the people he is with when dying have different exits. He says that the majority of confessed Christians die with a very peaceful demeanor and the ones who profess no God have a terrifying death and end. I have seen the same thing with my Christian friends who have died while I was with them. Nothing but a great look of peace as they step over with the Lord.

So, my dear Witch, it's time to pick up your crying towel and apologize to Blackbelt.

You have undeservedly slandered him.

Erin

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No Witch I just correctly interpreted your post.

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Witch,

I think my God is chuckling right now!

Erin

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Actually I think your god is buying you some more pom poms for your cheerleading activities.

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Wonderin:

If I said "Wonderin's Grandparents are known to have said 'We declare ourselves enemies of God and renounce all moral precepts of Canadian society'", and it turns out they said no such thing... would I have committed false witness?

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wonderin , why are you so hateful?

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Hey! Big A's wakened up"¦but just barely. Pretty lame comment for you. Go bug the bikers. If you tick them off, you'll bring your head back in a bag.

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Nah, I get along pretty well with bikers, most of 'em are straight and I respect that, the ones who I know also respect that I am gay; no worrys. The bikers I know are not homophobes, probably because they are not fundies.

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--- origionally posted by serena ---

Except Witch you never confronted Erin with FACTS to show she was wrong just your opinion. Wonderin also did not make fun of your beliefs you made fun of hers. Yes, our God is pleased with Erin that she defended the faith. You need not worry.
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serena, i am always amazed at how you limit gods power like that. did you know that putting limits on gods power is heretical???

and having dealt with erin last night, serena, i can tell you that she was confronted with facts MANY MANY TIMES, and almost every single time, rather than admit that she was in error, she instead chose to stoop to personal attacks. a prime example was when she insulted jeffrey and laughed at his spelling. which was ironic, considering she then proceeded to spell disgusting with a 'c'... but i digress.

suffice it to say, serena, that erin was confronted with FACTS at every turn. and her behaviour last night was questionable, in the very least.

if i were you, perhaps i'd take a look at someones posts before blindly standing up for them just cause they are part of your cyber sisterhood.

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doesn't this prove that trying to convert someone to your view in forums is a waste of time? it's not just erin. those who accept and truly think on ideas posted here are rare. we all say what we want to say, and hear what we want to hear.

based on experience, i find that when confronted with really good comeback, many people will either resort to personal attacks (distraction) or change the subject. not too many people admit defeat online. that's just not kosher, especially those who've been claiming that they have the only truth.

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i admit i'm wrong quite a bit, actually... in fact, i just did it about 20 posts ago. i am very comfortable with my stupidity.

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yay! see, it gets easier the more you do it. i admire that. it takes one who is comfortable with his/her beliefs and is open to different views to admit he/she can be wrong. it is said in taoism that one must bend in order not to break.

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witch got that from a witchcraft website , boooooo

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Grant said,,

{This is so sweet and cute, BB and Wonderin hanging out like 2 love birds. Are they dating? They seem meant for each other. }

do you think I should ask her?

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wonderin said,,,

{So, my dear Witch, it's time to pick up your crying towel and apologize to Blackbelt.}

Hey that's ok, witch knows my intensions are good towards him (even though I like to tease him a bit), just trying to win him over to the Lord who truly loves and is waiting for him and wants to give him all the spiritual benefits that Jesus himself has, God knows witch's heart is good(cuz I know it is too), he's just been deceived by darkness, but I know God will bring him into the light eventually, its no coincidence he's here listing to Christians. So I prophesies that in witch's life one day he will be a mighty testimony for the light and love and most saving Grace of Jesus Christ.

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Hmmm, so BB posts some quotes, which turn out to be false, and Witch has to apologize? Shouldn't BB be the one admitting he was in the wrong here?

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