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unsafe
Hi Geo--- WOW WOW WOW
Posted on: 01/21/2012 08:43
Hi Geo---




WOW WOW WOW ---Great video and so TRUE my thoughts exactly ---Religion is just a bunch of hoop la --man made ---no God involved in decision making only a bunch of humans sitting on committees thinking they know better than God how to run church business..
Bible is very clear what is flesh is of the flesh and what is spirit is of the spirit --2 different sources of input --If you have non Born Again people running the church -the Bible is clear you are away from God and in the flesh which is the worlds way of thinking..
There should be only one church ---I would call it --The Church Of Jesus Christ --All welcome-bring a Bible..
Satan has one church ---it is called ---the church of Satan ----why is that ???? cause there is only one Satan just like there is only one Jesus -----
Great video thanks for that ---made my day
MorningCalm
unsafe wrote:There should be
Posted on: 01/21/2012 09:28
Of course you mean there should be only one denomination.
There only is one Church -- the Christ-body -- and it includes all Christians everywhere.
At any rate, it is an excellently-produced-and-presented video of a well-written poem.
unsafe
Hi MorningCalm ---your
Posted on: 01/21/2012 09:28
Hi MorningCalm ---your quote Of course you mean there should be only one denomination
You are so right --thanks for that .
Peace and have a great day.
sighsnootles
i love this video... it gave
Posted on: 01/21/2012 09:34
i love this video... it gave me a lot to think about and contemplate.
the part i really identified with though was when he said
'the church builds fantastic buildings, but fails to feed the poor.'
EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
AYE - MEN.
seeler
Many points I agree with but
Posted on: 01/21/2012 09:36
Many points I agree with but in my opinion the actor came across as being as arogant as the religion his is condemning.
I would have liked to see a bit of humility, a bit of following the example of Jesus, a bit more of the servant Christ, and a bit more on love and caring and relatedness.
WaterBuoy
De nomination ... the
Posted on: 01/21/2012 09:37
De nomination ... the unnaming of God?
Now there's an anonymous state ... like a dead thought! The realm of the unthunk heros a silent form of Eros ... sort of plate O'nyx ... flate out dark state in the pool? Moral state of humanity ... in the sans ... that without? Chaos of intelligence leaves us with an unwise idealism ... suggesting there must be another side to this odd phun ... a bit of holy satire? That holy being aesthete ... being in awe of something missing ... a emotion to die for ...
MikePaterson
I love "god" — as Jesus
Posted on: 01/21/2012 12:51
I love "god" — as Jesus taught.
Loving Jesus as "it" — as THE centre and pinnacle of divinity — is idolatorous. What about the other great faiths? The other great teachers? Nothing there? At all? Come on. And, from "the" Bible (which one) how close can you possibly get to knowing and understanding "Jesus"? That guy has a great-sounding take on it, clever — yes — but violently superficial and insidiously selective.
Maybe we should we love the fiction we weave out of our cultural oportunism?
Where do you go to find "Jesus? We have the Gospels… contradictory, incomplete and selectively written… we know something of the times, conditions and cultures… we can get what seems to be the consistent message: love god, love others as yourselves... but also a teaching to seek wisdom.
Why be content with a fragment of faith when there is the gospel of "god": writ large in the universe?
WaterBuoy
Christian folk getting it
Posted on: 01/21/2012 11:02
Christian folk getting it together! Is this possible in an enlightened sense of intellect that's out-there to the emotional gods of Furies ... the Fate of mortal confinement until we learn something of worth for the mortal Cos ...
Takes a lifetime to learn for an astral particle, perhaps moor ...
Then, there they are gone; like they say nothing tuit, unseen until it's abstract ... with something partly missing ... perhaps you've had that feeling? With giggle over nothing you know you hit a peak ... downhill from there ...? Mountaign ist passé ...
The church did away with that bunch near 2000 yeasr ago and then again in the 1300's the Cathar's were a wash with love to know what the Roman Empire didn't wish eM to ... the end of an extended mind or bigger thought in a mortal passionate dimension? Not a clew ... a string to draw upon to play a song of sect's pense ... aware intercoarse ... that's ruagh ... sometimes pronounciated as Ruff, or general Ruth as Love of the extended kind ... fugally expressed as cool ... bi shafor ... chaff it a bit like stew art in a Jar ... mixed blessings ... a balanced anonymous thing we call dae mons, or perhaps demined ... released from de pith's ... like the meat of a nut. This world is insane, just look out there ... the other side ... typed as imaginary, or abstract ... thinking?
What would happen if it were all placed in verse order: upside down, backward and inside out ... totally reci[rocal as eccos? Would that confine the thought from emotional critters? Seems to work ... to hide the myth ... as Torah of Crete ... hommoe of the gentile Cretian of boule? Another legge of the gam ... or is that rhetorical ...
gecko46
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Posted on: 01/21/2012 15:24
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MorningCalm
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Posted on: 01/21/2012 11:03
WaterBuoy
They say there's something
Posted on: 01/21/2012 11:22
They say there's something you never miss until its gone ... the abstract of humanity ... sort of like rapture ... a love that people fear on this side ... cause they detest the other ... contrary to the cardinal rule of doing to self and other is the same thing in projection ...
You're not allowed to speak of such things in brutal companionship ... for it is Roman Decree to commonly not-know such stuff topics ... therefore the satire ... a form of phun for the subliminal side of the incarnate soul ... so as that the real folk won't catch on ...
Perhaps the rationale of creation confining real people to earth for a minute bit of time ... anh'ellish bit of humour, many don't find bloody funny, but profoundly serious ... as they refuse to learn ... the catagorical phenomina ... its num in us ...
Mob mentality as moral truth ...
sighsnootles
mc... the guy standing
Posted on: 01/21/2012 13:19
mc...
the guy standing in front of an expensive altar talking about why religion is great??
sorry. i can say with certainty that there are homeless people on the streets, while this guy is standing there in comfort, discussing a jesus who would NEVER endorse something like that.
he attempts to give it validity by talking about the last supper, which catholics celebrate, some daily.
what he doesn't see is that YOU DON'T NEED THE FANCY CHURCH TO DO IT IN.
christ never said that... that you needed to have a fancy place in order to celebrate the eucharist. heck, he had the last supper in a room he'd rented. why aren't we all following THAT example literally???!!?!
he can't see the forest for the trees. what kind of disconnect has to happen for a man to proclaim himself a follower of jesus, yet be able to look at the homeless and NOT SEE that there is so much he could do to help them!?!?!?
GAH.
i remember growing up in the catholic church, and asking why, if the church is there for the people, they have to lock the doors when the priest leaves?
the response was that there are things in there that would get stolen.
so i asked why we have THINGS that we need to protect in the building, then??
at which point i was patted on the head and walked away from.
as the guy in the origional video said... christ wouldn't be allowed in to the churches. christ doesn't just need shelter on sunday morning... if christ came to those churches, he wouldn't be able to get in because the door is locked.
Mendalla
I'm not anti-religion, but I
Posted on: 01/21/2012 13:17
I'm not anti-religion, but I am anti-"how religion is often practiced". Religion that ignores the need to care for those outside its walls isn't for me. Religion that seeks to regulate and control, rather comfort and uplift, I can do without. Religion that loses itself in theological abstractions without looking at the real world, I have a problem with. In short, religion or faith that empty and focussed on how it thinks the world is (or should be) rather than on the reality outside its (physical and spiritual) walls..
IMHO, that's what Jesus was against, not necessarily the concept of people practicing some kind of faith. After all, he did go to synagogue, he did say that whenever we gather in his name, he is present, and so on.
Mendalla
blackbelt
MikePaterson wrote: I love
Posted on: 01/21/2012 14:46
I love "god" — as Jesus taught.
Loving Jesus as "it" — as THE centre and pinnacle of divinity — is idolatorous. What about the other great faiths? The other great teachers? Nothing there? At all?
what about them? there all in the grave,
Not Jesus
blackbelt
Great Video Geo
Posted on: 01/21/2012 14:47
Great Video Geo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus is the only way period
unsafe
Hi blackbelt your
Posted on: 01/21/2012 14:56
Hi blackbelt your quote-- Jesus is the only way period
seeler
For me the Way that Jesus
Posted on: 01/21/2012 15:27
For me the Way that Jesus walked is the Way to God. Fortunately many people have walked that Way. I continue to follow along to the best of my ability. Thank God ffor all the people who walked the Way before me, and who walk the Way beside me and for those who will guide my Grandchildren on the Way.
trishcuit
Wow that was amazing Bud.
Posted on: 01/21/2012 15:31
Wow that was amazing Bud. Thanks for posting!
MikePaterson
Blackbelt: that's simply
Posted on: 01/21/2012 16:23
Blackbelt: that's simply silly.
blackbelt
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/21/2012 16:28
Blackbelt: that's simply silly.
Not to Jesus it is'nt, nore To the Creator or to millions of Christians around the world or to me,
but to you and others yes i guess it is
MikePaterson
I think Jeusus would be less
Posted on: 01/21/2012 16:36
I think Jeusus would be less than happy with his teachings being turned into some kind of narrow-minded cult of spiritual bigotry — unless, of course, he's been seriously misrepresented in the various Gosepel acoounts we have of his life and teachings. Or do you want everyone to solve the world's problems by seeing everything your way... I find it hard not to see the appropriation of spiritual teaching to the cause of self-justification as something really ugly and really fairly dangerous. It tends to prey on vulnerable souls.
airclean33
Hi Geo-- I liked your rap
Posted on: 01/21/2012 16:41
Hi Geo-- I liked your rap vid. --But I don't like comeing down to hard on churchs. In the end churchs are made up by those who attend them.In most casses I'v found them to be good people ,who for one reason or not , have lost there way a littel. When a man or women put on a gowen and step forward to help others . Does that make them less of a Brother or Sister?So it may be a little like that saying goes. Rather than curse the dark , Try lighting a candle. Maybe ask a Minister if (you) can help, treat them as Brothers and Sisters as what they are.Think of any one you meet , that walks with Christ Jesus as Brothers and Sisters, and show Love.If you want to show Love to Jesus. The next person in the world you meet , go ahead .Jesus is watching.
airclean33
seeler wrote: For me the
Posted on: 01/21/2012 16:55
For me the Way that Jesus walked is the Way to God. Fortunately many people have walked that Way. I continue to follow along to the best of my ability. Thank God ffor all the people who walked the Way before me, and who walk the Way beside me and for those who will guide my Grandchildren on the Way.
airclean33
Hi Blackbelt nice to see you
Posted on: 01/21/2012 17:02
Hi Blackbelt nice to see you again Brother.---------------------------------------------------------Hi Mikepaterson I hope life finds you well--------------------------------------------------------
blackbelt
MikePaterson wrote: I think
Posted on: 01/21/2012 17:34
I think Jeusus would be less than happy with his teachings being turned into some kind of narrow-minded cult of spiritual bigotry — unless, of course, he's been seriously misrepresented in the various Gosepel acoounts we have of his life and teachings. Or do you want everyone to solve the world's problems by seeing everything your way... I find it hard not to see the appropriation of spiritual teaching to the cause of self-justification as something really ugly and really fairly dangerous. It tends to prey on vulnerable souls.
I find it very funny how you take the work of Christ and wash it in the same laundry with the rest , diminish his resurrection and call the believer of that only truth , cultish then call those who believe in his exclusivity bigoted .
Everything in scripture points to Christ exclusivity and you call that spiritual bigotry, I could respect you more if you simply say i don’t believe it appose to attacking ,
instead of debate you attack You are very rude and ignorant
MikePaterson
Airclean: Jesus certainly
Posted on: 01/21/2012 17:34
Airclean: Jesus certainly offers a path to Truth. I just don't get the exclusivity and arrogance of some people who see his teachings as justification for narrow sectarian exclusivism. We each have to traed our own path through life; life is too short to judge people for the way they're trying to make the path they're on work for them.
blackbelt
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/21/2012 17:40
Airclean: Jesus certainly offers a path to Truth. I just don't get the exclusivity and arrogance of some people who see his teachings as justification for narrow sectarian exclusivism. We each have to traed our own path through life; life is too short to judge people for the way they're trying to make the path they're on work for them.
Jesus offers the only path to Truth, Christ exclusivity is inclusive for all , that’s a truth you need to learn
Sorry airclean I’m sure you capable of answering mike , but he seems to think his subtle arrogant ways of trying to lower others is ok when he does it.
MikePaterson
Don't start wimpering, Black
Posted on: 01/21/2012 17:42
Don't start wimpering, Black belt: It doesn't suit you.
Jesus taught that his way was a journey to truth, in truth… everbody, he reportedly said, had to undertake such a journey. Christ's teaching was not to make an imovable fortress of one;s faith, but to love: love god and love others… the fortress mentality rejects both great loves in favor of the personal delusion of being "right" while everyone else id "wrong": as a result there is not one church but hundreds upon hundreds. As million of closed minds about what other paths — including nature, the creation itself — can teach us.
blackbelt
MikePaterson wrote: Don't
Posted on: 01/21/2012 17:50
Don't start wimpering, Black belt: It doesn't suit you.
wimpering would be backing off, calling your ingorance is standing up,
you keep prrving my point mike
Jesus taught that his way was a journey to truth, in truth… everbody, he reportedly said, had to undertake such a journey. Christ's teaching was not to make an imovable fortress of one;s faith, but to love: love god and love others… the fortress mentality rejects both great loves in favor of the personal delusion of being "right" while everyone else id "wrong": as a result there is not one church but hundreds upon hundreds. As million of closed minds about what other paths — including nature, the creation itself — can teach us.
The topic is about religion vs Jesus Mike , read above, religions contradict each other, that means truth is not in the mist, someone gets to say what truth is and by its very nature truth is EXCLUSLIVE, so while you calm a way of truth , you haven’t a clue of what it is
airclean33
Hi Blackbelt -- You can
Posted on: 01/21/2012 18:07
Hi Blackbelt -- You can answer for me anytime you like Brother.
blackbelt
airclean33 wrote: Hi
Posted on: 01/21/2012 18:16
Hi Blackbelt -- You can answer for me anytime you like Brother.
Thanks airclean
sighsnootles
so, if jesus is the 'one
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:07
so, if jesus is the 'one truth', why do all the christians seem to be about going to church??
i've seen athiests who are more christ like than any christian... i've seen athiests fight for the oppressed in society to the point where their lives were on the line.
i've seen muslims stand up to terrorists, and put their very lives on the line trying to protect minorities in their society.
of the christians i hear that ARE fighting for minority rights, they are the ones that tend to be in churches that most other christians call 'bad' or 'wrong' or 'not following gods laws'.
can you explain that to me, blackbelt?? because the christians that i am seeing right now, the ones that people stand up and cheer and say what great role models they are for jesus... newt gingrich, rick santorum, sarah palin, stephen harper, rick perry... don't really inspire me to be a better person as much as someone like ghandi does. and he was hindu.
although, apparently he did say that 'i like your christ, i do not like your christians. your christians are so unlike your christ'. which is pretty much what the origional video was saying, i guess...
sighsnootles
blackbelt wrote: The topic
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:11
The topic is about religion vs Jesus Mike , read above, religions contradict each other, that means truth is not in the mist, someone gets to say what truth is and by its very nature truth is EXCLUSLIVE, so while you calm a way of truth , you haven’t a clue of what it is
your claim that truth is exclusive is putting limits on gods power, blackbelt... and that is heresy.
hopefully you got something better than that whole 'rock' nonsense you normally spout, too...
besides, i see more of jesus in mike... he isn't putting any limits on gods power. whereas you want to put god in a box and try and pick who gets to see him and who doesn't.
blackbelt
sighsnootles
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:14
The topic is about religion vs Jesus Mike , read above, religions contradict each other, that means truth is not in the mist, someone gets to say what truth is and by its very nature truth is EXCLUSLIVE, so while you calm a way of truth , you haven’t a clue of what it is
besides, i see more of jesus in mike... he isn't putting any limits on gods power. whereas you want to put god in a box and try and pick who gets to see him and who doesn't.
then give him a brownie cookie
airclean33
Hi Mike-- I don't like to get
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:15
Hi Mike-- I don't like to get in when two are talking on something . As you and Blackbelt were. I undersand there is a movement to bring different beliefs together.Three of the magor relgions follow the same GOD. But we very differently in how we go to that God. As a follower of Christ my belief is the only way to GOD is through Jesus. Ofcourse
blackbelt
sighsnootles wrote: so, if
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:16
so, if jesus is the 'one truth', why do all the christians seem to be about going to church??
i've seen athiests who are more christ like than any christian... i've seen athiests fight for the oppressed in society to the point where their lives were on the line.
i've seen muslims stand up to terrorists, and put their very lives on the line trying to protect minorities in their society.
of the christians i hear that ARE fighting for minority rights, they are the ones that tend to be in churches that most other christians call 'bad' or 'wrong' or 'not following gods laws'.
can you explain that to me, blackbelt?? because the christians that i am seeing right now, the ones that people stand up and cheer and say what great role models they are for jesus... newt gingrich, rick santorum, sarah palin, stephen harper, rick perry... don't really inspire me to be a better person as much as someone like ghandi does. and he was hindu.
although, apparently he did say that 'i like your christ, i do not like your christians. your christians are so unlike your christ'. which is pretty much what the origional video was saying, i guess...
Theirs a new one the professors are going to love
Truth based on actions LOL
sighsnootles
blackbelt
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:17
The topic is about religion vs Jesus Mike , read above, religions contradict each other, that means truth is not in the mist, someone gets to say what truth is and by its very nature truth is EXCLUSLIVE, so while you calm a way of truth , you haven’t a clue of what it is
besides, i see more of jesus in mike... he isn't putting any limits on gods power. whereas you want to put god in a box and try and pick who gets to see him and who doesn't.
then give him a brownie cookie
luckily, my daughter just made brownies this afternoon, too!!
sighsnootles
blackbelt wrote: Theirs
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:18
Theirs a new one the professors are going to love
Truth based on actions LOL
explain please??
sighsnootles
airclean33 wrote: Hi Mike--
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:24
Hi Mike-- I don't like to get in when two are talking on something . As you and Blackbelt were. I undersand there is a movement to bring different beliefs together.Three of the magor relgions follow the same GOD. But we very differently in how we go to that God. As a follower of Christ my belief is the only way to GOD is through Jesus. Ofcourse
i'm a follower of christ as well.
however, i am not an atonement theologist, and i don't believe that the crucifixion of jesus had anything to do with a bloodthirsty god demanding a human be tortured and murdered to appease him...
i believe that jesus died to show us the way to god... that if we want to have eternal life with god, we have to walk the path that jesus showed us. i believe that jesus' LIFE was more important than his death. i believe that his example to us, that if we fight for the poor, the sick, the marginalized, to the point where we place OUR LIVES ON THE LINE TO PROTECT THEM, we will NOT DIE. WE WILL LIVE FOREVER!!
HALLELUJAH!!
that is what the life, the death, and the ressurection of jesus mean to me.
my heart sings with joy just typing about it!! PRAISE GOD!!
we can all be together for eternity with our loving god... we just have to love each other so much that we are willing to lay our lives down to ensure that ALL OF US, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.... is cared for.
THAT is what jesus taught us.
airclean33
Hi Sighs-- I gusse you won't
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:31
Hi Sighs-- I gusse you won't like my post ither. Is it not funny, I always thought to be call Christian you had to follow Christ . Now I find out I could follow gahndi?
seeler
airclean - I'm sure that you
Posted on: 01/21/2012 19:37
airclean - I'm sure that you have met many Christians on the WonderCafe. You will see that we don't all agree all the time. That is fine with me. You see, I think that God is so great and so wonderful that no one person can understand all about God. If they claim to, I think they are misguided. I think that God loves us all and helps us in our walk along the Way. I see that in the example and teachings of Jesus. I see that in many of the people I meet today, including many of the leaders in my church. They help me to follow the Way. What I don't find helpful is when someone else tries to tell me who is a Christian and who isn't, or what I have to do to be a Christian.
airclean33
Hi Sighs-----Sighs
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:06
Hi Sighs-----Sighs Wrote-----
i'm a follower of christ as well.
however, i am not an atonement theologist, and i don't believe that the crucifixion of jesus had anything to do with a bloodthirsty god demanding a human be tortured and murdered to appease him...----------------------------------------------------------------------------------You can Believe what ever you want , It dose not make it right.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But now I begin to see why you post some of things you do. ----------------------------------------------There is another person who would like to see the cross gone as well.But you or mike, or anyone else will not move it.That you want the world to sett , and sing together is fine , Ofcouse it has to be your tune.I don't mind you being a Mulim--or Jew---or for that matter any relgion you would like.I not going to tell you what to believe in you faith or how.I may tell you I think your wrong but thats your choice. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But once you say I'm a christain now we can talk .So let me see you said.-----------------believe that jesus died to show us the way to god... that if we want to have eternal life with god, we have to walk the path that jesus showed us. i believe that jesus' LIFE was more important than his death. i believe that his example to us, that if we fight for the poor, the sick, the marginalized, to the point where we place OUR LIVES ON THE LINE TO PROTECT THEM, we will NOT DIE. WE WILL LIVE FOREVER!!
HALLELUJAH!!----------------------------So you think that what you do on this earth is worth more than one drop of Jesus Blood?and God will for give you because your such a good person? Your a sinner, if Christ don't save you your lost.He is the only one that had no sin. You don"t get save by works . You are saved by Grace.Get a new Bible and read it.
MikePaterson
Airclean: I have no argument
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:07
Airclean: I have no argument with you. We all walk our own paths ultimately, and we grow as we journey... all the bothers me about Blackbelt is his ruthless exclusion of paths other than his own. Faith and wisdom, salvation and truth are things we DO, things we discover in ourselves (hopefully) as we make what we BEST can of life. Each of us has to do that. And it certainly helps everyone, including ourselves, where we canshow respect and curiosity and companionship. God is love, and you can't keep love in a little box for the few… love is big, energetic and far more powerful than little us… it's for us all.
sighsnootles
airclean33 wrote: Hi
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:07
Hi Sighs-- I gusse you won't like my post ither. Is it not funny, I always thought to be call Christian you had to follow Christ . Now I find out I could follow gahndi?
i don't know what you have to do to be called a christian these days, airclean... i have seen people call themselves christian, and then torture and murder someone they don't agree with. i have seen people call themselves christian and then scream at someone because they don't agree with who they fall in love with. i have seen people call themselves christian, and then tell a child it is their own fault that they are too hungry to learn anything at school, and proceed to take away the services that might help them.
and i have watched people who call themselves christian applaud and cheer these behaviours, and hold these people up as role models for true christians everywhere.
where did jesus DO THAT??
airclean, imho you should't worry about who calls themselves christian and who doesn't. you need to look at what they do, rather than what they say. look at the current slate of GOP candidates... they all call themselves christian. but if they didn't keep TELLING YOU, over and over, that they are christian, i don't think that you would even associate anything close to jesus in those people... same with stephen harper. he calls himself christian, but if he didn't tell you he was christian, you wouldn't have a clue he was even religious, let alone a follower of jesus.
sighsnootles
airclean33 wrote: You can
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:27
You can Believe what ever you want , It dose not make it right.
---------------------But now I begin to see why you post some of things you do.
what do you mean?
There is another person who would like to see the cross gone as well.
where did i say i want the cross gone?? what are you talking about?
But you or mike, or anyone else will not move it.That you want the world to sett , and sing together is fine , Ofcouse it has to be your tune.
i didn't say i want the cross moved... what are you talking about??
and if you think that it has to be 'my tune', then you misread my post.
I don't mind you being a Mulim--or Jew---or for that matter any relgion you would like.I not going to tell you what to believe in you faith or how.I may tell you I think your wrong but thats your choice.
well, if you claim to speak for god, thats your choice. that seems a little heretical to me, though... god is greater than what you or i can possibly comprehend.
But once you say I'm a christain now we can talk ..... So you think that what you do on this earth is worth more than one drop of Jesus Blood?
personally, i doubt that jesus cares one way or the other. jesus is just loving me the way i am. but as you said earlier, you can think whatever you want.
and God will for give you because your such a good person?
god loves me. and you. and everyone.
and we can all live forever.
do you believe that a person can live a life completely contrary to the example jesus set for us, but as long as they say 'jesus christ is my lord and saviour', thats all you need to do??
really?? you believe that jesus was just words?? that the only thing that is important is words?? that words can possibly have ANY meaning without the actions to back them up?!?!?
good grief. that is a bizarre concept. just words?? how do words mean anything without actions??
Your a sinner, if Christ don't save you your lost.He is the only one that had no sin. You don"t get save by works . You are saved by Grace.Get a new Bible and read it.
my faith IS my works, airclean... my works ARE my honour to god.
its not what you say, airclean... jesus did more than just talk. he didn't just call himself the son of god, his actions proved that he was.
if all you do is SAY you are a follower of christ, but then don't serve the poor, then its just words.
i have a bible, and i've read it. thats why i am a follower of jesus in more than just words... i am a follower of jesus in my actions.
unsafe
Hi airclean33 Your
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:50
Hi airclean33 Your Quote You are saved by Grace.Get a new Bible and read it.
Amen to that ---Good works will not get us to heaven .Going to church won't make us righteous but righteous people go to church. Helping the poor --and hungry ---serving in the soup kitchen --serving on committees in the church etc --etc will not make you right with God --According to God's word you need to ACCEPT CHRIST --which engages The Holy Spirit to be re connected to God who is spirit ---Until we do that we are away from God ----we can believe that Good works will connect us but that is not what The Bible says --Satan wants us to believe that our Good works will be good enough to connect us to God and Heaven --he wants us duped.
Religion is man made ---we can become born again at home we don't need religion or to be in a church to accept Christ and be spiritually reborn which makes us right standing ( righteous ) with God ---
Ephesians 2:8-9
New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
John 3:3
Amplified Bible (AMP)
3Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God.
This is as it is according to God's word -----Unless of course you don't believe The Bible --God's word.---Peace
MorningCalm
sighsnootles wrote:i don't
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:51
and i have watched people who call themselves christian applaud and cheer these behaviours, and hold these people up as role models for true christians everywhere.
I have seen Christians help people, feed them, give them clothing, peacefully dialogue with others whom they disagree with, and educate others without charging them a dime. It's all part of Christian service which is best done out of a thankful heart to God for all He has done for us.
MorningCalm
sighsnootles wrote:god loves
Posted on: 01/21/2012 20:53
Yes, yes, of course, but Baptists are His favourites.
Arminius
Hi Geo: If you love
Posted on: 01/22/2012 11:35
Hi Geo:
If you love Jesus but hate religion, then you might want to consider that the concept of the Jesus you love has been created by religion.
Nobody knows exactly what the historical Jesus was like. He may have been a zealous Galilean doomsday preacher, too fanatic, hairy and unkempt for our tastes. What gave him a halo and made him into the wondrous personage we admire today was religion.
The Christ we worship is an archetype, the archetype for unconditional universal love. Jesus was identified with that archetype by religion. If we love that archetype, then it is best to practice what the archetype stands for. We can do that without or within any religion, but hating religion does not seem to be in the spirit of Christ.
sighsnootles
MorningCalm wrote: I
Posted on: 01/21/2012 21:19
I have seen Christians help people, feed them, give them clothing, peacefully dialogue with others whom they disagree with, and educate others without charging them a dime. It's all part of Christian service which is best done out of a thankful heart to God for all He has done for us.
i have seen this as well, and it always gives me hope for the world... i wish that society would hold these people up as christians, rather than the ones we see now. kinda like how the only muslims we tend to see are the ones burning flags and screaming, i guess. they are no more symbols of thier religion than sarah palin is of christianity.
personally, i think that is why we are seeing people turning away from religion... it seems rather hypocritical to say that you follow this jesus guy if the moment you walk out of the church you go to a rally to stop same sex marriage and vote to cut the social safety net. we have all these people loudly proclaiming they are christian, and that we live in a christian country, yet we have homelessness. we have a pope - a man who CLAIMS TO BE THE VOICE OF GOD ON EARTH - who talks about how awful the famine in africa is, yet is sitting in a chair that could probably feed a couple hundred of them for at least a month if he sold it...
really, am i the only one who is seeing the HUUUGGEE disconnect in this?!?!?