Gummy.Worm.
"I'm a born again heterosexual" "and I'm a flying pig"
Posted on: 05/29/2010 01:59
well, I think that the whole "born again heterosexual" thing is a load of bull, unless you were actually gay by choice... oh, and let me clear this argument up. There are people who choose to be gay, for past relationship problems, or wanting to try something new, or for whatever reason and then there are the people who just were born that way, and can't help it. The people who think all gay people made a choice are probably stereotyping because of one or two people. anyways, back to my original point, I don't belive that the whole born again thing is real, it can't possibly change what I belive to be chemically programed into the brain... what do you think? and what do they do to "change" a person?
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jon71
Exodus and other
Posted on: 05/29/2010 06:44
Exodus and other organizations like that have a zero percent success rate due to sexual orientation being a hard-wired part of who we are. All they ever do is convince people to go back in the closet.
MorningCalm
You're post really
Posted on: 05/29/2010 07:44
You're post really disappoints me, Gummy. I wanted to read more about the flying pig.
chansen
Clearly, the pig was
Posted on: 05/29/2010 07:56
Clearly, the pig was predestined.
MistsOfSpring
Agreed, Gummy worm. As for
Posted on: 05/29/2010 08:52
Agreed, Gummy worm.
As for the flying pig, can you imagine bacon wings? Mmmmmmm...
Tyson
chansen wrote: Clearly, the
Posted on: 05/29/2010 09:27
Clearly, the pig was predestined.
Now, THAT'S funny.
southpaw
Is there a point to this
Posted on: 05/29/2010 09:30
Is there a point to this thread, or are you just venting?
blackbelt
predestined pigs?
Posted on: 05/29/2010 09:45
predestined pigs?
GRR
blackbelt wrote: predestined
Posted on: 05/29/2010 10:09
predestined pigs?
And all I had for breakfast was cereal
southpaw
Yesterday, on Steve and
Posted on: 05/29/2010 10:47
Yesterday, on Steve and Chris, they showed how to make an edible bacon bowl out of real bacon. I don't think it was from a flying pig, unless the bacon was flown in from somewhere else.
trishcuit
Yesterday, on Steve and
Posted on: 05/29/2010 12:51
Yesterday, on Steve and Chris, they showed how to make an edible bacon bowl out of real bacon. I don't think it was from a flying pig, unless the bacon was flown in from somewhere else.
sounds American.
Happy Genius
Well, I've learned a lot so
Posted on: 05/29/2010 17:30
Well, I've learned a lot so far...
My contra bution: I've heard that the pig is very literate, having pen and oink....
southpaw
And they have genetically
Posted on: 05/29/2010 18:36
And they have genetically altered the pig's hooves so it can be kosher. How do we know it wasn't election instead of predestination?
blackbelt
southpaw wrote: And they have
Posted on: 05/29/2010 19:12
And they have genetically altered the pig's hooves so it can be kosher. How do we know it wasn't election instead of predestination?
simple , if they were elected, they would be sporting this ,,,,
Gummy.Worm.
well, I was wondering if
Posted on: 05/30/2010 00:18
well, I was wondering if I could get peoples opinions on whether they thought the whole born again heterosexual thing is real or a load of bull, but feel free to talk about bacon if you want :/
jon71
You asked a serious question
Posted on: 05/30/2010 05:36
You asked a serious question gummy and I hope we get back to it. I'll add to what I said and say that Exodus Int. and such are flat out evil. They molest and torture people to try and change them from the person that GOD innerantly created. It's not only sick it's blasphemous. I hope this isn't too heavy.
RevMatt
Gummy - I vote load of bull.
Posted on: 05/30/2010 09:44
Gummy - I vote load of bull.
Gummy.Worm.
it's not too heavy, you can
Posted on: 05/30/2010 14:19
it's not too heavy, you can read about heavier thing in magazines, like Matthew Shepard:(
clergychickita
Beshpin wrote: Well, to point
Posted on: 05/30/2010 18:01
Well, to point out the obvious just because it hasn't worked so far does not mean that it will not work in the future. We have only just discovered how to fly and we have tried to many times before. Does that mean that human flight is impossible or a load of bull?
whaaaa? Not every line of scientific inquiry deserves to be investigated... Finding a way to travel more quickly from one place to another seems like a justifiable line of investigation (although we hadn't factored in the high use of fossil fuels, noise pollution, etc). What's the basis for trying to change someone's sexual orientation? Just to see if you can? No, of course not -- you have to start by labeling gay orientation as "wrong," so then you have justification to try to change it. But the simpler solution would be to ask 1) does anyone get harmed by this orientation (lived out sexually between consenting adults)? and since the answer is no, why wouldn't we accept it as part of the diversity of the human experience?
Sorry to the person who started this thread if that was a bit long -- short answer is that "ex-gay" ministries are misguided on paper and truly harmful in practice. shalom
blackbelt
Gummy.Worm. wrote: well,
Posted on: 05/30/2010 22:35
well, I was wondering if I could get peoples opinions on whether they thought the whole born again heterosexual thing is real or a load of bull, but feel free to talk about bacon if you want :/
ok,
born again experience is very real, who is born again , where ever there find themselves life is up to God
jlin
Gummy I'll take you
Posted on: 05/31/2010 01:51
Gummy
I'll take you seriously. My perception, is that there are a lot of bisex and androgyns out there/here and that switch hitting is not a problem. Just love who loves you back, regardless.
Warped_Purity
Beshpin wrote: clergychickita
Posted on: 05/31/2010 03:02
whaaaa? Not every line of scientific inquiry deserves to be investigated... Finding a way to travel more quickly from one place to another seems like a justifiable line of investigation (although we hadn't factored in the high use of fossil fuels, noise pollution, etc). What's the basis for trying to change someone's sexual orientation? Just to see if you can? No, of course not -- you have to start by labeling gay orientation as "wrong," so then you have justification to try to change it. But the simpler solution would be to ask 1) does anyone get harmed by this orientation (lived out sexually between consenting adults)? and since the answer is no, why wouldn't we accept it as part of the diversity of the human experience?
Sorry to the person who started this thread if that was a bit long -- short answer is that "ex-gay" ministries are misguided on paper and truly harmful in practice. shalom
To be quite fair, some people MAY want the service and it should be available if it is viable. People in the 20's-50's may have thought that SRS may have been harmful and thus would have, like you, declined interest and follow-up into such procedures. If we developed a system to change gender, there's no reason why we shouldn't have a way to change sexuality.
But the only success would be in, as gummy.worm.phiolosophy stated, people who choose to be gay, conciously or subconciously. Many of the other people who choose the service may be trying to escape persecution by parents, friends, family, or community by going into a state of denial and believing themselves to be 'broken' or have a problem. Therapy and public education are better suited to these situations than a group that likes to fuel self conciousness, self doubt, and hatred.
sighsnootles
Beshpin wrote: To be quite
Posted on: 05/31/2010 05:22
To be quite fair, some people MAY want the service and it should be available if it is viable. People in the 20's-50's may have thought that SRS may have been harmful and thus would have, like you, declined interest and follow-up into such procedures. If we developed a system to change gender, there's no reason why we shouldn't have a way to change sexuality.
an interesting thought...
although right now, we don't have a way to change sexual orientation that is safe.
Smote
Very interesting. We're off
Posted on: 05/31/2010 14:44
Very interesting. We're off in X-Men territory! I always applauded the parallels they drew so well. Particularly the third movie:
Dr. Hank McCoy: A major pharmaceutical company has developed a mutant antibody — a way to suppress the mutant "X" gene.
Logan: Suppress?
McCoy: Permanently. They're calling it a cure.
If you were one of the X-Men (oh, just run with it) and someone offered you a needle to change you from a mutant to a human would you agree to it? Rogue decided to (a brave move by the writers). Mystique and Magneto and had it done to them against their will, Angel's parents tried to (unsuccessfully) strap their son down to give it to him, thinking they knew best. After all, who wouldn't want to be normal given the chance?
Azdgari
Not just "normal", but
Posted on: 05/31/2010 15:39
Not just "normal", but "non-sinful" as well - bringing the analogy back to homosexuality in our own culture.
Alex
I don't believe in born again
Posted on: 05/31/2010 16:04
I don't believe in born again heterosexual. Nothing can be called again, if you were never that to begin with. However I do believe in flying pigs. Here are videos of them. Flying Pig and son of flying pig. The banks hire flying pigs in Ottawa to entertain those in back machine line ups, and those that wait for change to come from Parliament. It's true I have Youtube videos of them,
Wisewyldwomyn
I disagree that people are
Posted on: 05/31/2010 19:10
I disagree that people are "gay by choice." That is like saying that gay people who have married opposite sex spouses were "heterosexual by choice." Yes, they chose to be in heterosexual relationships but were they ever really heterosexual?
People that would fit under your "gay by choice" category are more likely bisexual and just cutting out 1/2 the population for some reason (like you said- bad experiences or whatever). No, not every person in the world is bisexual (Kinsey be damned).
I am bisexual myself. I have been in relationships with men, and am currently in a relationship with a woman. I don't turn straight when I am dating a man, or lesbian when I date a woman.
A far as the ex- gay ministy thing (always attached to religion...the APA has written out against so-called "reparative therapy") it is a load of bunk. Two very funny movies, "But I am a Cheerleader", and "Queer Duck", make that point very well.
Shawna
Smote
I love But I'm a Cheerleader!
Posted on: 05/31/2010 17:08
I love But I'm a Cheerleader! What a movie. RuPaul is fantastic.
Tyson
Smote wrote: ..........
Posted on: 05/31/2010 21:55
.......... After all, who wouldn't want to be normal given the chance?
Normal is boring.
Smote
Exactement.
Posted on: 05/31/2010 21:58
Exactement.
Tyson
GoldenRule wrote: blackbelt
Posted on: 05/31/2010 22:51
predestined pigs?
And all I had for breakfast was cereal
Then sprinkle some bacon bits on those Cheerios, brother.
blackbelt
consumingfire V4.1
Posted on: 05/31/2010 23:02
predestined pigs?
And all I had for breakfast was cereal
Then sprinkle some bacon bits on those Cheerios, brother.
and beer
Tyson
blackbelt
Posted on: 05/31/2010 23:12
predestined pigs?
And all I had for breakfast was cereal
Then sprinkle some bacon bits on those Cheerios, brother.
and beer
The perfect breakfast.
MorningCalm
consumingfire V4.1 wrote: The
Posted on: 06/01/2010 06:57
The perfect breakfast.
They should have bacon-flavored cheerios. Wonder why the good folks at General Mills never came up with that one.
airclean33
Hi- Gummy Worm--What you ask,
Posted on: 06/01/2010 08:10
Hi- Gummy Worm--What you ask, normally I would give you a lot more Information than you what you need or want . So I'll just say your first Idea I believe was a good one. There are a lot of smart people on wondercafe.Read an lison to all . then make up your mind what you want. When it comes to you , your the boss. Just like the rest of all of all of us you have to choose. good luck and may God bless. airclean33
Tyson
jae wrote: consumingfire V4.1
Posted on: 06/01/2010 09:00
The perfect breakfast.
They should have bacon-flavored cheerios. Wonder why the good folks at General Mills never came up with that one.
You should submit it as a new flavor. You would become a millionaire.
Warped_Purity
consumingfire V4.1 wrote: jae
Posted on: 06/01/2010 10:51
The perfect breakfast.
They should have bacon-flavored cheerios. Wonder why the good folks at General Mills never came up with that one.
You should submit it as a new flavor. You would become a millionaire.
But you'd be a billionaire if you created your own cereal company and released it :P
Tyson
Warped_Purity
Posted on: 06/01/2010 13:25
The perfect breakfast.
They should have bacon-flavored cheerios. Wonder why the good folks at General Mills never came up with that one.
You should submit it as a new flavor. You would become a millionaire.
But you'd be a billionaire if you created your own cereal company and released it :P
That is also true. Wise choice, young grasshopper. Wise choice indeed.
Gummy.Worm.
wisewyldwomyn... I said that
Posted on: 06/01/2010 14:00
wisewyldwomyn... I said that SOME people are gay by choice, they chose to be with the same sex and they found it cool... those are the people who don't help the image of people who were born that way.
southpaw
Oh man oh man oh man, I'll
Posted on: 06/01/2010 14:43
Oh man oh man oh man, I'll tell you what it's better than being a dang ol' flying heterosexual and a dang ol' born again pig, I"ll tell you what, dang ol' man.
Warped_Purity
Gummy.Worm.
Posted on: 06/01/2010 15:20
wisewyldwomyn... I said that SOME people are gay by choice, they chose to be with the same sex and they found it cool... those are the people who don't help the image of people who were born that way.
Let's not forget the unconcious factor, some people do exactly that, but without thinking about it.
GRR
Gummy.Worm. wrote: well,
Posted on: 06/01/2010 19:33
well, I was wondering if I could get peoples opinions on whether they thought the whole born again heterosexual thing is real or a load of bull, but feel free to talk about bacon if you want :/
It's bull.
As you mention in another note, there are almost certainly those who are bisexual who may find it fairly easy to claim to have "seen the light" and become interested in only the opposite sex. But for someone who is totally same-gender oriented, changing that is no more "real" than it would be for a fully opposite-gender oriented person to change theirs.
Kinda like the old Jewish conversions to Christianity during the Inquisition IMNSHO
jlin
Gummy.Worm.
Posted on: 06/01/2010 21:32
wisewyldwomyn... I said that SOME people are gay by choice, they chose to be with the same sex and they found it cool... those are the people who don't help the image of people who were born that way.
gummy. The letters of the movement are GLBT or LGTB or some configuration. Do you think that gay/lesbians are helping out bi's? Man, bi's get so much crap from the GL crowd that it's just plain nasty. And, bi's are not doing it to satisfy society. It is an honest shildhood understood and spiritual longing to see deeper into people than the just the sex parts to aknowledge the validity of the dual gender and see it as one not two. It is deep and you never get over it even if you choose to be with someone who happens to be of one gender or another.
Warped_Purity
I've heard some strong
Posted on: 06/02/2010 02:05
I've heard some strong arguments against the existence of bisexuality, as well as scientific evidence that homosexuality is biological. Taking this into consideration, I see bisexuality as being sexually attracted to one gender in the traditional manner, which can be integrated into a strong relationship, while also having intense feelings towards the other gender due to aesthetic appeal, from which sexual attraction is derived. What do you guys think?
Pilgrims Progress
(I tried to quote you jlin -
Posted on: 06/02/2010 02:33
(I tried to quote you jlin - but somehow I stuffed it up!)
I'm responding to your post.
I just assumed that bi's were physically attracted to both male and female bodies - and have often wondered how that could be - seeing that they are so different?
Maybe this concept of spiritual longing is connected - jlin, can you develop this idea further as I'm not sure what you mean?
Smote
Warped_Purity, could you cite
Posted on: 06/02/2010 10:37
Warped_Purity, could you cite some of the arguments?
Smote
jlin wrote: gummy. The
Posted on: 06/02/2010 10:36
gummy. The letters of the movement are GLBT or LGTB or some configuration. Do you think that gay/lesbians are helping out bi's? Man, bi's get so much crap from the GL crowd that it's just plain nasty. And, bi's are not doing it to satisfy society. It is an honest shildhood understood and spiritual longing to see deeper into people than the just the sex parts to aknowledge the validity of the dual gender and see it as one not two. It is deep and you never get over it even if you choose to be with someone who happens to be of one gender or another
Hilary
Pilgrims Progress wrote: I
Posted on: 06/02/2010 11:17
I just assumed that bi's were physically attracted to both male and female bodies - and have often wondered how that could be - seeing that they are so different?
I like lots of things that are very different from each other - broccoli, giraffes, the smell of paper, ballet, red hair... I can easily see why someone would find two very different human bodies attractive. Or neither.
Pilgrims Progress
Hilary wrote: Pilgrims
Posted on: 06/02/2010 17:10
I just assumed that bi's were physically attracted to both male and female bodies - and have often wondered how that could be - seeing that they are so different?
I like lots of things that are very different from each other - broccoli, giraffes, the smell of paper, ballet, red hair..
Possum, "liking" is one thing - having sex with is another.
Okay, I admit I'm out of my depth here - just trying to understand, that's all.
Hilary
eek! I'm trying not to
Posted on: 06/02/2010 17:40
eek! I'm trying not to picture the broccoli!
I get what you're saying, Pilgrim. I only meant that for some people it's as obvious as saying that they like giraffes and the smell of paper.
Pilgrims Progress
Hilary wrote: eek! I'm
Posted on: 06/02/2010 17:49
eek! I'm trying not to picture the broccoli!
I get what you're saying, Pilgrim. I only meant that for some people it's as obvious as saying that they like giraffes and the smell of paper.
eek! I'm trying not to picture the giraffe!
(That long neck of yours is a bit of a worry.)