You're post really disappoints me, Gummy. I wanted to read more about the flying pig.

Agreed, Gummy worm.

As for the flying pig, can you imagine bacon wings?  Mmmmmmm...

Is there a point to this thread, or are you just venting?

And all I had for breakfast was cereal

 Yesterday, on Steve and Chris, they showed how to make an edible bacon bowl out of real bacon.  I don't think it was from a flying pig, unless the bacon was flown in from somewhere else.

sounds American.

And they have genetically altered the pig's hooves so it can be kosher.  How do we know it wasn't election instead of predestination?

You asked a serious question gummy and I hope we get back to it. I'll add to what I said and say that Exodus Int. and such are flat out evil. They molest and torture people to try and change them from the person that GOD innerantly created. It's not only sick it's blasphemous. I hope this isn't too heavy.

Ah yes, just as the spherical world, or non-heliocentric universe was blasphemous.

whaaaa?  Not every line of scientific inquiry deserves to be investigated...  Finding a way to travel more quickly from one place to another seems like a justifiable line of investigation  (although we hadn't factored in the high use of fossil fuels, noise pollution, etc).  What's the basis for trying to change someone's sexual orientation?   Just to see if you can?  No, of course not -- you have to start by labeling gay orientation as "wrong," so then you have justification to try to change it.  But the simpler solution would be to ask 1) does anyone get harmed by this orientation (lived out sexually between consenting adults)? and since the answer is no, why wouldn't we accept it as part of the diversity of the human experience?

Sorry to the person who started this thread if that was a bit long -- short answer is that "ex-gay" ministries are misguided on paper and truly harmful in practice.  shalom

To be quite fair, some people MAY want the service and it should be available if it is viable. People in the 20's-50's may have thought that SRS may have been harmful and thus would have, like you, declined interest and follow-up into such procedures. If we developed a system to change gender, there's no reason why we shouldn't have a way to change sexuality.

But the only success would be in, as gummy.worm.phiolosophy stated, people who choose to be gay, conciously or subconciously.  Many of the other people who choose the service may be trying to escape persecution by parents, friends, family, or community by going into a state of denial and believing themselves to be 'broken' or have a problem.  Therapy and public education are better suited to these situations than a group that likes to fuel self conciousness, self doubt, and hatred.

Very interesting. We're off in X-Men territory! I always applauded the parallels they drew so well. Particularly the third movie:

Dr. Hank McCoy: A major pharmaceutical company has developed a mutant antibody — a way to suppress the mutant "X" gene.
Logan: Suppress?
McCoy: Permanently. They're calling it a cure.

If you were one of the X-Men (oh, just run with it) and someone offered you a needle to change you from a mutant to a human would you agree to it? Rogue decided to (a brave move by the writers). Mystique and Magneto and had it done to them against their will, Angel's parents tried to (unsuccessfully) strap their son down to give it to him, thinking they knew best. After all, who wouldn't want to be normal given the chance?

I don't believe in born again heterosexual. Nothing can be called again, if you were never that to begin with. However I do believe in flying pigs. Here are videos of them.  Flying Pig and son of flying pig.  The banks hire flying pigs in Ottawa to entertain those in back machine line ups, and those that wait for change to come from Parliament.   It's true I have Youtube videos of them,

I love But I'm a Cheerleader! What a movie. RuPaul is fantastic.

Exactement.

and beer

They should have bacon-flavored cheerios. Wonder why the good folks at General Mills never came up with that one.

You should submit it as a new flavor. You would become a millionaire.

That is also true. Wise choice, young grasshopper. Wise choice indeed.

Oh man oh man oh man, I'll tell you what it's better than being a dang ol' flying heterosexual and a dang ol' born again pig, I"ll tell you what, dang ol' man.

It's bull.

As you mention in another note, there are almost certainly those who are bisexual who may find it fairly easy to claim to have "seen the light" and become interested in only the opposite sex. But for someone who is totally same-gender oriented, changing that is no more "real" than it would be for a fully opposite-gender oriented person to change theirs.

Kinda like the old Jewish conversions to Christianity during the Inquisition IMNSHO

I've heard some strong arguments against the existence of bisexuality, as well as scientific evidence that homosexuality is biological.  Taking this into consideration, I see bisexuality as being sexually attracted to one gender in the traditional manner, which can be integrated into a strong relationship, while also having intense feelings towards the other gender due to aesthetic appeal, from which sexual attraction is derived.  What do you guys think?

Warped_Purity, could you cite some of the arguments?

I like lots of things that are very different from each other - broccoli, giraffes, the smell of paper, ballet, red hair...  I can easily see why someone would find two very different human bodies attractive.  Or neither.