crazyheart
Ongoing Study -Women of the bible - The women at the cross and the tomb.
Posted on: 04/08/2009 12:36
There is an account in each of the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
Elizabeth Moltmann-Wendel and Jurgan Moltman write in "Becoming Human in the New Community": Church history begins when a few women set out to pay their last respects to their dead friend Jesus It begins when, contrary ro all reason and hope, a few women identify themselves with a national traiter, and do what they consider to be right....., namely never abandoning him as dead.Church history begins when Jesus comes to them, greets them, lets them touch him just as he touched and restored them in their lives. Church history begins when the women are told to share with the men this experience, this life they now comprehend, this life their hands have touvhed...........officially, church history begins with the mission of the men apostles, and officially, no women were present on that occasion."
At the cross - Jesus'mother Mary, Mary's sister Mary the wife of Clopas, Mary Magdeline, Salome, Mary, wother of James the younger and Josess and the women who had come with him from Gallilee.
At the tomb, Mary Magdeline, Joanna, Mary the mother of James , Salome,and other women who were with them.
Did I miss any that are named in the Gospels?
Feel free to talk about any of these happenings or these women as we begin our journey through Holy Week
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crazyheart
bump up
Posted on: 04/08/2009 15:53
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crazyheart
In sermons we sometimes hear
Posted on: 04/08/2009 22:47
In sermons we sometimes hear " At the end, Jesus was betrayed by one of his own, denied by another, and abandoned by all of the rest". This description is not the whole truth. The women, the faithful followers, did not abandon, betray or deny or reject Jesus.
crazyheart
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Posted on: 04/14/2009 10:22
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seeler
I guess the faithful women
Posted on: 04/14/2009 15:02
I guess the faithful women just didn't count as persons. We didn't either until the last century.
But they were there - a faithful group - perhaps even larger than those remembered and named. They stayed in the background, ignored as unimportant, but there witness Jesus' last hours, there to care for his body, and there to be the first witnesses to the resurrection.
Of course they were frightened. Of course they didn't expect to be believed when they reported the miracle. And the disciples had to run to the tomb to see for themselves.
One would have thought that the early church would have elevated these women to the highest level.
JRT
We speak of "the faith of our
Posted on: 04/14/2009 17:00
We speak of "the faith of our fathers' but the mothers are almost totally ignored.
LumbyLad
What is this about hogging
Posted on: 04/16/2009 02:26
What is this about hogging the discussion topics, eh? My apologies to JRT in reference to hogs. I grew up on a pig farm so your picture warms my heart.
Having said this, in reference to your subsequent "hogs", it is very significant that women are featured, particularly around Jesus' death. Unfortunately they were likely inserted in the writings later by some creative woman who decided the Bible needed some additives. Mary Magnaline appears to be true, but Jesus was quite alienated from his family, including his mother and sisters because of his theology. On the other hand, IF all of this is true, I chalk it down to intuition. Women tend to be more intuitive than men and also stronger when it comes to handling emotional situations. They would be there to prevent us seeing all the men cowards and creeps who let Jesus down. Women were considered as "nothing special" in Jesus time, although Jesus tried to change this. So having them there was less distracting. You couldn't have an apostle weeping at the cross! Gosh no. Even though Jesus tried to model the male/female mix, they just didn't get it. At least these are my initial thoughts.
Beloved
Greetings! In the gospel of
Posted on: 04/16/2009 15:15
Greetings!
In the gospel of Luke it says that Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them told this ("He is not here, he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee") to the apostles. But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. Except for Peter, who ran to the tomb. It is interesting that even after Jesus had told the apostles about what was going to happen that they did not believe the women when they came to tell them that Jesus was not in the tomb.
In the accounts of the gospels, of Jesus' teaching, preaching, and healing, those present and learning are for the most part men (yes there are instances when women are mentioned and named). As a woman, it gives me encouragement and hope that in this part of the story women are not ignored, but actually play a prominent part.
Hope, peace, joy, love . . .
seeler
/strange that I always
Posted on: 04/16/2009 16:23
/strange that I always thought that maybe stories featuring women, or women in general, were either removed or left out when the scriptures were put in their final form. I believe this is the first time I have ever heard that perhaps the women were added to a story at a later date.
As for Jesus being alienated from his mother and his family - it is quite possible. A story from early in his ministry has them trying to get him to come home with them, and him denying them. But I would think that even if they were somewhat alienated, when a mother heard or sensed that her son was in trouble and perhaps might die, she would be there.
I knew a mother of an alcoholic who had hit rock bottom and was panhandling on the streets of one of Canada's cities. She was always eager for news of him. She would ask his brothers: 'Have you seen Buddy lately?' 'How did he look?' 'Does he have a warm coat?' I'm sure that if she heard that he had been arrested and was on trial she would be interested, concerned, anxious to do whatever she could to help him.