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A Newbie

Hi Everyone!

I'm new to this board and have been surfing the various threads and find no mention of the angelics, spirit guides, nature spirits or other members of our beloved extended spirit family.  So my initial question is - is this topic appropriate?  And if it is appropriate would you like to add your thoughts, experiences etc. to this thread?  Thanks!

 

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Floribunda

 

Welcome.

 

Sounds like a good topic to me.  Actually I've never given them much, if any, thought.  No time like the present to think about them.

 

Shalom

Mate

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I'm a newbie too, & I'd like to welcome you!

Just be prepared as there are alot of different beliefs & opinions so as long as you don't take to heart that someone may disagree & have an alternate opinion.

I'm shure you may find this place quite cool.

 

 

Bolt

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Hi Floibunda. Glad to see you here. Post a new thread .I know a lot of folk who have an interest in your topic. AND there will be others who don't. But carry on.

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Yes,

Your topic is appropriate.

Welcome to this world

My brain seems to swell up from what I've learned here.

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Hi Floribunda,

 

Welcome to the cafe...I don't know much about your subject but would be interested to read opinions and certainly find it appropriate. 

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Hi Floribunda:

 

Welcome to wondercafe! And yes, any spirit is just as welcome.

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Thank you all so much for the warm welcome!

 

Now I'm at a standstill!?  I threw a topic out there but it's just so big I don't know where to begin.  OK, two points -

Firstly, every religion I have ever researched talks of angels.  I read of them once referred to as "the fingertips of God" and I've always liked that.

Secondly, does anyone out there recognize Mother Earth as a conscious,living entity?

Have a great day!

 

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welcome floribunda!  unfortunately i don't have time to answer as in depth as i would like at this time, but i will add more later.

 

to answer your first question, about the belief in angels, yes i don believe in angels.  there was a thread a few months back that i believe stardust started about angels which i really enjoyed,  so i'm glad this topic is being revisited :)  that thread ended much sooner than i would have liked :(

 

i'm still undecided whether i believe mother earth is a "conscious" entity, but after watching oui's "we are all one" post, it makes a great deal of sense.  the wisdom and oneness of the natives has always fascinated me.  this planet and all it's inhabitants are sacred --- i LOVE that way of thinking.  i think sometimes we tend to forget that we are stewards of this planet and sometimes it is argued here, by a small few, that "worshipping" this earth is wrong.  i disagree.  belief in a creator means that  everything is god's creation. everything is sacred.  the air, the water and the earth.  it is all part of us.  without it we would cease to exist.  explotation and destruction of it will be our own demise.  in oui's clip the elder mention's that mother earth is retaliating, as any protective mother would, under attack, to protect what is dear to her, hence "mother nature".

 

shoot, i have to run.  i'll check back in soon.  thanks for the discussion and once again, welcome.

 

j

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Floribunda wrote:

Thank you all so much for the warm welcome!

 

Now I'm at a standstill!?  I threw a topic out there but it's just so big I don't know where to begin.  OK, two points -

Firstly, every religion I have ever researched talks of angels.  I read of them once referred to as "the fingertips of God" and I've always liked that.

Secondly, does anyone out there recognize Mother Earth as a conscious,living entity?

Have a great day!

 

 

Yes, Floribunda. To me, the cosmic totality, or Kosmos, is God, and Earth Mother Gaia is a sub-deity within Kosmos.

 

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Greetings!

 

Hey, Floribunda - welcome to Wondercafe.  I don't think you'll find any topic off limits here at WC - looking forward to seeing more of your topic starters and posts.

 

I think there are ministering agents (angels) of God all around us.

 

Hope, peace, joy, love ...

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Floribunda wrote:

Thank you all so much for the warm welcome!

 

Now I'm at a standstill!?  I threw a topic out there but it's just so big I don't know where to begin.  OK, two points -

Firstly, every religion I have ever researched talks of angels.  I read of them once referred to as "the fingertips of God" and I've always liked that.

Secondly, does anyone out there recognize Mother Earth as a conscious,living entity?

Have a great day!

 

Yes I also believe that angels are real, my take may differ from yours about them though, but that is just an assumption to be honest.

I also believe the earth to be a living thing as a whole, & does have a cirtain character about it as described & how I've yet accepted the earths role on all things.

This is my take.

 

What's yours?

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Greetings Everyone!

Thank you all so much for your input.  So much to ponder!  Thought I'd check in before I really have to hit the grindstone.  Our daughter and her boyfriend will be joining the rest of the family for supper.  They live out of town.  Hold on to your chairs - she requested squash!?!?  I'm still in shock myself.  LOL!

momsfruitcake:  A good friend of mine is a shaman - working with native wisdom.  And I agree.  Worshipping the Earth is wrong just as worshipping angels or any  being other than God is wrong.  But hey, what do I know?!  But you can honour, respect, cherish, befriend etc.  And you wrote that oui said beloved Mother Earth was ticked off royally.  I couldn't agree more but IMHO that has passed.

 

Right on Arminius!  ;))

 

boltupright - Let's expand on your statement.  What about the angels of water, the angels of prosperity, the angels of nature, the angels of air etc. etc.?  For God so loves all of His creation that every aspect is cared for and nurtured?

I look in my dogs eyes sometimes and think to myself "Who are you.?"  Do you ever talk to and honour the spirit of the trees, the lakes, the birds, the storms, the sun?  How do we know we weren't a rock, a bird, a tree in a former existance?  As a former Trappist monk once said to me - "It's the difference between reading the menu and eating the meal.  Ya gotta live it."  But then, I don't believe in the "fall."  I truly believe we made a conscious decision to journey to this reality and experience seperation from Source.  School, so to speak.  Spiritual maturity so to speak.  Shoot, shoot, shoot - gotta get to work.  Thanks again and have a great day everyone!

 

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Floribunda

Nice to meet you and it sounds like you are interesting.

 

Ah....finally someone whose been eating from the New Age tree?  Some of its philosophy is great and some of it is fantasy or wishful thinking, superstition etc. Whatever it is, I'm an addict since going on maybe 5 years now. I combine its beliefs  with the older more depressing traditional  religions. New Age is sure uplifting and  positive with a wonderful flavour of the supernatural.

 

Angels? Angels are spoken of throughout the bible as messengers sent by the Lord. It was often the way the Lord of the Old T. communicated. We read : "the angel of the Lord" was sent or appeared to so-and-so and of course in the New T. somewhat too. I call on God to send his angels! Real or not, what do I have to lose.....lol.

 

 

A man called Nick Bunick who was an atheist had angels appear to him using the numbers 444. At the very same time other people were seeing 444 and felt guided to call Nick. Finally Nick wrote a best seller about his experience. It has sold over a million copies and is on its second copy. He's been trying to make a movie.

 

Talk about spooky! I was talking to Nick on a forum making fun of him and laughing at his 444 angels. So...he said if I continued laughing he would wake me up every morning at 4:44.  I didn't laugh so hard when I really did wake up at 4:44 for three mornings in a row. It freaked me right out!

 

From what I gather angels speak to people by way of intuition or a hunch. I think Christians probably call it the Holy Spirit. We are not to worship angels and I don't think the New Age people do. The bible says Jesus could have called 10,000 angels or something like that before he was  crucified.

 

Gaia ? I love the way the New Agers appreciate and revere mother earth. Some also believe Gaia holds karma meaning the earth is cleansed through catastrophies  like the tsunami. These thoughts are a little  too strong  for me.

 

Natives? Shamanism etc. I love reading about people's experiences how one can become a rabbit and go down a rabbit hole becoming one with the rabbit. Totally amazing, incredible, wonderful. mysterious.

 

Spirit guides? Many New Agers believe in them. I'm a fraidy cat myself reading but not practicing New Age other than thought control, positive thinking etc. I used to read on the old beliefnet.com  forums and they had these topics. They changed the format; not so good so I don't visit too often anymore.

 

All Rightie! Did I respond a little bit....wow...huge interesting topic. I love it! Bring it on....

 

Oh yes, on New Age forums we give lots of love and hugs.

 

(((((((((((((((((((Floribunda  ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

 

 

 

 

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Floribunda

I posted this a few times before but maybe you will like it.

Archangel Meditation

This is the archangel meditation that Rabbi Cooper created:
(1.1, pp. 144-146)
(Rabbi Cooper also has a web site:
http://www.rabbidavidcooper.com/)

Try to find a quiet place
where you will not be disturbed for 20-30 minutes.

Close your eyes, relax your body, and breathe normally.

Allow your attention to focus on the experience of your body and the movements of your chest and stomach around your breath.

Let yourself imagine that you can feel a presence
along the right side of your body and the right side of your face.
it can feel like a subtle pressure,
a tingling, a vibration, heat, coolness, or some other sensation.

If you cannot feel anything,
simply think that something is next to you,
almost touching you on the right side.

Give this experience on the right side the name of Michael,
often viewed as the messenger of G-d.
Be with this experience for a while.

When you are ready, let yourself do the same thing on your left side.
This is the archangel Gabriel,
the emissary of G-d's strength.
You can experience both sides simultaneously.

Stay with this experience for a while.
Allow yourself to sense something behind you,
anywhere along the back side, particularly supporting you
as you are sitting or lying down.

Imagine this is part of what is holding you up.
This is the archangel Raphael,
generally know as the healing power of G-d.

Now you can do all three simultaneously:

Michael, the messenger, on the right,

Gabriel, the strength on the left,

and Raphael, the healer supporting you from behind.

Next, with your eyes still closed, imagine a light is shining ahead of you,
in front of your face.

Allow it to be as bright as you can.
This is the archangel Uriel, the light of G-d.

Now you are surrounded on four sides:
a messenger, strength, healing, and light.

Finally, imagine a huge, benevolent cloud of light
hovering above your body.
This is the Shekhina, the feminine presence of G-d.

Allow the light of the Shekhina to slowly descend,
surrounding you with love,
enveloping you with tender protection,
cradling you in the softest,
most peaceful state of mind you have every experienced.

Surrounded by angels,
you are also in the arms of infinite kindness,
absolute security, and safety.

If you are in bed, this is a wonderful way to drift off to sleep.
If you are sitting, stay as long as you wish in this state of mind.
When you are ready to end the meditation,

however do not get up too abruptly.
It is much better if you are able to reverse the process.

 
 
P.S. Sometimes my print comes huge. I'm using the most large text up top on the WC to read; not sure if it affects my posts.
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Hi Stardust!

Busy, busy day.  Just sitting here in the dark listening to one of our dogs snore, enjoying some quiet time and there you are!  Thanks so much for the meditation.  I'll have to give it a try!  It was nice to see Shekhina's name - don't see her mentioned much out there.

And there's nothing wrong with being cautious.  The shaman's path is definately not for me.  If you're into numerology 4 is representative of the angelics, 3 is the ascended masters and 1 is God.  When the clock is at 11:11 I always pause and think of the Father.

Of course you believe in karma so here comes yours back around!  Zipped through my files and found one of my favourite poems.  I hope you enjoy it.  Good night.

 

Robert Frost (1874–1963). Mountain Interval. 1920.

 

1. The Road Not Taken

 

 

 

     

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,

 

And sorry I could not travel both

 

And be one traveler, long I stood

 

And looked down one as far as I could

 

To where it bent in the undergrowth;

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Then took the other, as just as fair,

 

And having perhaps the better claim,

 

Because it was grassy and wanted wear;

 

Though as for that the passing there

 

Had worn them really about the same,

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And both that morning equally lay

 

In leaves no step had trodden black.

 

Oh, I kept the first for another day!

 

Yet knowing how way leads on to way,

 

I doubted if I should ever come back.

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I shall be telling this with a sigh

 

Somewhere ages and ages hence:

 

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—

 

I took the one less traveled by,

 

And that has made all the difference.

 

 

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Hello floribunda.........God bless you ....

 

Hi flori . welcome to wondercafe....I am a great believer in angels...my Spiritual Guide is of course Christ...are they not all ministering angels set from God above...I believe that when we need strength, faith, patience, courage...that God sends these too us by the angels..created beings..to help us with our journey here...I believe in Good angels and bad angels.....and God does give us the discernment to know one from the other...

 

What you bind on earth is bound in heaven , what you loose on earth is loosed in heaven I believe this scripture covers the binding of bad spirits and looseing of the good spirits..(angels)...if we could only see the angels around us we would be astonished...I believe in the beginning we could ...what a awesome gift that would be...but I know by faith they are there and have watched over and kept my family and friends safe for years....

 

I can sometimes feel the presence of angels....but I will continue to work to become more spiritual and hope one day to see them...

 

IJL:bg

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Hello Floribunda;

 

I too believe in an abundantly populated spirit world, including the spirits of my ancestors, spirits of nature, and spirit guides.

 

I also believe in the earth as a living spirit.

 

I don't have a lot of time to post right now, but I hope to be able to discuss these things with you in time

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Hi bygraceiam!

Tell ya what bygraceiam, you'd be a rare bird indeed if you saw an angel with your physical eyes.  And there's a reason why the first words out of their mouths in the bible when they appear to humans is "Fear not."  LOL!  'Faces like lightning' is how it was described to me once.  Most folks I know have better luck with their third eye or in their dreams.  Gotta ask, gotta be consistant, don't give up.

Thank you so much for the warm welcome and take care.

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Hi Witch!

You said "I too believe in an abundantly populated spirit world"  No kidding!  The older I get the bigger, more complicated - the word "vast" doesn't seem to do it justice - things seem to become.  Or maybe it's just an age thingie?!?!  LOL!

 

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Hi Floribunda!   Welcome to the Cafe.  You'll find that any topic that is not a hurtful expression towards another person or idea is always appropriate here.

 

I'm not sure what I believe in, come angels and spirits.  I believe that emotional imprints can make their way into the fabric of this universe and reverbrate both forwards and backwards in time.  But I don't know if I believe in personal spirits reincarnated, or reaching down from above persay, or becoming angels and God-helpers.

 

I think that Spirit is something we can find in another living soul, whether we put a name to it or not.

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Hi Faerenach!

 

I'm getting the strangest sence of deja vu.  Haven't we met somewhere else?!  LOL!

 

You said:

"I'm not sure what I believe in, come angels and spirits."

Personally speaking?  IMHO it's an evolutionary process.  I'm not the same person I was five years ago and my beliefs and practises have evolved also.  I think it's wonderful that you're being true to yourself.

 

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Tofu anyone?

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Borat!  Dude!  How's it going?!  Who the heck invented tofu?  Gag!  But I will admit I'm a vegetarian.  No, not a vegan, I still allow myself dairy and eggs.

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Floribunda

Thanks for the poem. I have the Scott Peckham book (is it?) somewhere in my stash.

 

Here is a link about the Nasa  stardust project. I remember it was on the net and you could actually participate in it and gather stardust ( no kidding) but you had to download a complicated site and I was afraid it would wreck my computer. My...oh..my....I think its so interesting! And the Seven Sisters blow me away...lol.

Quote from the link:

Years before the mission reached the comet, Ramtha explained how our bodies are made of stardust, something scientists are now beginning to consider and investigate.

"This is what you don't know and haven't even arrived at in your contemplation. What is the greatest starship that ever was? Amino acids. They are the dust that make stars. Amino acids are stardust, electrically activated. Our cells are made of stardust, the living systems of the galactic Void."

"Amino acids have an ingenious quality. Every amino acid chain in your body has an affiliation. They can be tracked on every planetoid and every star in the Void. You know why that is important? Because when God made you, God made you from the dust of the earth as a body. And what in the Void, in its infinite galaxies, is not made of the same dust in variations?"

"If our flesh is made out of stardust, it is actually made out of amino acid chains. There is not one sun in the Milky Way and not one planet that does not abide by amino acids. What is so great about that is if every planet and every star is made out of the dust of our bodies, then the only perfect starship would be a cell whose morphogenic field is compatible with the stars."

"What does that mean? That means that we share a morphogenic field similar to Alpha Centauri. We share a morphogenic field similar to the Seven Sisters. We share a morphogenic field with galaxies unheard of, unmapped, unknown. Why? Because they are all made out of the same stuff as us. Someone who is a microbiologist should have told you that you are stardust."

"So if amino acids are stardust the very viable product of randomness that creates the cosmoses, the galaxies, the supernovas, the gaseous fields, the star fields already gone and yet to become we are made out of the same stuff. Magnificent. Our God did not leave out our accessibility to a star field. As in the old adage, as above, so below, as within, so without, God is consistent. We are stardust."

 
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Floribunda

I know lots of numerology but its not really my thing. Are you familiar with Doreen Virtue? She has lots of books on angel numerology. New Age is big business. Lots of money to be made in books, cds, and seminars. I stick with freebies on the net.

 

HERE'S not Johnny Carson..... but the Seven Sisters...lol. This is a  channelling I would say ; great to keep your imagination alive and well  ... the pic. didn't post.

 

Angels Come From Pleiadies
From other Realms.. | 26 Februari 2007 | 16:37:52
 
Long before coming to grace the Earth with their benign presence, many angels existed in their full cosmic glory in the higher dimensional realm located in the area of space we look towards when marveling at the star cluster Pleiadies – the 7 sisters.  Many still reside there as it is one of their homes and one of the few places they can actually be born into existence. From this location they are living extensions of cosmic mind and still have full
cognizance of the unity of their heartbeat and the heartbeat of the absolute.  Born into awareness, they soak in the energy of the universe until they are drawn to a star system that needs their unique healing talents, patience and virtue.
 
For those angels that have come to Earth, even remaining in the astral realms constituted by the planet’s aura and the projections of her children is an arduous journey which calls for relentless self-sacrifice. 
 
 
Here's the link. I didn't get a chance to read it yet. I like far out stuff:
 

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Hi stardust: Yes, the Seven Sisters of the Pleiades! They are my channelling angels.

 

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Hi stardust!

Thank you so much for a most interesting article!  And there`s a concept I had never heard of before - angels born into existance.  Born.....and with a heartbeat.............talk about blow my mind!

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Really! I'm so excited! I've read of people channelling them.

 

I was thinking about you wondering where you were hiding when I posted. They surely speak about a wonderful tomorrow? 

 

There was a lady new to channelling on a forum and she was stupid enough to divulge the messages she received from "the kingdoms" I believe. She really got beat up badly. The messages were private for her but she didn't understand that so the people said it didn't apply to them and accused her of inventing stories. They were kind loving messages, no harm done to anyone.

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Blows my mind too.........

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Me again stardust!  I think it was Witch I said to earlier that it`s all so big, so vast, so complicated - whew!  OK, here comes your karma back around again!  Something nice to end our day.

 

"Choose to see the pure Soul within all beings,

even though they might not see it in themselves.

Choose to honour the sovereign realty of all beings,

even though their words or actions may hurt you.

Choose to transform through ecstacy and Grace,

even though drama and trauma may seem more natural to

you.

Choose to live in the miraculous NOW moment,

even though nostalgia, regrets and fear may entice you

to not be present.

Choose to be a blessing to the World and All Life,

even though circumstances may encourage you to harden

your heart.

Choose to love others,

even though it may seem naive.

Choose to love God with all your being,

and know that this is all that is really required.

Choose to Live Heaven."

Aliyah Ziondra

 

Good night

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Hi Floribunda: your quote:

Choose to transform through ecstacy and Grace,

even though drama and trauma may seem more natural to

you. (end of quote)
 

 

Beautiful! Here's a writing about healing for anyone who may be in need. We have pallative home care for my husband at the present time. I very often feel held by grace during the trauma and the drama.

 

http://www.the-reflectory.com/outloud.html

 

Quote:

 

Tasbim Sunset/Sunrise Chant
shared by Dana Ludeking

May the Love and the Light and the Healing Energies Please Come to me.

May the Love and the Light and the Healing Energies Please Come surround me.

May the Love and the Light and the Healing Energies Please Flow Through Me.

May the Love and the Light and the Healing Energies Heal all those around me.

Message from Dana: I go through the list and pray or chant my healing prayer I learned in a dream (see chant above). I see us that work as channeling healing or prayers to those in need of them all working together in a big prayer or healing circle. So I pray for all those in the Circle of Healing Light... and the Circle of Healing Light for me extends to everyone and everything, as I believe we all are all connected. I woke up chanting these words one morning after I prayed for a way to send healing to others. I also use Reiki, and Tai Chi, and visualization methods when it comes to channeling healing towards others. Sometimes I wait for a name or situation to jump out at me and I focus more on them. I do a mixture of non-traditional Shamanic methods I have learned from my Spirit friends through dream, and meditation.


 

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Another tasty tidbit from the link above.

Quote:

"Let all my words be of the highest nature - let me speak Truth...let all my actions be a part of my healing nature, let my home be a haven for Healing and unconditional Love."...I am seeing myself speak Truth and I am seeing those healing and loving energies coming from my self and my home, and because I intend it - desire it, see it, and ask for it - it is so!

In Love, Light and Healing...
Rev. Susan H. Aguirre

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Good morning stardust!

 

 

Thank you so much for the above posts.  They were beautiful.  A great way to start the day!  We had the most amazing sunset here a week or two ago.  A lilacie coloured sky.  It was stunning.  I should have taken a picture of it as I've never seen anything quite like that before.

So sorry to hear about your husband.  Trusting he's getting better every day.  If it's alright with you I'll send out a shout out on his behalf in my prayers and meditations today.  Crap!  gotta go get the dogs - talk to you soon!

 

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Floribunda

A lilac sky! That's divinity, huh? You're making me think about St. Germaine and the violet flame. I haven't tried it but people do visualizations. Violet fire can also be made in a fire place. Isn't that something!

I'll post a bit for our lurkers who may have their eye on us cuckoo birds! We don't have many New Age people on the site. Neo, Arminius, James K.....but its a bit hard to define so there are aspects of it.

Thanks for the prayer....sure...of course!

How it works:

http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/meditation/violet-flame-meditation-1lprada.htm

 

Violet Flame/ Violet Ray

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Just as a ray of sunlight passing through a prism is refracted into the seven colors of the rainbow, so spiritual
Light manifests as seven Rays or flames.  Each flame creates a specific action in our body, Mind and Soul just as the DNA Activations, Auric Clearing and Karma Removal clearings stimulate high Frequency and removal of blockages to spiritual Evolution.  The violet flame is the color and frequency of spiritual light that stimulates mercy, justice, Freedom and Transmutation and is overseen by St.Germain. This is associated with the Tesla Purple Energy Plate products.

To transmute is to alter in form, appearance or nature, especially to change something into higher form.  The violet flame is so powerful because in our physical world, violet light has the shortest wavelength and therefore the highest frequency, in the visible spectrum.  This is one of the main benefits of the Purple Energy Plates.  You can also say that this process is alchemical in nature as it is!  Since frequency is directly proportional to Energy, the violet light has the most energy.  That means that it also has the greatest ability to change Matter at the atomic level.  Just as the Auric Clearing, Karmic Removal, Codependency Karma Removal, Emotional Trauma Karma Removal, Parental / Ancestral Karma Removal, Victimization Karma Removal, DNA Activation, J-Seal Removal, and Ascension DNA Activation sessions accomplish.

Edgar Cayce recognized the healing power of the violet ray.  In over nine hundred of his readings, he recommended an electrical device a “violet ray” machine that emits a violet-colored electrical charge – to treat several ailments, including exhaustion, lethargy, poor circulation, digestive problems and nervous disorders.

 

Saint Germain is the head of the 7th ray, Violet Flame.  It is Saint Germain who is in a sense turning the key that is unlocking the new Golden Age on this planet.  He is part of the Great White Brotherhood (white is not for color but for the Aura surrounding this Great Ascended Master) who is very active now in helping humanity to grow spiritually to attain mass ascension.

http://www.frequencyawareness.com/articles/alchemy/violet-flame.html

 

P.S. I don't think the people on the WC are very enthusiastic...lol...but I like to add everything to the spiritual world; all the amazing and incredible ideas or knowledge that can be found. Its most interesting! I'm a big fan of Edgar Cayce since many years. Who knows what's real or not real ? We are free to believe in whatever brings us peace, love, and oneness.

 

Go git your dawg.....laugh....and run over the hills.....

 

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Hi Everyone!

I'm new to this board and have been surfing the various threads and find no mention of the angelics, spirit guides, nature spirits or other members of our beloved extended spirit family.  So my initial question is - is this topic appropriate?  And if it is appropriate would you like to add your thoughts, experiences etc. to this thread?  Thanks!

 

 

Hello Floribunda,

 

Welcome to the cafe.

 

Now on to your post...

 

Angelics... do you mean angels? Well, yes, there are angels. They are God's servants. An angel told Mary that she would give birth while still a virgin. Angels sang the night that Jesus was born. One day Christians will live in Heaven with the angels.

 

Spirit Guides... Not quite sure just who you're talking about there. I desire only one guide, the Spirit of God. He is one person in the Holy Trinity. He leads, helps, and comforts the followers of Jesus.

 

Nature Spirits... not quite sure of just what you mean there either. Although, on at least one episode of Star Trek Voyager, one of the characters had an animal guide he would contact from time to time using some piece of 24th century technology. Star Trek Voyager is, of course, a work of fiction.  

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Hi Jubilee....can you show us one of these angels you're so sure of?  Until you do you won't mind if I lump you in with the poor man that thinks he's Napoleon in the psychiatric ward will you?  He's as sure he's Napoleon as you're as sure there are angels.

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**head snaps toward stardust**...alrighty then, Stardust, now we have some common ground to work on.  I'm not un-impressed by your posts at all, but I don't always connect.

 

It's completely scientific that colors have different wavelengths and energy.  In this same way it has been measured that negative and positive thoughts follow this line.  To give an example...you can relive a disturbing situation by thinking about it and find that your thoughts regulate your feelings, and I think we all have experienced dwelling on negative feelings that have precluded actions we are not overly proud of.  Negative thoughts/feelings actually can actually be measured as low energy.  

 

The opposite is true for positive thoughts/feelings.  The energy measured during just thinking positive, happy thoughts is high.    Colors, thoughts...we experience the highs and lows of energy as this is what we are made of.

 

Jubilee...I made a comment on one thread that I'd like to retract.  Your posts don't give me the slightest hope that you are rational. 

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Atheisto wrote:

Hi Jubilee....can you show us one of these angels you're so sure of?  Until you do you won't mind if I lump you in with the poor man that thinks he's Napoleon in the psychiatric ward will you?  He's as sure he's Napoleon as you're as sure there are angels.

 

Hi Atheisto:

 

But the man in the psych word knows that he is Napoleon, whereas Jubilee believes in angels.

 

As you know, believing is not knowing. As Mark Twain said, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."

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I don't connect with many of  my own posts regarding New Age articles either.

I enjoy reading and sometimes dreaming or imagining endless possiblities. People actually believe in the Ascended Masters such as St. Germaine and the Great White Brotherhood for example. I'm not sure any such great spirits exist but its kind of intriguing to think they could. New Age is totally loaded with so many entities, councils etc. I'd never heard of before in my life. I wouldn't be calling on or partaking of any ....lol...but I do find it rather a change from the traditional religions or beliefs. Mystery religions or the occult I suppose its called by Christians.

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Hi stardust...the labels of New Age, occult, etc. don't influence me, and I can often connect with some of the thoughts if they aren't too wonky...

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Saints and angels are different - saints are us in one sense, and then within the tradition all become saints - in God - as part of God - given that some would say the subject experience of a person can be part of the effect of God, others what we were is added to God and is a general resource.  Now within the catholic tradition saints are efficacious as part of God and praying to them is a hook to hang one's concerns on.  Personally I have problems with this view of saints.

 

Angels within the biblical tradition are illumination of God not actual entities - a way of experiencing God so we don't have personal angels nor do we need to pray to them - for some angels are a nice heuristic device - again I don;t need angels.

 

Mother Earth is a metaphor for the creativity of what is called the material world - the 'experience' is in each actual entity so it is a metaphor for the collection of all actual entities - philosophically mother earth is not a sentient reality - It is a metaphor that is helpful in our care of the earth, and by the way the term was added to native spirituality by anthropology to get at the sacred nature of the earth but it was never an sentient reality - it now is assumed that is what that means.  The problem I have when one gives earth consciousness it is misplace concreteness - sentience is in actual entities - that is panexperiencing is in the individuals.  Now for some mother earth is a metaphor for God but for me it causes philosophical confusion - I see God as relating to the world and the world relating to God but not one and the same - while there are metaphysical similarities of God and world there are also metaphysical differences.  God is enriched in Godself by the relationship God has with the world, and the actual entities within the world are enriched by the relationship God has with them.

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Right! I'm not bothered by the labels either. I learned so much about thought control although its hard to put into practice. Mind is the builder. What you feed grows. We can choose our thoughts and take responsibility for ourselves. For example a person  may come to the WC and go into a rage seeing red about people's opinions and responding in kind.  The reality is that nobody has twisted the person's arm forcing him/her to read the post. He/she has chosen to do it and become angry.

 

The people posting here have a need. Everytime we interact with another person we have a need and they have a need whatever it may be. There is a reason behind it. I'm not the best at explaining.....lol. Its kind of  like taking stock of ourselves, our thinking, and the why of our thinking; self  therapy if you will. Very often  its some old memory or experience from our past that has triggered our rage so we need to ask ourselves: "What was the trigger?" and learn to understand it.

 

Here's an article on synchronicity. It means when events or happenings  fall into place for us almost as if they are being guided or arranged somehow by the universe (or God ) maybe? Its kind of like links on the net; one link leads to another for our benefit. I've noticed though that people  can really go overboard in this area into being self centered  and superstitious meaning every little happening revolves around them and their world. They read meanings into an event that isn't warranted like crossing the street safely when there was an accident protected by a guardian angel perhaps. Meanwhile 1000's have crossed the streets safely under the same conditions and what about the person who may have been hit and injured?  Where was his/her guardian angel?  Lots of questions so I don't take it all too seriously. It is interesting tho.

 

 

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Quote from crystallinks (above ) for those who don't have time to read long links:

Synchronicities are people, places or events that your soul attracts into your life to help you evolve to higher consciousness or to place emphasis on something going on in your life. The more 'consciously aware' you become of how your soul manifests, the higher your frequency becomes and the faster you manifest positively. Each day your life encounters meaningful coincidences, synchronicities, that you have attracted, on other words created in the grid of your experiences in the physical. Souls create synchronicities, played out in the physical. It is why you are here. It is how our reality works.

 

We have all heard the expression, "There are no accidents." This is true. All that we experience is by design, and what we attract to our physical world. There are no accidents just synchronicity wheels, the wheels of time or karma, wheels within wheels, sacred geometry, the evolution of consciousness in the alchemy of time.

 

Not all synchronicities are positive. Do be careful. Sometimes they create major learning lessons. An example that many people experience is meeting or manifesting a lover by synchronicity, only to discover the person is wrong for them. Initially they think that the synchronistic experience, or person, represents the road they should take at that moment in time. This is not always the case. You can manifest negative people and situation, so take your time when you get caught up in synchronicity.

 

If you are dysfunctional, have emotional problems, and therefore are a drama person, your will attract and manifest dysfunctional people and events as reflections of your own inner turmoil. You need to realize what is going on within to manifest, attract to you, something positive outside of yourself. These people will always disappoint you, counteracted by your need to have the experience. Look at the underlying facts when the synchronicity occurs to be sure you know why you attracted that person or situation into your life.

 

Synchronicities may occur to make a quick point. Don't blow them out of proportion. You must look at the bigger picture of the synchronicity, think outside the box, (the patterns of reality) not at the actual experience.

 

You can consider an event synchronistic when an inner experience such as a dream, vision, or other form of deja vu, prepares you for the physical event.

 

Your soul is always multitasking to create new experiences for you. If you watch how you move through life, you will understand. Doing this allows many people to clear their issues by writing their story as a catharsis of their experiences here.

 

The higher and clearer your frequency and intent, the faster you manifest synchronicities.

 

 

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Atheisto wrote:

Hi Jubilee....can you show us one of these angels you're so sure of?  Until you do you won't mind if I lump you in with the poor man that thinks he's Napoleon in the psychiatric ward will you?  He's as sure he's Napoleon as you're as sure there are angels.

 

Angels show up when God wants them to. I have no control over when one appears.

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