RevLGKing
When Was Monotheism Born? In Others, Did God Have a Birthday?
Posted on: 01/23/2012 17:23
Based on the book, THE HISTORY OF GOD, by Karen Armstrong
A FORMER, BORN-AGAIN PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIAN--NOW (2011) AN INTELLIGENT YOUNG ADULT, TELLS HOW HE BECAME AN ATHEIST
Uploaded by Evid3nc3 on Jan 7, 2011
I explain how I learned from A History of God by Karen Armstrong that the evidence indicates that the Jewish concept of monotheism evolved from the syncretism of various polytheistic sources like Canaanite and Babylonian polytheism.
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chansen
Interesting. I might have to
Posted on: 01/23/2012 18:02
Interesting. I might have to read Karen Armstrong's book.
MikePaterson
More than montheism seems to
Posted on: 01/23/2012 18:57
More than montheism seems to have come into Judaism and Christinity from Zoroaster. His ancient wisdom fascinates and impresses me hugely. And the Vedas are stunning.
Arminius
Everything has been thought
Posted on: 01/23/2012 19:25
Everything has been thought of before. The trouble is only to think of it again.
-Albert Einstein
GOD'S BIRTHDAY
God's birthdate is the zero moment of time.
When is its birthday, then?
I would say every moment is its birthday.
Happy permanent birthday, God!
WaterBuoy
Isn't that a devilish
Posted on: 01/24/2012 13:52
Isn't that a devilish convoluted conception ... like thought in a timeless Zoan? The human gonad in the largest adrenal form ... the wee brae'in ... but a pit to store thoughts out of the reach of the superficial! Sort of a mythical holy place like Plateaux void ... subliminal to the mire ... a'sole ... with, or without is the question asked: "did you learn anything but hate my child?" Perhaps not enough digging, arche typical for the lazy side of de sole thing ... Type 2 persona! Don't help unless asked ... in the deire way of emotions ... what the Gaels called el dite! It's like a saying or anacronism ... perhaps not the way you think it appeared ...
Much para phrasing required in emotionally fixed words of institution ... generally poorly understood without multiple thinking pat-hes ... wee chi-ites ... ID happens ...
Then we have Saint Nick with the concept of a God's heart centered everywhere and the soul part ... well infinite!
Now there's a stretch of the Roman 4C's ... weakening them with outside thoughts ... to the point of collapse under another regime of thought that was desired ... opposing the Roman desire to have people think their way was best ... purely Love without a clew!
The latter being deep ... profound and darkly latent ... like a nice place to fish for a bi Gun, or is that big-Une ... bi Goan miracle in continuum as deep 6D blast ... sectant thing-heh ... neigh phesh? Or as the Hebrew expressed in condensed form or hommoe ... nephesh, or knife-ish as the cleanest cut to get at the guttes of the id-OEm ... one must backtrack a great distance ...
Some things appear reciprocal ... as eccos coming back at Yah backward as is ... in verse ... so those that didn't wish to ... wodn't Gnoe ... then who din was that God of Ephraim of pyre in the beginning and infinite logi called tre' ... in sum trés veritable stretch .. of de Shadow as spoken of when Judean powers were co Erse'd under the bo'esh ... by the continuum as played by tamiyr waters with a sap attached. Then you'd not know where that came from without excellent knowledge of the afore Goan myths ... them beyond the limited state and little hope of gett'hout ... houda being "yah" that one out there ... goest figure ... imagine an imageof the soul of God without a bridge cross in a large void ... the imperial Zea?
Choqan and dark ...
RevLGKing
Arminius wrote: Everything
Posted on: 01/24/2012 18:47
Everything has been thought of before. The trouble is only to think of it again.
-Albert Einstein
GOD'S BIRTHDAY
God's birthdate is the zero moment of time.
When is its birthday, then?
I would say every moment is its birthday.
Happy permanent birthday, God!
Progress report regarding the Atheist/Agnotic forum: There are now several thread in which there is a far share of dialogging--no a lot of personal attacks--going on. Here is an example, the thread is called:
Convincing theists atheists are okay
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=49&nav=messages&webtag=ab-a...
Lynne, a former Roman Catholic and now a bridge-building atheist, and I are working to encourage people to share ideas, not just bash each other with Bibles, or other "sacred" LIT. I seems to be working. Read the last couple of pages.
WaterBuoy
Bridge-builders ... far from
Posted on: 01/24/2012 20:01
Bridge-builders ... far from a person that burns bridges. That was powerful Rev. King!
Heated Gnomes under the bridge ... lower rungs of social order? One should be concerned about how low things are oppressed in a realm where freedom is tooted without reverence to what the other thinks or what irreverent expression does to the other!
Consider the role models. The story is better ... especially the Spook in Wizard of Oz ... heh could be St. Eve Anne in God's variable tongue ... difficult to unravel without understanding of severe chaos of emotions needing calming ... dippidy Ðue ... a holy whetting ... in rapture as a future psi 'n?
Of course I'm deeper into myth o'logical stuff ... like soul that most people wouldn't touch with a rod, stick or other lengthy Id'OEm ... not even a question of testing the waters ...
Elanorgold
Thanks so much for that
Posted on: 01/24/2012 23:21
Thanks so much for that RevKing. Excellent clip. Sent it on to two loved ones.
See? You are all PAGANS!! I really don't get how anyone can believe in god. Yes god has a birthday. The clip lays it out very clearly (though he does pronounce Asherah and Baal wrong). (Ash-ur-ah, and Bahl) Cute images they choose for the gods too.
I really, really feel strongly about this. I'm sorry, I must be more vocal. Humanity designs religion to their own needs. God is no more real than any imaginary thing. If you believe something, you must check the background and understand what you are signing yourself up to.
Please watch this clip. Understand where god comes from. Understand your religion.
Chansen, the subject is intensely interesting and rewarding. I highly recomend the study of ancient Sumerian/Assyrian/Babylonian/Zoroastrian religion.
RevLGKing
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx
Posted on: 01/26/2012 00:13
2....nobody is watching when sickos kill kids
3...there will be no vengeance or justice beyond humanity's own...
4....There is nobody out there taking care of us.
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5....If someone has those existential comforts, evil to me would be to steal those comforts away.
6....Sometimes I can't help but to feel deep despair and sadness over the human condition...
7....how could I ever wish this on someone else?
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Cris, regarding points 1 to 4:
I am sure you will agree that what you said, in your first four comments above, was probably on the mind of the first sincere skeptic--one of the first of us who evolved out of the primordial ooze as a self-aware human being.
When was that? Perhaps a million or more years ago.
Let me tell you about one of my encounters. Maybe he was one of the ancestors of the late Gordon Sinclair, senior--a famous Canadian I once knew.--------
The story goes that Gordon Sinclair was born in the Cabbagetown, then a poor neighbourhood of Toronto, Ontario. In 1916. Before finishing his first year of high school, Sinclair--always one who enjoyed the smell of money and wanted to be near it :
His lack of real love for the job got him fired. This happened more than once. But in 1922, Sinclair applied for a reporting job at all four Toronto newspapers. The only offer he received was from the Toronto Star Learning the ropes of writing was a struggle. He found his career as a writer.
His breakthrough was a series of articles written after living among a group of homeless people, which Sinclair called "Toronto's hobo club". And there are still plenty of the same in all our major cities.
It was later reported that GS became one of the paper's star reporters. He spent most of the next decade travelling the world, filing reports from exotic locations. During an Asian tour in 1932, Sinclair spent four months in India and, after returning home, wrote his first book, Foot-loose In India. It was published in October 1932 and became a best-seller in Canada, with the first edition selling out on the first day of release.
During his 62-year career in the media, Gordon Sinclair became known for both his curmudgeonly manner and his outspoken views.
HE WAS A BORN SKEPTIC
He had a strong opinion on things like water fluoridation. He called it "rat poison" in 1958. He was against singing, God Save the Queen--what was then accepted as Canada's national anthem. He also attacked Medicare and taxes needed to pay for it.
NEXT CAME GOD
Although he had taught a Bible Class at a Methodist church--which, IN 1925, became part of the United Church of Canada--he was also a forceful critic of all religionS and churches. When I was 39, in 1969, and a young minister in North Toronto--I read him say things like : "I had 31 years of being a Christian, and it was enough. God is a fraud!"
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Following his death at 83, May 17, 1984, one critic said, he was brash, ornery, uncompromising, and occasionally uncouth - yet this did not stop him from becoming one of Canada's best-known celebrities. Loud in both dress and personality, Gordon Sinclair first rose to fame in the 1930s as a globetrotting journalist for The Toronto Daily Star.
GORDON LOVED GORDON
It was said that he was, "A relentless self-promoter ... who transformed his singular style into a lucrative career ... some 50 books,... a plum spot on the longest running show in the history of CBC Television. Equal parts loved and loathed, many of Sinclair's most outrageous comments continue to live on more than two decades after his death on May 17, 1984.
Stints as a popular radio host and a panelist ... extended his celebrity into the 1980s. When he died, by fellow journalists, he was eulogized and criticized as their feisty friend.
MY ENCOUNTERS WITH GORDON
Without using the words "I believe..." I will simply tell you what I said to the late Mr. Gordon Sinclair when I met him on the TV panel show called, Answering Service, with others. One other was the then famous actor, Michael Landon--Little House on the Prairies . He also played "Little Joe" he played the role of one of the sons of Pa Cartwright (Lorne Green, from Toronto) in the TV series, PONDEROSA. All of us were there to answer questions posed by members from the live and TV audiences.
I was expected to field questions about religion and the Bible.
IS LIFE A PLAY WITH ONE PERFORMANCE ONLY?
One of the first questions put to me had to do with what people believed about life beyond the grave. It came from one of Gordon Sinclair's fans who knew, as did I, that by what he said and wrote he was--depending on his mood at the time-- a skeptic, an agnostic, even a cynical atheist. By times he was even a combination of all three.
It was already on the record how shocked he said he was by the death-dealing poverty he saw all around him as he traveled, especially during the Depression of the dirty thirties. He was especially shocked by the death of so many children.
Then to top it all--and keep in mind that this was before life-saving antibiotics--a serious infection took the life of his only and beloved daughter. She was only eleven. His heart was
When I shared with him my own story--and there are many who have similar stories--that, by the time I was five, I lost five close members of my family, including my mother.
Here is basically what I said: "Gordon, you, and all who agree with you, have every right to your doubts and critical beliefs. And I do not feel that sincere skeptics are automatically condemned to a hell--about which I have nothing but doubt.
PESSIMISTS' VIEW OF LIFE
"But let me put it this way: If you and your fellow skeptics--and I will add pessimists--are right: Death is the final curtain for all of us. There will neither be any future performances nor later revivals of the drama of life.
It this is true, this means that you will never have the fun of telling us optimists how wrong we were. Agreed?" Gordon smiled and was forced to agree. A chuckle went through the audience.
"But, think of it this way. And, to give the idea time to sink in, I allowed for a pause............Then I added: "What if optimists--and I, unashamedly, am one--are on the RIGHT PATH?
"What if life really is more than just a, "tale told by an idiot..." as Shakespeare put it. That life, empowered by love is, as the song says, "a many splendored thing..."; "Life is a hope-filled vision of possibilities to come." What if it really is true that we can choose to evolve and, that right now, we are evolving and will take on new levels of being alive?
"What if--and this is the farthest thing from my mind--optimists chose to become bitter pessimists? Think of the mean and unkind fun they could have, jeering and poking fun ........ Not even you would join in, Gordon. The audience, including Gordon, had a good laugh.
WaterBuoy
Yah gutta love it ... the
Posted on: 01/26/2012 08:20
Yah gutta love it ... the ultimate transducer creating a RIP-elle in space that disperses into a quantum field like an alien thought to the first case ... the desire to do so? Its a thin Eire to grasp for a non'believer in creative intelligence that is much bigger'n a mortal ... but then how'd those people conjure up the idea that we exist and the thin portion doesn't as a tier in time?
Is the collective sense of humanity insane? Simply look around yah for the evidence as displayed (as defined by Webster under intellect). Is that an 'ell'ish comedy of Urs (Erse, close to Hebrew, KJ thought was devilishly, multipl-allah, entendre 'd) dropped out of space? A mean tongue to know ... fulfilling that statement in Exodus 20:19?
Perhaps Dante had a handle of the human mind that wishes "not to know" devilish convolution! Do I believe in GOD? Yes for I feel this profound contraryness to the present case ... ID love to know much more than I seem to be able to recollect (stuffing of de meme?) in the presence tatum. There has to be another side to this cosmological joke that some call heaven when approximately 90% of the integral body is in gross discomfort ... learning where they are is 'elle?
Does biblical extraction from the impossible words imply a continuum of understanding? Then explain to me the expression big-odds that a temptor would be given to mankind (corruption of m'n in Hebre tongues, cool as Isis) and that god would be there wherever 2 or 3 gather'd for warmth of social activity (in an anti-socialistic world where we don't accept donkies that cause us the pain of learning?).
Is there light between these shadowy characters ... as quantum expression of neu clear reaction to cojoining and divicive forces of the divine kind? I am reminded of Daniel 3: 24-25 NIV as a flame erupting in a caldron of infinite sort. Could this be vision from inside or outside our present state that could be termed double perspective of the mean (also desised by mortal) or just purely devined without mortal thought but something beyond?
Now is a thought dropped on the page or hyperspace ... like an emote in the ether ... Eire being an Ego in one parallel and we know how mankind has come to despise awareness as we well express on WC. Passion is the only power to wipe out infinite thought; why we are here today for a rest? Consider God a soul formation, something that learns from the disaster going on below ... or in the abstract dimension of mind/psyche ... do we really know which way is up and thus prophets became devils to the monotheistic crowd. Proof look at what the brutes of Rome did to the intellectai of 2000 years ago. Would they do it again ... in a Torah world nothing changes without the imaginary realm that projects upon us ... butif one does not believe in a process of nothing (Theo logic, beginning from nothing) what dah 'elle?
Does this make sense in a real world? probably not but pwehaps it wasn't meant to for the limited kind of mortal ... dead stones that needed to be chipped at to make eM think? That creates dust and stuff to drive mortal soles ... a vastly different kind then those beyond mortal comprehension. leaves me Piscine in RIP'eLs of humour ... bloody funny if you can rise above it (or whatever) in an OB state of NDE of laughing yourself silly over the insanity of mortals. Where did this come from? A voice in the Shadow personality of man ... opposing side of the infinite case ... that's a deep well to draw from ... Epraim of a poe'L ... Canan reflection ... that's how chi goest ... light seldom seen in the raw state ... naked as sole ... to a mortal desire! Then, there's still that other's ID ... look it up ... noeh'd tuit!
RevLGKing
INTERESTING QUOTES. G-0-D
Posted on: 01/31/2012 16:57
INTERESTING QUOTES. G-0-D is:
The following are quotes taken from a variety of sources. They are offered, not as dogmas, but simply as talking points:
The source:
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/IsGodNecessary/Beyond-All-Gods.php
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"For whatever God means, God is not a substitute for, nor a competitor with, the sciences and arts of modernity.
"God is not an object among objects; nor a power among powers; nor a cause among causes; nor a medicine among medicines. But if God is none of these things, what is God? [This why I prefer the acronym, G-0-D.
"For God is that underlying unity of Being which is the permanent possibility of bridgemaking, for the Modern World as for all others, and without any sacrifice of its triumphs.
"The Modern World has only to learn that, since there are no closed sciences, there are no economic solutions on economic grounds alone, no military solutions on military grounds alone, and what is harder, no legal solutions on legal grounds alone.
"Nor are conflict and competition to be abolished; but to be held within an all-human solidarity, in which the ‘million masks of God’ find dignity, respect, reverence."
WaterBuoy
Now, Considering mortal
Posted on: 02/01/2012 09:16
Now,
Considering mortal limitations ... is that a far stretch of the imaginary portion of the soul on which we stand ... rather Eire convolution?
The story is an emotional projection ... with the limited nature of mankind ... an unlimited depth of interpretation to find the bottom of the emotional portion ... an infinite enigma of the thinking mind as it bedevils a person mortal thoughts? IT must be told over and over again in this dimension to penetrate the nuit ... a bit of a noodle stuck to the Wahl?