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God's message Christ's words

It can relay how sometimes Jesus's teachings may seem harsh ,nonetheless, are truth and are of his ministry.


Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.(John 17:17)


He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.(John 14:24)


I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."(John 14:23)

I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.(John 3:11)


For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.(John 12:49)


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Jesus has many 'statements' , such as, 'I Am' statements, 'I am he" statements, such as , 'if' statements, and of course, 'I tell you the truth' statements.

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
(John 8:31-32)







We can see in many of Jesus's teachings that his words are of Gods message.






we can consider how we are guided by the Spirit into truth.


12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”(John 16:12-15)


20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one — 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you[e] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
(John 17:20-26)


26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.(John 15:26-27)


there are many teachings relating the importance of Jesus's teachings


we can consider how those who strive in his words are 'enabled' and what that means, how that relate to those before Jesus was glorified, before the Spirit was given, how such teachings relate to those who believ in him today.

we can also consider how many of Jesus's teachings relate to love, some may consider that they teach us how to love one another, what that means.


of course this should come from ones heart, and i consider those who may what some may consider more of a 'mechanical' following may come more into touch and grow in the place in the heart such truly comes from.


what teachings can you share in expressing the importance of Jesus's words?


what teachings of Jesus's moves you and touchs your heart?

What does Jesus teach about striving to believe and overcoming doubt?


how does believing in him relate to the Spirit being given and does such relate to being 'enabled'?


The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.(John 6:63)


35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.(John 6:35-40)


43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.(John 6:43-45)


27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
(Matthew 11:27-29)

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I think Jesus's teachings relating to loving one another are powerful.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit —fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.
(John 15:1-17)

31 When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. 32 If God is glorified in him,[c] God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.

33 “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
(John 13:31-35)



17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life —only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” (John 10:17-18)

what teachings of Pauls can you relate to these things


i think Paul very much understood Love and Truth.


7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
(Galatians 5:17-26)


lets strive in Love, lets speak in truth.

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....is there an answer sheet or Coles Notes for this course???

Just wondering...

Rita

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Who, exactly, are you preaching to SB?

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...hopefully he is preaching to empty pews....

Regards

Rita

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please let people have freedom to discuss, let me have some space without these continous direction in comments your making.

if your not interested in the thread, thats okay.

I posted Galatians 5 in thise thread

14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.(Galatians 5:14-15)


New International Version (©1984)
If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
New Living Translation (©2007)


But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another.



English Standard Version (©2001)
But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.



New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.



King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.



International Standard Version (©2008)
But if you bite and devour one another, be careful that you are not destroyed by each other.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another.



GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
But if you criticize and attack each other, be careful that you don't destroy each other.



King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.



American King James Version
But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.



American Standard Version
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.



Douay-Rheims Bible
But if you bite and devour one another; take heed you be not consumed one of another.



Darby Bible Translation
but if ye bite and devour one another, see that ye are not consumed one of another.



English Revised Version
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.



Webster's Bible Translation
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one by another.



Weymouth New Testament
But if you are perpetually snarling and snapping at one another, beware lest you are destroyed by one another.



World English Bible
But if you bite and devour one another, be careful that you don't consume one another.



Young's Literal Translation
and if one another ye do bite and devour, see -- that ye may not by one another be consumed.


some commentaries for condsideration

Barnes' Notes on the Bible


But if ye bite - The word used here (δάκνω daknō), means, properly, to bite, to sting; and here seems to be used in the sense of contending and striving - a metaphor not improbably taken from dogs and wild beasts.



And devour one another - As wild beasts do. The sense is, "if you contend with each other;" and the reference is, probably, to the strifes which would arise between the two parties in the churches - the Jewish and the Gentile converts.



Take heed that ye be not consumed ... - As wild beasts contend sometimes until both are slain. Thus, the idea is, in their contentions they would destroy the spirituality and happiness of each other; their characters would be ruined; and the church be overthrown. The readiest way to destroy the spirituality of a church, and to annihilate the influence of religion, is to excite a spirit of contention.




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Clarke's Commentary on the Bible




If ye bite and devour one another - These Churches seem to have been in a state of great distraction; there were continual altercations among them. They had fallen from the grace of the Gospel; and, as Christ no longer dwelt in their hearts by faith, pride, anger, ill-will, and all unkind and uncharitable tempers, took possession of their souls, and they were in consequence alternately destroying each other. Nothing is so destructive to the peace of man, and to the peace of the soul, as religious disputes; where they prevail, religion in general has little place.







If i just ask you to stop with this 'teacher' and 'course' and such continues comments which i think your only goal is to be hurtful with?, will you?

do you think its getting childish?

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you wrote:"

Who, exactly, are you preaching to SB?"


its thread topic for discussion.

please allow a little freedom for people to discuss topics are interested in sharing in?

It seems you participation and discussion doesnt seem relevant to the thread topioc and it seems its just about 'targeting?' me for the usual 'discrediting/dismissing /invalidating'?


does such baehavior not reflect 'bullying' and such?

if possible, please speak to the thread topic in some form


if there is somethign you guys would like to discuss you have the capability thread.


im flagging both your posts

thank you.

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3 A voice of one calling:
“In the wilderness prepare
the way for the Lord[a];
make straight in the desert
a highway for our God.[b]
4 Every valley shall be raised up,
every mountain and hill made low;
the rough ground shall become level,
the rugged places a plain.
5 And the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
and all people will see it together.
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” (Isaiah 40:3-5)


15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” (Mark 1:15)


14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.(Matthew 5:14-16)


Praise God.

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So you want the freedom to speak as you please, but you don't want us to have the same, eh?

Very revealing.

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Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."(Isaiah 41:4)


23 But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

25 “Who are you?” they asked.

“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied.
(John 8:23-25)

another consideration for this thread may be in relation to Jesus when he speaks of beginning and 'I am he', i consider that such as these in John 8 believed that Jesus was a man, speaking to them , possibly they knew he had a positive social message, yet he says, 'if you do not beileve that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins'.


i wonder, what does that mean, to die in your sins, does that mean that one automatically goes to the place of 'weeping and gnashing of teeth'


what statements of Jesus can we consider relate to before his birth of Mary.

what does he mean by "I am he"?


When Jesus said, "I am he," they drew back and fell to the ground.(John 18:6)


much to consider and balance, i would like to explore all these things in this thread if possible.

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This reminds me of

To Noah’s Sons

Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah.

The sons of Noah:

Shem, Ham and Japheth.

The Japhethites

The sons of Japheth:

Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshek and Tiras.

The sons of Gomer:

Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.

The sons of Javan:

Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittites and the Rodanites.

The Hamites

The sons of Ham:

Cush, Egypt, Put and Canaan.

The sons of Cush:

Seba, Havilah, Sabta, Raamah and Sabteka.

The sons of Raamah:

Sheba and Dedan.

10 Cush was the father of

Nimrod, who became a mighty warrior on earth.

11 Egypt was the father of

the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, Naphtuhites, 12 Pathrusites, Kasluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and Caphtorites.

13 Canaan was the father of

Sidon his firstborn, and of the Hittites, 14 Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, 15 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, 16 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites.

The Semites

17 The sons of Shem:

Elam, Ashur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.

The sons of Aram:

Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshek.

18 Arphaxad was the father of Shelah,

and Shelah the father of Eber.

19 Two sons were born to Eber:

One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.

20 Joktan was the father of

Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, 21 Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, 22 Obal, Abimael, Sheba, 23 Ophir, Havilah and Jobab. All these were sons of Joktan.

24 Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah,

25 Eber, Peleg, Reu,

26 Serug, Nahor, Terah

27 and Abram (that is, Abraham).

The Family of Abraham

28 The sons of Abraham:

Isaac and Ishmael.

Descendants of Hagar

29 These were their descendants:

Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, 30 Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, 31 Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. These were the sons of Ishmael.

Descendants of Keturah

32 The sons born to Keturah, Abraham’s concubine:

Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah.

The sons of Jokshan:

Sheba and Dedan.

33 The sons of Midian:

Ephah, Epher, Hanok, Abida and Eldaah.

All these were descendants of Keturah.

Descendants of Sarah

34 Abraham was the father of Isaac.

The sons of Isaac:

Esau and Israel.

Esau’s Sons

35 The sons of Esau:

Eliphaz, Reuel, Jeush, Jalam and Korah.

36 The sons of Eliphaz:

Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam and Kenaz;

by Timna: Amalek.

37 The sons of Reuel:

Nahath, Zerah, Shammah and Mizzah.

The People of Seir in Edom

38 The sons of Seir:

Lotan, Shobal, Zibeon, Anah, Dishon, Ezer and Dishan.

39 The sons of Lotan:

Hori and Homam. Timna was Lotan’s sister.

40 The sons of Shobal:

Alvan, Manahath, Ebal, Shepho and Onam.

The sons of Zibeon:

Aiah and Anah.

41 The son of Anah:

Dishon.

The sons of Dishon:

Hemdan, Eshban, Ithran and Keran.

42 The sons of Ezer:

Bilhan, Zaavan and Akan.

The sons of Dishan:

Uz and Aran.

The Rulers of Edom

43 These were the kings who reigned in Edom before any Israelite king reigned:

Bela son of Beor, whose city was named Dinhabah.

44 When Bela died, Jobab son of Zerah from Bozrah succeeded him as king.

45 When Jobab died, Husham from the land of the Temanites succeeded him as king.

46 When Husham died, Hadad son of Bedad, who defeated Midian in the country of Moab, succeeded him as king. His city was named Avith.

47 When Hadad died, Samlah from Masrekah succeeded him as king.

48 When Samlah died, Shaul from Rehoboth on the river succeeded him as king.

49 When Shaul died, Baal-Hanan son of Akbor succeeded him as king.

50 When Baal-Hanan died, Hadad succeeded him as king. His city was named Pau, and his wife’s name was Mehetabel daughter of Matred, the daughter of Me-Zahab. 51 Hadad also died.

The chiefs of Edom were:

Timna, Alvah, Jetheth, 52 Oholibamah, Elah, Pinon, 53 Kenaz, Teman, Mibzar, 54 Magdiel and Iram. These were the chiefs of Edom.

 

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Indeed SG, very asture.

I am also reminded of Joshua 22
 

22 Then Joshua summoned the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh and said to them, “You have done all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded, and you have obeyed me in everything I commanded. For a long time now—to this very day—you have not deserted your fellow Israelites but have carried out the mission the Lord your God gave you. Now that the Lord your God has given them rest as he promised, return to your homes in the land that Moses the servant of the Lord gave you on the other side of the Jordan. But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the Lord gave you: to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to keep his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul. ”

Then Joshua blessed them and sent them away, and they went to their homes. (To the half-tribe of Manasseh Moses had given land in Bashan, and to the other half of the tribe Joshua gave land on the west side of the Jordan along with their fellow Israelites.) When Joshua sent them home, he blessed them, saying, “Return to your homes with your great wealth—with large herds of livestock, with silver, gold, bronze and iron, and a great quantity of clothing—and divide the plunder from your enemies with your fellow Israelites.”

So the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh left the Israelites at Shiloh in Canaan to return to Gilead, their own land, which they had acquired in accordance with the command of the Lord through Moses.

10 When they came to Geliloth near the Jordan in the land of Canaan, the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh built an imposing altar there by the Jordan. 11 And when the Israelites heard that they had built the altar on the border of Canaan at Geliloth near the Jordan on the Israelite side, 12 the whole assembly of Israel gathered at Shiloh to go to war against them.

13 So the Israelites sent Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, to the land of Gilead—to Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh. 14 With him they sent ten of the chief men, one from each of the tribes of Israel, each the head of a family division among the Israelite clans.

15 When they went to Gilead—to Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh—they said to them: 16 “The whole assembly of the Lord says: ‘How could you break faith with the God of Israel like this? How could you turn away from the Lord and build yourselves an altar in rebellion against him now? 17 Was not the sin of Peor enough for us? Up to this very day we have not cleansed ourselves from that sin, even though a plague fell on the community of the Lord! 18 And are you now turning away from the Lord?

“‘If you rebel against the Lord today, tomorrow he will be angry with the whole community of Israel. 19 If the land you possess is defiled, come over to the Lord’s land, where the Lord’s tabernacle stands, and share the land with us. But do not rebel against the Lord or against us by building an altar for yourselves, other than the altar of the Lord our God. 20 When Achan son of Zerah was unfaithful in regard to the devoted things,[a] did not wrath come on the whole community of Israel? He was not the only one who died for his sin.’”

21 Then Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh replied to the heads of the clans of Israel: 22 “The Mighty One, God, the Lord! The Mighty One, God, the Lord! He knows! And let Israel know! If this has been in rebellion or disobedience to the Lord, do not spare us this day. 23 If we have built our own altar to turn away from the Lord and to offer burnt offerings and grain offerings, or to sacrifice fellowship offerings on it, may the Lord himself call us to account.

24 “No! We did it for fear that some day your descendants might say to ours, ‘What do you have to do with the Lord, the God of Israel? 25 The Lord has made the Jordan a boundary between us and you—you Reubenites and Gadites! You have no share in the Lord.’ So your descendants might cause ours to stop fearing the Lord.

26 “That is why we said, ‘Let us get ready and build an altar—but not for burnt offerings or sacrifices.’ 27 On the contrary, it is to be a witness between us and you and the generations that follow, that we will worship the Lord at his sanctuary with our burnt offerings, sacrifices and fellowship offerings. Then in the future your descendants will not be able to say to ours, ‘You have no share in the Lord.’

28 “And we said, ‘If they ever say this to us, or to our descendants, we will answer: Look at the replica of the Lord’s altar, which our ancestors built, not for burnt offerings and sacrifices, but as a witness between us and you.’

29 “Far be it from us to rebel against the Lord and turn away from him today by building an altar for burnt offerings, grain offerings and sacrifices, other than the altar of the Lord our God that stands before his tabernacle. ”

30 When Phinehas the priest and the leaders of the community—the heads of the clans of the Israelites—heard what Reuben, Gad and Manasseh had to say, they were pleased. 31 And Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, said to Reuben, Gad and Manasseh, “Today we know that the Lord is with us, because you have not been unfaithful to the Lord in this matter. Now you have rescued the Israelites from the Lord’s hand.”

32 Then Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, and the leaders returned to Canaan from their meeting with the Reubenites and Gadites in Gilead and reported to the Israelites. 33 They were glad to hear the report and praised God. And they talked no more about going to war against them to devastate the country where the Reubenites and the Gadites lived.

34 And the Reubenites and the Gadites gave the altar this name: A Witness Between Us—that the Lord is God.

 

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Witch wrote:

Indeed SG, very asture.

I am also reminded of Joshua 22

 

That's a wonderful passage Witch. Here's one I think is worthy of equal consideration,

 

"8 Therefore, although in Christ I could be bold and order you to do what you ought to do, 9 yet I prefer to appeal to you on the basis of love. It is as none other than Paul—an old man and now also a prisoner of Christ Jesus— 10 that I appeal to you for my son Onesimus,[b] who became my son while I was in chains. 11 Formerly he was useless to you, but now he has become useful both to you and to me.

12 I am sending him—who is my very heart—back to you. 13 I would have liked to keep him with me so that he could take your place in helping me while I am in chains for the gospel. 14 But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do would not seem forced but would be voluntary. 15 Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back forever— 16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.

17 So if you consider me a partner, welcome him as you would welcome me. 18 If he has done you any wrong or owes you anything, charge it to me. 19 I, Paul, am writing this with my own hand. I will pay it back—not to mention that you owe me your very self. 20 I do wish, brother, that I may have some benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ. 21 Confident of your obedience, I write to you, knowing that you will do even more than I ask.

22 And one thing more: Prepare a guest room for me, because I hope to be restored to you in answer to your prayers.

23 Epaphras, my fellow prisoner in Christ Jesus, sends you greetings. 24 And so do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas and Luke, my fellow workers.

25 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit." -- Philemon 18-25 (NIV)

 

Rich blessings.

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MC jae 

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Now I had not even considered that at the time, Jae. Thank you for bringing it up.

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What I want to know is, since we translate everything we hear/see/taste/perceive, how did Jesus translate and interpret His Father's Word(s) and can we ever truly know?

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He used Babel Fish, of course.

 

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Witch wrote:

He used Babel Fish, of course.

 

 

yesyesheart

 

so is that what he was passing around to the public when he was doing his 'bread & fishes' magick trick?

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Jesus had long hair and was writing in the dirt and he had a band of disciples and thus we have the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

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A great book about this topic: 'Speaking Christian: why Christian words have lost their meaning and power. and how they can be restored' by Marcus J. Borg (Harper One, 2011),

 

Only $17.55 right now at:

http://www.amazon.ca/Speaking-Christian-Meaning-Power--Restored/dp/0061976555/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337210642&sr=8-1

 

From the publisher's blurb:

"Modern Christians are steeped in a language so distorted that it has become a stumbling block to the religion, says internationally renowned Bible scholar Marcus J. Borg. Borg argues that Christianity’s important words, and the sacred texts and stories in which those words are embedded, have been narrowed by a modern framework for the faith that emphasizes sin, forgiveness, Jesus dying for our sins, and the afterlife. Here, Borg employs the “historical-metaphorical” method for understanding Christian language that can restore for us these words of power and transformation.

For example,

 

• Redemption: now narrowly understood as Jesus saving us from sins so we can go to heaven, but in the Bible it refers to being set free from slavery.


• Savior: now refers to Jesus as the one who saves us from our sins, but in the Bible it has a rich and wonderful variety of meanings having nothing to do with the afterlife.


• Sacrifice: now refers to Jesus’s death on the cross as payment for our sins, but in the Bible it is never about substitutionary payment for sin.


In Speaking Christian, Borg delivers a language for twenty-first-century Christians that grounds the faith in its deep and rich original roots and allows it once again to transform our lives."

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I haven't read the book, but I saw/ heard Marcus Borg give a talk in January, discussing Christian words. Very interesting.

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Would love to hear Marcus Borg in person, some time.

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Would love to hear Marcus Borg in person, some time.

You know it's really cute when you write things like that alongside your snoopy avatar lol

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Stephen, we all know that Jesus thought of Himself as God's mouthpiece and taught that we should love each other.  So what do you think needs discussion or debate?  I  don't understand why you created this thread, what your position is, and what you are opposing in WC.  What helpful or controversial questions do you want addressed? 

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SG wrote:

Jesus had long hair and was writing in the dirt and he had a band of disciples and thus we have the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

 

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SG wrote:

Jesus had long hair and was writing in the dirt and he had a band of disciples and thus we have the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

...and, of course, the disciples spent a lot of time Fishin' in the Dark.

 

(Sorry.)

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redbaron, I think we are showing our age....

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MC,



hi, thanks for sharing. i thought i would explore the thread OP with you.



what teachings can you share in expressing the importance of Jesus's words?


16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.(John 7:16-28)



what teachings of Jesus's moves you and touchs your heart?




I reflected on this teaching today, i think it is moving.


32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.(Luke 12:32)


What does Jesus teach about striving to believe and overcoming doubt?



we can see examples of Jesus encourging effort, he has teachings relating to enduring too. Jesus has many teachings regarding faith.

22 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd. 23 After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. Later that night, he was there alone, 24 and the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it.

25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.

27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”
28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

29 “Come,” he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”

31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
(Matthew 14:22-33)


how does believing in him relate to the Spirit being given and does such relate to being 'enabled'?



this is a question i have for you MC, what do you think? does Jesus and Paul have teachings relating?

37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
(John 7:37-39)







I think it is clear that Christ desires for his disciples to strive to hear his words, strive to listen, strive to be understanding, strive to share in the Gospels in Spirit and truth


How are Christs teachings relevant to you and your ministry?, will you find interest in learning many of Christs teachings? ,those relating to himself as Christ, belief in him , how to do unto others?, exploring the things he said and did and wondering why?, striving to answer questions he asked? ,and sharing all these teachings with those who congregate to hear the message.?




a common 'thread' through the OP and my posts is Love and Truth.


in my opinion both relate to Spirit.


so considering innans question, how did the prophets of the OT 'interpret'/understand Gods word that was given to be shared?


Is it not by Holy Spirit in which they spoke?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it. (John 1:1-5)


35 While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David? 36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:

“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’[h]
37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”

The large crowd listened to him with delight.
(Mark 12:35-37)





MC, so i would appreciate if you could explain how Christ was relevant to those of the OT (before Christ was born of Mary), how are they justified through faith and have peace with God? and how together with us they will be made perfect? What was promised that they had not recieved?

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5 When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. 6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
7 They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”

8 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
(Matthew 16:5-12)

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32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.

39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. (Hebrews 11:32-40)




1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”[a]
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline —then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 “Make level paths for your feet,”[b] so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
(Hebrews 12:1-12)


i would appreciate your insight MC, as u are in school in relation to your path.

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• Redemption: now narrowly understood as Jesus saving us from sins so we can go to heaven, but in the Bible it
refers to being set free from slavery.
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31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

34 Jesus replied, Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
(John 8:31-43)


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• Savior: now refers to Jesus as the one who saves us from our sins, but in the Bible it has a rich and wonderful variety of meanings having nothing to do with the afterlife.
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25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
(John 11:25-27)

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
(John 5:24-30)

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
(Luke 23:42-43)


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• Sacrifice: now refers to Jesus’s death on the cross as payment for our sins, but in the Bible it is never about substitutionary payment for sin.
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The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!(John 1:29)


This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.(Matthew 26:28)

Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings —external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance —now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
16 In the case of a will,[d] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 When Moses had proclaimed every command of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.”[e] 21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
(Hebrew Chapter 9)




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i guess these verses shoudl wrap up the thread and the borg issue.

36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing —testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God[d]?
45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”
(John 5:41-47)

26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
(John 15:26-27)


13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you (John 16:13-15)




I guess if one invalidtaes and dismisses some of Jesus's teachings, how all these verses in this thread interrelate may not be as apparent to those who strive in belief.



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16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. (John 7:16-19)


See video

- where could i go but to the Lord - Elvis

49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” (John 12:49-50)


45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. (John 6:45)



13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)

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Witch wrote:

paradox3 wrote:

Would love to hear Marcus Borg in person, some time.

You know it's really cute when you write things like that alongside your snoopy avatar lol

 

Okay.

 

Snoopy stays.

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redbaron338 wrote:

SG wrote:

Jesus had long hair and was writing in the dirt and he had a band of disciples and thus we have the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

...and, of course, the disciples spent a lot of time Fishin' in the Dark.

 

(Sorry.)

and not enough lying on their backs and countin' the stars?

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StephenBoothoot wrote:
16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. (John 7:16-19)

See video

- where could i go but to the Lord - Elvis

49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” (John 12:49-50)

45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. (John 6:45)

13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)

Luke 18:

 

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed abouta himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

You might want to read that one twice, SB

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why do you consider that im looking down and confident of my own righteousness.?

because i share in the Gospels as is?


or because i share in them as a whole?

the post you quoted was me holding up Jesus's teachings that is for all mankind, its not about me alone, its about all of us.


anyway, ive had enough of your nonsense, your efforst seem to be exhausted resulting in frivously , empty stabs such as that post.


read it in context of the thread.


later. dont feel you need to address anymore of my posts, at this time im not interested in yoru viewpoints and 'advice'


thats okay.


bye.

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why do you consider that im looking down and confident of my own righteousness.?

because i share in the Gospels as is?


or because i share in them as a whole?

the post you quoted was me holding up Jesus's teachings that is for all mankind, its not about me alone, its about all of us.


anyway, ive had enough of your nonsense,it seems your efforst are exhausted resulting in frivously , empty stabs such as that post.


read my post in context of the threads.


later. dont feel you need to address anymore of my posts, at this time im not interested in yoru viewpoints and 'advice'


and thats okay.


bye.

btw regarding the many things you have said to me, its okay, its forgotten, i just ask you stop now, please and thank you.

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If you don't want me commenting on your posts, perhaps you should consider not posting them in a public forum?

 

 

In any case I see you posts as self-serving, self-righteous and incredibly damaging. I will continue to do my best to mitigate the damage you cause.

 

 

It's only because I love you, of course....

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what im asking is, why do you feel i dont conisder myself a sinner, in also my relation to prayer, and furthermore, compare such a righteousness as to look down at the falling shortings of my brother in such a manner as to serve my pride. lets not confuse, correcting and rebukeing and such things as simply sharing in the teachings as a whole, striving to explore them all and considering how they may relate together, and as well, the focus of such being the teachings relating to Jesus as Christ and the teachings of Jesus's relating and the writing of the Apostles relating.

i dont feel much of what i share in relating to the importance of and relevance of to Christianity is of any great revolutionary concepts.

i have been in heated discussions and have made mistakes and i have apologized peticularily to gord and s.davis, gord for a 'labeling' i made which was more out of a a+b=c question , yet i was improper in my handling and i do apologize, to sdavis for a labeling i said privatly to him.


I did apologize and it was sometime ago, im willing to speak to anybody in relation to reconciliation.


i dont think you would be able to say i label people this way and that way, nor can anyone suggest i have a history of it, i strive to avoid it. and all this is not to say i dont explore issues and share in concerns.

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StephenBoothoot wrote:
what im asking is, why do you feel i dont conisder myself a sinner,

 

Perhaps because you never tell us anything?

 

Do you beling to a church ow or did you belong to one or any other organisation? How old are you? do you have children? do you have siblings? Are you challeneged by any illes or disabilities. Are you married? Do you work? and if so what kind of work?  do you have or evr had a girlfiriend or boyfreind? What are the mistakes or sins you believ that you are responsible for.

 

The problems with your posts is that the do not have a conext. Words without context have no meaning to me.  It also makes it appear that you are hiding something.

 

So open up abouyt yourself and people might relate

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Alex wrote:

StephenBoothoot wrote:
what im asking is, why do you feel i dont conisder myself a sinner,

 

you wrote:"

Perhaps because you never tell us anything?

 

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yes i do, i share much. how does that put me in that role though?

 

 

 

Do you beling to a church ow or did you belong to one or any other organisation? How old are you? do you have children? do you have siblings? Are you challeneged by any illes or disabilities. Are you married? Do you work? and if so what kind of work?  do you have or evr had a girlfiriend or boyfreind? What are the mistakes or sins you believ that you are responsible for.

 

 

you know, i make a lot of threads, some you may feel are more scriputral and without 'context' (somehow) and you may find some are, explore them all, i made one regarding sin, and spoke much of myself and wrongdoings, i think such was a process interrupted by some members as some members discussed.....what do you think?

 

 

so you see.......either way? right?

 

 

The problems with your posts is that the do not have a conext. Words without context have no meaning to me.  It also makes it appear that you are hiding something.

 

So open up abouyt yourself and people might relate

 

because the envroment has been so warm and fuzzy to me?

 

 

everyone,

 

i want to clarify, i shouldnt say i labelled sdavis something, i didnt really, what i did was ridicule him regarding a item, which was uncalled for, i told him it was uncalled for and i apologized quite quickly.

 

with gord, it was another person saying that the scriptures say that so and so that does such and such is a such and such , with gord in convo (of thread) i said ' then you are a ____' to mean in context of convo, as to say , so then you are a ____ (?), i didnt put a question mark, and i should have or better yet asked "if it says this and that, doesnt it seem liek this and that, how do you feel about this and that".

 

regardless of the clarifications, i was in the wrong, i apologize and did so and stand by such things as mistakes.

 

i will also mention that these things were over a year ago and i think reconciliation has been strived for , as it can be, at this point.

 

later.

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