The "new age" movement renews itself from age to age. 2400 yrs ago the Pharisees were new age and then 400 yrs later it was the Christians and then just 500 yrs ago it was Protestantism.

I think Oprah Winfrey is a fine Christian woman (United Church of Christ, at one time she and Pres. Obama attended the same church) who should be lauded for her charity and kind spirit.

If there is any truth to be found in A Course in Miracles and Eckhart Tolle, then I believe a Christian or anyone else can benefit from reading them.

Personally, however, I do not know why I would want to read them. I believe there is much more truth to be found in good Christian books, and (most especially) The Holy Bible. If I'm going to be using my time to read anything, I would prefer it be something of the latter.

As for Oprah, I believe her to be an intelligent opportunist. She has parlayed what talent she has into a media empire. She is the American success story. I must admit, however, that I fear for her soul. She has said that she is a Christian, but her beliefs do not match up to what I believe they should be for her to make such a claim. I believe she has fallen away from church into great apostasy such as saying that there are many paths to God.

I have read Tolle's book, and went to hear him speak in person.  I do consider myself Christian.  I didn't interpret any anti-Christian bent to his info.   I understand that others do not share this view - to each his own.  

Blackbelt, I think you've posted that anti-Oprah video before, BTW.

(@ thedaver - I love the iris photo in your avatar! Did you take the pic?)

ISTM that people who get all that worked up about these supposed threats appear really insecure.  Insecure in your faith?  You become more afraid of someone who puts forward an alternative.  Secure in your faith?  You are more willing to meet and accept people for who they are.

Of course that assumes a level of maturity of acknowleging that not everyone agrees with your POV and that this is ok.

thedaver

quote by Arminius:

"I think one can be Christian and benefit from reading Eckhart Tolle and "A Course in Miracles."

To demonize Oprah by calling her a "New Age witch" and "the most dangerous woman in the world" is, I think, unjustified, uncharitable, un-Christain, and outright mean-spirited. And I'm no Oprah fan!"

quote by carolla:

"I have read Tolle's book, and went to hear him speak in person.  I do consider myself Christian.  I didn't interpret any anti-Christian bent to his info.   I understand that others do not share this view - to each his own. "

I agree with these two views.

bb,

when people see the existence of another POV as a threat to their own vision of the Truth I see fear and insecurity.  Or, I could say I see immaturity.  Whichever.  I don't see a mature secure sense of self.

You may see something else.

So are you saying, brother blackbelt, that there is no truth to be found in Tolle and Course in Miracles? That there is nothing to be learned? Nothing to be gained? If there is any truth at all, isn't all truth God's truth. Can't we learn from those who see things differently than us while discarding that which they teach but we do not value.

truth mixed with error, a course in miracles and tolle, denies Jesus Christ and teach a new Jesus, that Truth is not Jesus's Truth making it , false, further more a course in Miracles is a challenged Book by spirits, I read the book 7 ysr ago,

Now what does Jesus say about Listening to other spirits? what does the bible say about spiritisim? what does the bible say about testing the spirits? what does Jesus say about a spirit denying that Jesus died for us and Rose?

It says that , that spirit is not of God and from the anti-christ.

one thing I have learned over the yrs of studying the occult , channeled books and the demonic is that the deception is very suttle because its mixed with truth, it uses distorted biblical passages to make it sound truthfull, but most of all, one thing that ALL channeled books have in common is , is that they all deny Jesus Christ, but NON discluse it to you till well in the end.

make no mistake about it, A Course in Miracles , Tolle, the Urantia book and so many others like the teachings of seth, Abraham writings and so on are ALL inspirited by demonic personalities, who know very well the power of the True Risen Lord, that is why that slowly quitelly take you on to another parth.

You know, the church has often been an agent of social control. I do not believe that was Jesus' intent for his followers. At any rate, when someone challenges that norm, and the control aspect of the church, they often get accused of being a witch or similar. I suspect something like this is at work with the criticism of Oprah. I agree with Gord too.......this speaks to me of a shaky faith and of fear.

That is a comment that suggests immaturity to me. "Daddy"?

I believe we can learn from those who see things differently from us. Very wise words Jae.

daddy, pops, dad, my father, its who he is and im happy :)

or do u prefer mom

And you're a Christian.  Right, blackbelt?

I'm just teasin' ya.  You were making a negative blanket statements about Christians...while being a Christian.  Well, I found it funny, anyway.

But you *do* consider yourself a Christian, don't you, blackbelt?  I mean, you said you don't in that post, but I'm chalking that up to miscommunication.

Right on. Thanks! 

And sometimes you are a little saddening. 

Not you - you may, and I hope you will,  lead a good, happy prosperous life.

Saddening in that your views/opinions/beliefs/ are shared by many. Emotional rule which dooms us all into anti-science third-worldism.

(Aside: Water-Buoy - 'Emotional rule' , isn't that what you drone on about?)

Let not "The world too wide for his shrunk shank" - be a description of you.

yes yes, a new Christianity for a new world, a new Jesus for a new humanity,

how sad

thedaver,

welcome to some measure of Paradise :3

It is simple Tribalism.

Even if a believer's Creator was visible every day giving them directions and instructions, they would still be responsible for having those thoughts and for the actions that arise from them.

So much searching for the perfect way of going through the world where the believer doesn't have to think at all.  At all.  Because the Words of Instruction come completely from outside them.

Therein lies the danger.  As the Hebrew Bible so beautifully shows.

Yes!

All good gifts come from God above. Having received them, it is up to decide how we use them. Oprah can use the power, influence, and talent she has for the advancement of great good. Let's all strive together to use our gifts in the same light. Peace in Christ.