Obama. Please put the Pope in jail.
Obama. Please arrest my Pope. It speaks to Duty and law enforcement.
Religionists of all stripes should demand action against known criminals regardless of religious affiliations.
No one should be above the law.
Is it our duty as people of faith, belief, spirituality of some description to, demand law enforcement.
Is it our duty to demand that the law of the land be upheld?
Should President Obama be encouraged to bring my Pope to secular justice?
Regards
DL
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blackbelt
I think a better question
Posted on: 07/27/2010 12:11
I think a better question is
should the Internet forum gods put GIA in jail
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Witch
Gia...... dear misguided,
Posted on: 07/27/2010 12:58
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
Furthermore, what evidence do you have that the Pope, himself, actually committed any crime that would be actionable, even if He were in the US?
Furthermore, at what point is it necessary to understand that Obama is the POTUS, not a county sherriff. The POTUS does not arrest people.
lastpointe
Witch wrote: . The POTUS does
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:16
. The POTUS does not arrest people.
Exactly. And I just love the accronyms they use . POTUS, doesn't that sound like some exotic bird or something.
And all the little code names they have ( well they have them on TV for the secret service to refer to the president and family.) I sure hope they really do use cute little names
Rev. Steven Davis
Witch wrote: Gia...... dear
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:16
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
I understand there's some debate in the international legal community as to whether the Vatican actually is a sovereign state. I always thought it was, but I have come across that debate.
InannaWhimsey
lastpointe wrote: Witch
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:23
. The POTUS does not arrest people.
Exactly. And I just love the accronyms they use . POTUS, doesn't that sound like some exotic bird or something.
And all the little code names they have ( well they have them on TV for the secret service to refer to the president and family.) I sure hope they really do use cute little names
POTUS is the kind of thing that I would expect in these comics
blackbelt
Witch wrote: Gia...... dear
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:28
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
thats simple for the US, make up some story , like we must stop the Priests of Mass Destruction, then sell it to the Americian people through the media, (CNN works best), then Creat some form of chaos in the nation to strengthen the US goverments view and BINGO! you have the making of more security, and a good excuse to go cap the popes ass with the blessing of you nation.
PS: while the US is in the Vatican restoring order, might as well set up some capitalists Companies , after all it only business.
joejack2
This unwarranted attack on a
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:32
This unwarranted attack on a world leader and religious leader has no place on WC. I've reported it to Admin and refuse to enter into discussion or debate with this dude. If they don't cancel this thread or GIA himself, then there' s no justice on WC and everything seems to be arbritary. He's been banned from other forums, and this one is over the top.
Witch
Rev. Steven Davis wrote: I
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:38
I understand there's some debate in the international legal community as to whether the Vatican actually is a sovereign state. I always thought it was, but I have come across that debate.
This is very true. Not all states recognize the Vatican as a sovereign state, while others do.
The problem is that there is no universally recognized definition as to what constitutes a state. Basically it boils down to if you can get the biggest players on the international block to recognise you, then you're a state.
InannaWhimsey
joejack2 wrote: This
Posted on: 07/27/2010 13:44
This unwarranted attack on a world leader and religious leader has no place on WC. I've reported it to Admin and refuse to enter into discussion or debate with this dude. If they don't cancel this thread or GIA himself, then there' s no justice on WC and everything seems to be arbritary. He's been banned from other forums, and this one is over the top.
Your sense of being offended does not give you any rights at all. You should know this, you seem to go out of your way to offend others :3
All you can do is:
o ignore GIA;
o shame GIA;
o engage in some kind of campaign to get his writing 'banned', with variations of trying to convince Admin that your viewpoint is the best;
o 'participate' with GIA.
The 'attack' is in your mind. Are you really that important? Do we all really have to follow your viewpoint? Do we really all have to agree with your sense of offense, of blasphemy, of disgust?
All of these are rhetoricals.
joejack2
InannaWhimsey wrote: . Are
Posted on: 07/27/2010 15:05
. Are you really that important? Do we all really have to follow your viewpoint? Do we really all have to agree with your sense of offense, of blasphemy, of disgust?
Hey, Whims....
1) Yes I am. 2) Yes you do. 3) Yes, you do. I am the ULTIMATE I Am. Just accept it.
Azdgari
While he's at it, Obama
Posted on: 07/27/2010 15:35
While he's at it, Obama should go and arrest some Hell's Angels gangsters. Because that's what he does, right? Arrest people?
Question is, does he bring the Secret Service with him, or does he just do it himself?
blackbelt
Azdgari wrote: Question is,
Posted on: 07/27/2010 15:43
Question is, does he bring the Secret Service with him, or does he just do it himself?
dont kid yourself, Obama is a ,,,,
fast talking, gun slinging, pistol whipping, tobacco chewing, spittoon spitting , rutting tutting cowboy
i wouldn't mess with him
chansen
The memo from Ratzinger from
Posted on: 07/27/2010 16:39
The memo from Ratzinger from his time heading the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith should be ample reason to see him arrested and tried for crimes against humanity. The remaining question is whether or not Ratzinger enjoys diplomatic immunity as the leader of a state. The UN, for example, does not recognize the Vatican as a state. This has to worry Ratzinger and the Vatican. The planned UK visit this fall is widely expected to be cancelled for fear of both the public response to Ratzinger and the possibility of an arrest being made.
Even if no arrest takes place, a lot of the damage from this has been done: The Vatican has completely lost any moral authority it once pretended to have, and Ratzinger himself may live out his days holed up in Italy and whatever countries will still tolerate him. His legacy will be presiding over the enabling and coverup of the largest number of child rapes in history.
Azdgari
At London's Gay Pride parade
Posted on: 07/27/2010 16:45
At London's Gay Pride parade last Sunday, some of the protesters were Roman Catholics. One of them, when I asked him what he thought of the homosexual child molestation within his church, responded that he considered a priest diddling a little boy exactly as wrong as consensual gay sex, since both are sins.
The Pope still has moral authority with degenerates like that guy.
chansen
Yeah, moral authority over
Posted on: 07/27/2010 16:58
Yeah, moral authority over the immoral who believe an act between consenting adults is equivalent to ruining a childhood. You can find people who believe all sorts of crazy stuff, who still think the above is wrong.
Even Warren Jeffs still has a following, and one could argue that Ratzinger has helped cause more childhood misery than a thousand Warren Jeffs.
InannaWhimsey
Civilization is the ongoing
Posted on: 07/27/2010 17:26
Civilization is the ongoing progress of there being less and less places for people to hide their responsibility for their actions. And the mad, the criminal, those who game the system will perhaps always be with us and we will have mechanisms to deal with them.
"I've spent a lot of time thinking about and exploring spiritual experience in our contemplative traditions, mostly in an Eastern context, in Buddhism and Hinduism, but I've also read much of the contemplative literature of Christianity and Judaism and Islam. So I've been interested in religion for at least 20 years and interested in spiritual experience and have spent a lot of time practicing meditation and studying with various meditation masters in India and Nepal and spending months and weeks on retreat just practicing meditation very much the way a monastic would in the Buddhist tradition. The concerns of religious people, the ethical and the spiritual concerns of religious people are something that I think I understand and I take very seriously . I take very seriously the possibility of experiencing the world the way Buddha and Jesus and other famous patriarchs and matriarchs seem to have experienced the world and I think we want to actualize that kind of experience. If it is possible to love your neighbour as yourself I'm interested in learning how to do that. I just don't think we have to believe in anything on insufficient evidence in order to believe that."
--Sam Harris
We're still in the Crazy Years...but I think we'll get through it.
Alex
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 07/27/2010 21:05
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
I understand there's some debate in the international legal community as to whether the Vatican actually is a sovereign state. I always thought it was, but I have come across that debate.
Earlier this month, the US Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal of a US Federal Court decision that removed the Vatican status as an sovereign state with the rights of diplomatic immunity. The issue came up because a US citizen is suing the Vatican for enabling a Priest to rape him, as a boy. After the Priest was caught,an admitted to raping many children, the Vatican just moved him from Ireland to the US, where he continued to rape many children, including the plantif. The US government still says the Vatican is a sovereign state, and they intervened at the federal court to support their position, however a year later they decided not to intervined when the appeal was presented to the US Supreme Court.
The US only accepted the Vatican as a sovereign state when Ronald Regan was President, since he saw Pope JP2 as an ally against communism. However since the Vatican is in reality a government of a church/religion, it goes against the US constitution's seperation of church and state rule, to give it the status of a state. That is what the federal court in the US decided among other things when it removed it's and the Pope's diplomatic immunity.
The US only accepted the Vatican as a sovereign state when Ronald Regan was President, since he saw Pope JP2 as an ally against communism. However since the Vatican is in reality a government of a church/religion, it goes against the US constitution's seperation of church and state rule, to give it the status of a state. That is what the federal court in the US decided among other things when it removed it's and the Pope's diplomatic immunity.
Instead of demanding that the US arrest the Pope, we should be looking at those involved in the coverup in Canada. We should also ask why Canada recognised the Vatican as a state. Which gives it a higher status in Canadian law than the UCC or other churches and religions. I believe it was only in the 60's when Canada recognised the Vatican as a state.
I think that Trudeau did it to appease the right wing when he recognised the "Godless" government of mainland China as being the government of China, instead of the one in Taiwan.
Happy Genius
Witch wrote: Gia...... dear
Posted on: 07/27/2010 19:06
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
Naaa. As previously, he's just pullin' our chain.
And getting the reaction he wants.
.[quote=Witch]
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
[\quote]
Introducing cognitive material into this thread is a futile attempt at reasonable discourse...
GIA will get a gazillion posts....which will give him material to decry 'fundys', literalists...
just part of a weird hobby, not an attempt at civilized conversation....
Cheers!
joejack2
Hi-yo, Obama, away! There's
Posted on: 07/27/2010 19:10
Hi-yo, Obama, away! There's a new sheriff in town who can arrest foreigners for whatever, whenever, right, GIA? LOL
Tyson
Happy
Posted on: 07/27/2010 20:32
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
Naaa. As previously, he's just pullin' our chain.
And getting the reaction he wants.
.
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
[\quote]
Introducing cognitive material into this thread is a futile attempt at reasonable discourse...
GIA will get a gazillion posts....which will give him material to decry 'fundys', literalists...
just part of a weird hobby, not an attempt at civilized conversation....
Cheers!
Well, with the number of sites GIA posted the exact same post on, he is pulling something, but it ain't our chains.
Azdgari
Yeah, those "fundy
Posted on: 07/27/2010 21:38
Yeah, those "fundy literalist" atheists think he's full of crap, too...
blackbelt
i dont know but GIA is
Posted on: 07/27/2010 21:53
i dont know but GIA is looking kinda green latley
you ok GIA
joejack2
....and while he's at it,
Posted on: 07/30/2010 13:44
....and while he's at it, maybe Obama can arrest the entire Canadian olympic hockey team before the next olympics so we don't whup the US team again (Both women's and men's teams). And, when he gets around to it, he can arrest our curling teams for the same reason. I'm glad GIA started this thread. I really needed a good laugh at something totally ridiculous this week. Maybe the all-powerful Obama can arrest God for all the alleged crimes GIA accuses Him of (now THAT'S a set of handcuffs!). And, maybe Obama will just tell GIA to get a life and quit serving spam. It doesn't even make a good luncheon meat. Jim Carrey starred in a movie called Bruce Almighty. Perhaps we could write a comedy movie called Greatest I Am Almighty. I think we have enough material.......
joejack2
blackbelt wrote: i dont know
Posted on: 07/31/2010 13:41
i dont know but GIA is looking kinda green latley
you ok GIA
I don't know but GIA is looking kinda ABSENT lately. Hmmmmm. He already got kicked off the Randi site, so maybe he's looking for new spam targets.
Hello, GIA tap tap tap (tapping on computer screen) Haaa Haaa (blowing frosty breath on computer screen.) Where art thou?
Greatest I am
chansen wrote: The memo from
Posted on: 08/08/2010 13:12
The memo from Ratzinger from his time heading the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith should be ample reason to see him arrested and tried for crimes against humanity. The remaining question is whether or not Ratzinger enjoys diplomatic immunity as the leader of a state. The UN, for example, does not recognize the Vatican as a state. This has to worry Ratzinger and the Vatican. The planned UK visit this fall is widely expected to be cancelled for fear of both the public response to Ratzinger and the possibility of an arrest being made.
Even if no arrest takes place, a lot of the damage from this has been done: The Vatican has completely lost any moral authority it once pretended to have, and Ratzinger himself may live out his days holed up in Italy and whatever countries will still tolerate him. His legacy will be presiding over the enabling and coverup of the largest number of child rapes in history.
Exactly.
If I may add here for those who see Obama as impotent or unable to arrest a head of state.
One name. Sadam Husein.
I also note that no one has said much about our children still being abused daily.
Tisk tisk. A shame that we leave it to the Brits to do what we should be seen as doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlxMwowhkhc&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ccbVCxWNn8&feature=player_embedded
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8614232.stm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/bringing-the-vatican-to-j_b_571088.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2248557
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Alex wrote: Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 08/08/2010 13:20
Gia...... dear misguided, deluded Gia......
How, exactly do you propose that the US arrest the Pope, who is not a US citizen, nor a US resident, and is, in fact, the leader of a sovereign state?
I understand there's some debate in the international legal community as to whether the Vatican actually is a sovereign state. I always thought it was, but I have come across that debate.
Earlier this month, the US Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal of a US Federal Court decision that removed the Vatican status as an sovereign state with the rights of diplomatic immunity. The issue came up because a US citizen is suing the Vatican for enabling a Priest to rape him, as a boy. After the Priest was caught,an admitted to raping many children, the Vatican just moved him from Ireland to the US, where he continued to rape many children, including the plantif. The US government still says the Vatican is a sovereign state, and they intervened at the federal court to support their position, however a year later they decided not to intervined when the appeal was presented to the US Supreme Court.
The US only accepted the Vatican as a sovereign state when Ronald Regan was President, since he saw Pope JP2 as an ally against communism. However since the Vatican is in reality a government of a church/religion, it goes against the US constitution's seperation of church and state rule, to give it the status of a state. That is what the federal court in the US decided among other things when it removed it's and the Pope's diplomatic immunity.
Instead of demanding that the US arrest the Pope, we should be looking at those involved in the coverup in Canada. We should also ask why Canada recognised the Vatican as a state. Which gives it a higher status in Canadian law than the UCC or other churches and religions. I believe it was only in the 60's when Canada recognised the Vatican as a state.
I think that Trudeau did it to appease the right wing when he recognised the "Godless" government of mainland China as being the government of China, instead of the one in Taiwan.
Wow. Nice work.
Regards
DL
joejack2
Well, GIA, here's your big
Posted on: 08/08/2010 16:00
Well, GIA, here's your big chance for fame. Go to the Vatican, and put the pope under citizen's arrest. Or, wait until he comes to North America, and tell him he's under citizens arrest and turn him over to the proper authorities. What? You won't do it? Put your action where your mouth, er, keyboard is. Put up or shut up. It's that simple. Do it yourself instead of boo-hooing your life to the rest of us.