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cabin cottage RV or Tent

Given the option which of the holiday modes would you pick?  I prefer the cabin and a tent as I enjoy the lack of interest in anything to do with the  hurry up.  Living with less  and less relaxes me and lets me do very little with very little guilt, which I really need to do. 

 

A cabin to me means, no running water, necessarily or just cold water, perhaps.  An outdoor lou, either gas or solar lamps.  A woodstove and perhaps a gas stove.

 

A cottage to me,  means booze, and people who want to be better than others even at ground zero         and indoor outdoor carpets ( ich)       and all of that         I find depressing in an environment  which to me should be all about sand and water and sun and wind and wild plants and animals.   

 

ditto with the tents.  Nothing is more relaxing and serene than the gentle wafting of the tent wall in the gentle summer breeze.  No freeway greedy RV will ever give me that.  RV's also stink of booze and it's a real turn off for me.  

 

That's just according to me.  What is your preference with experiencing our land in the summer.   

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I would prefer a cabin, but I

I would prefer a cabin, but I have a trailer in a nice park.

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A cabin or cottage, although

A cabin or cottage, although to me they are roughly the same thing. To me a cabin implies someplace smaller than a cottage and I tend to think of cabins as more isolated. Both would have at least cold running water and gas or wood stove. A few well placed windows and a few coleman lanterns are perfectly acceptable for light.  I also prefer them to be reasonably bug and mouse proof. Neither would have more people than just me (or possibly me and my husband) and a very large pile of books, knitting and cross-stitch.  I don't care for tents as they have yet to invent an air mattress or foam mattress that I find comfy, I like a proper bed. Tents also tend to leave a bit to be desired in the area of 'weather proof'.  I've been rained out of tents more than once and it's hell getting things dried out again in what generally amounts to the middle of nowhere. An RV or Camper would be an option if I wanted to go touring about.

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I like our home away from

I like our home away from home, our 78 camper:

 

 

 

We got a new mattress this year to replace the foamie of undetermined age, and have gotten quite comfy there. We have no bathroom, and we can move around.  Nothing fancy, but comfy.

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When younger we did do the

When younger we did do the camping thing and quite enjoyed it. Now at my age and health issues a cottage with a good mattress is a requirement but you can still enjoy getting away and the lake and outdoors. As far as an outdoor loo is concerned, they really aren't good for the ecology of the lake and a composting toilet is now  much better environmentally. In fact I believe that in most areas outhouses are no longer allowed!

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pommum,   good point about

pommum,

 

good point about outhouses.  I guess that I was implicating an isolation for the cabin and also a population control.   Compositing one's own toilet  should be a given and moving it every so often, also.

 

As for air mattresses, I find them more comfy than my one at home.  We do take the luxury of refilling it every couple of days.  I also love my fluffy MEC sleeping bag. 

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Rowan - can I come visit you

Rowan - can I come visit you at your cabin?  It sounds perfect for me too.

 

When I was a kid, we had tent trailer - not the fancy ones you see today - just a place to sleep, up off the ground, with a screened in porch which was useful for the 'camp kitchen'.  I actually still have 'kitchen' box which my dad built, in my garage.  

 

I also did a fair bit of canoe tripping which I loved - when younger and stronger!

 

When our kids were around, we did lots of family camping trips.  We enjoyed the provincial or state parks where things were relatively quiet & campsites well separated.  Open field camping ... um, no thanks.

 

One year we did rent an RV - mid size - and took a trip to Maine for a family reunion.  It was actually quite wonderful for travelling with the kids who were about 4 & 7 years old - pull over anywhere, get lunch ready in a flash, toilet always handy, they could sit at the table & colour or play while we travelled, quiet at night for sleeping - we really had a great vacation.  Pigs on gas though. The campground spaces for them vary quite a bit - some more rustic & separated, others just like a parking lot - they were not my favs.

 

Now, I'm in favour of some creature comforts, but in a spot that's private - not cheek to cheek with neighbours - some cottage areas seem more crowded than the city!!  I would NOT like that.   But I definitley would resist having TV & video at the cottage - I like to get away from that & do different things.

 

 

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It's tent for me. Cabin

It's tent for me. Cabin wouldn't fit in the canoe.

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Yah for sure, RV people

Yah for sure, RV people really have their own culture and I think the freeing up from the major ethnic cultures & class systems of "town" is a liberalising experience that RV'rs enjoy - slumming it on a lot of cash.  I mean they are after all, jes trailer trash , eh? 

 

But regardless of really great layouts and queen sized beds, one really has to  wonder at the cost of gas.  Solar power the things and we'd all feel a little better about the RV society. 

 

My cabin at the lake is now just a fantasy, although we had a great one when I was a kid. I feel sad that my kids don't get to experience that and the boat culture that I grew up with.  Still, I do know how to find really quiet beaches for tenting, and my cabin days w/o frills have made me a great camper.   I do need access to fresh water though. 

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If money were not an issue I

If money were not an issue I would be very happy in a cottage/cabin with full amenities and lots of windows looking out over the ocean or a lake. However, I do love our tent trailer and we love road trips and exploring. It’s not quite as handy as Northwind’s pull up and crawl in to bed truck camper, but it’s spacious for the 3 of us and suits us well. I would prefer our trailer to a small stuffy cabin. I sleep well in the trailer – big comfy bed, zip open the windows, turn on the fans if it’s hot and settle in to a good sleep.

 

jlin, I also grew up with summers at our lake ‘house’ (in NW Ontario) … what a life. My parents sold it before myst child was born because they moved to another part of the province -- too bad, I would have loved it if my child could have experienced summer holidays there.  

 

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Witch wrote: It's tent for

Witch wrote:

It's tent for me. Cabin wouldn't fit in the canoe.

 

You can fit a canoe in your tent?

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myst wrote:  I sleep well in

myst wrote:

 I sleep well in the trailer – big comfy bed, zip open the windows, turn on the fans if it’s hot and settle in to a good sleep.

 

 

 

FANS???  You have fans in your tent trailer?  Now this is an unimagined luxury! 

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I grew up going to the family

I grew up going to the family cottage that Grandad built about 70 years ago (it's been renovated and upgraded many times since, don't worry). It is by no means is as luxurious as jlin implies, but I know the type of "cottage" meant by that remark. They are springing up all over the lake (Boshkung Lake in Haliburton County, by the way). Ours is kind of halfway between a cabin and a cottage by jlin's definitions. The only downside to a cottage is that it's kind of static. My wife and I took our tent with us on our honeymoon (driving tour of New England and the Maritimes) and camped out 3 or 4 nights on that trip. We've also taken it to Algonquin Park a couple times. We've talked about doing the RV thing to get more mobility, but right now most of our travel is overseas (due to her conferences) so that may or may not happen. So, while a cottage is nice, something more mobile has its advantages.

 

Mendalla

 

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For me I always want a lake

For me I always want a lake for fishing wherever we go usually, I like trailers, cottages don't excite me much because of taxes, always having to work on it, maintain it. Cut the grass, put on a new roof, etc. Its like owning another house.

Tent camping is fun but has a claustrophobic feeling to it! 

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A trailer is a nuisance to

A trailer is a nuisance to haul, and usually means finding a park full of people with signs saying, "Hi. We're from Pigeon Falls, Dakota."  Both trailers and RVs severely limit the places you can go to. A trailer kept in situ - as if it were a cottage - would be okay as long as you have a site you really enjoy.

Generally, I prefer tenting. It's easy to look after, and gets into places no other habitation can get to.

Don't worry about outhouses. If you're in remote spot, just look for a fallen tree. Everything from dinosaurs to moose have been using the wild for an outhouse for a million years - to everyone's benefit.

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Aside to Mendalla - hey - I

Aside to Mendalla - hey - I was up in Haliburton last weekend - just down the road from Boshkung at a cottage on Big Hawk Lake!  Great countryside up there.

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carolla, we have these nifty

carolla, we have these nifty lights that snap on above the beds that also have little built in fans. We generally camp in provincial parks that do not have electricity, but the trailer battery can give us lights for bedtime reading (and fan if needed) for about a week. We also have a small table top fan we take with us for hot weeks at Naramata Centre - and we do have electrcity there.

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I'm off to the cottage next

I'm off to the cottage next week, and like Mendalla's, its not fancy nor is it uppity.  Its just a place that my aunt has nurtured to make room for people she loves, and we've all pitched in along the way.  And it has a beautiful sunset view of the bay.  No shower, no laundry, but a kitchen & bathroom.  In a storm, I like that it is solid and stable.

I love tents but understand that my sweetie has a harder time with them physically.  But we're hoping to get back into a tent a few nights this year.  I have also lived through the character-building rainy experiences and would rather have a solid roof & floor if the weather is less than pleasant.  Best part about tenting is that you can get out in the backwoods away from anything.

 

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I'm off to tent at the end of

I'm off to tent at the end of Stony Lake (north of Peterborough) this weekend for a rock-tourism trip.  You just don't get the same kinds of interesting minerals and such down here in London.

 

Should be fun - one of our group of 4 hasn't ever camped before. :)

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You and I are neighbors in

You and I are neighbors in this area AZ because we go up to Buckhorn, and Pigion lake near peterborough.

I like renting a cabin for few days.

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Mendalla wrote:  They are

Mendalla wrote:

 They are springing up all over the lake (Boshkung Lake in Haliburton County, by the way). Ours is kind of halfway between a cabin and a cottage by jlin's definitions.  

Mendalla

 

 

Sheesh, I wrote about my aunt and uncle and then realized they were on Kawagama Lake. It was my great and and uncle who built a cottage on Boashkung in the 30's. Her brother and sister also built on lots nearby. My mother's cousin inherited the cottage and has since put a big place on it. Sad really. The old cottage had a lot of charm, even if it was tilting and needed work.

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I've done both tenting and

I've done both tenting and cottaging this summer.  I just came out of Algonquin Park, where I spent 3 days in a tent as part of a canoe/camp/fish weekend.  Then I came back to the decadent cottage where there's running hot and cold water, a flush turlet and a shower.  After three days of washing from shore or in the water, using a portable filter system for  drinking water and sitting on an open-air box for - well - you know what for, our little cottage on the Ottawa River feels absolutely luxurious.  

 

My last night in Algonquin I came out of the tent around 5am for a nature call.  A halo moon was hanging low in the sky, its light reflecting the heavilly wooded horizon onto the tiny lake.  Wispy clouds scudded past, but did nothing to dim the moonglow, so strong I realize now it lit our campsite in a sort of deep dusk.  My words beggar the effect as would a painting, which might come closer still.  I shall never, ever, be able to recreate the beauty of it and the feelings it engendered. 

 

Cottage, tent, trailer or cabin, moments like that  will keep me heading in the direction of the door...

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jlin wrote: A cabin to me

jlin wrote:

A cabin to me means, no running water, necessarily or just cold water, perhaps.  An outdoor lou, either gas or solar lamps.  A woodstove and perhaps a gas stove.

 

 

A wood stove is not a very good environmental option.  They create alot of pollution plus of course they need trees cut down in order to use as fuel. 

 

A cabin to me implies something in the woods as opposed to a cottage which to me implies on the water.

 

jlin wrote:

A cottage to me,  means booze, and people who want to be better than others even at ground zero         and indoor outdoor carpets ( ich)       and all of that         I find depressing in an environment  which to me should be all about sand and water and sun and wind and wild plants and animals.   

I think you are really making a harsh statement here.  Cottages booze??? And feeling better than others, in door outdoor carpets?   

 

there are cottages that are simple, family owed, lovely places to relax, fish, swim, canoe.  there are also million dollar cottages that are also lovely places to relax, fish, swim, canoe.  Neither is better than the other, one just takes more money.

 

jliin wrote:

ditto with the tents.  Nothing is more relaxing and serene than the gentle wafting of the tent wall in the gentle summer breeze.  No freeway greedy RV will ever give me that.  RV's also stink of booze and it's a real turn off for me.  

 

I can see that you are predudiced against cottage owners and RV owners and have a very poor opinion of both.  What a sad attitude.

 

I also love a tent in the middle of no where.    Each holiday method has it's pluses.

 

For me, a vacation place needs privacy.  That is my number one criteria.  We have a wood cabin that we have renovated to ultimately be used as a year round home.  But I also love to take a canoe and tent into Algonquin for long stretches and work hard and relax and find privacy there.

 

I am not a keen user of trailors and campgrounds simply because for me, privacy and aloneness is what I crave. 

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carolla wrote: Aside to

carolla wrote:

Aside to Mendalla - hey - I was up in Haliburton last weekend - just down the road from Boshkung at a cottage on Big Hawk Lake!  Great countryside up there.

 

It's beautiful. I've been over to Big Hawk Lake on occasion. Did you go see the old log chute? We aren't going this year (conserving vacation time so we can go visit my in-laws in the fall), but spent a few days at a resort near Parry Sound over Canada Day and it did remind of the "old days". We're thinking about going again next year since we realized on this trip that our son is now big enough to handle a paddle and he and I did some canoeing together. He's also interested in kayaking.

 

Mendalla

 

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We got our camper last year

We got our camper last year and have had some good opportunities to use it since. We have visited campgrounds where campers/trailers and tents are close to each other. We have also visited places that have privacy. We could take the truck to an out of the way place and plunk it in the middle of nowhere, especially in this part of the country. Sometimes campgrounds are nice because you get to meet other people. On the other hand, there are people who travel in huge RV's in this area so they can go up the Alaska Highway. They tend to park their rigs and hide inside watching TV and such. I like that our camper is small and not a place to stay inside for long periods unless necessary. Camping is a good time to hang outdoors.

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I hate to say this as my

I hate to say this as my camping days are long gone - getting hard to get up from the ground in the middle of the night.

 

We live on a river so have year round comfort and outdoors - the moon was beautiful on the river the last few nights.

 

So when we leave our paradise we end in hotels - but that is few and far between - no need to travel on vacation we live it year round

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Told this before but is my

Told this before but is my favorite camping story and there is a moral.

My sister and husband and friends were camping some years ago. A newly wed couple pulled into the site next to them ( car and tent trailer - all decorated). About an hour after they arrived, there was a hullabaloo. The tent came lose from the mattress board and two naked newly weds fell out on the ground.

My sister and group were rude - much yahooing and the like..

When they got up in the morning the newly weds were long gone.

Moral - be careful where you park in a tent trailer if you are up to hanky panky.

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When I was a camp director

When I was a camp director aaaaggggeeeeesssss ago, we'd have a tent at a campsite in case of rain, but our campers usually slept out under the stars.  (Of course, this was southern Ontario where they get more than two weeks of summer unlike other provinces.)

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Panentheism wrote: We live on

Panentheism wrote:

We live on a river so have year round comfort and outdoors - the moon was beautiful on the river the last few nights.

 

 

Sounds like my aunt. She and her husband winterized one of the buildings on the family cottage property I mentioned upthread and live on the lake year round now that they are retired. Nothing fancy, but it's comfortable and has a great view of the lake from the living and dining rooms. I wouldn't mind doing the same thing down the road, but my wife is a fairly urban sort (growing up in Shanghai does that to you) and would probably find it too isolated.

 

Mendalla

 

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For years we were hard-core

For years we were hard-core tenters.  I love sleeping in a tent and love the sound of rain on the tarp overhead.  We have never had too much difficulty with water/rain because my husband is one of the expert tarp-hangers.  My youngest son was sleeping in a tent by the age of 4 months.  Even specialson tented for a while.  We would hike his feeding pump out to a ranger station every night and pick it up in the morning so he could continue to get tube feedings. 

 

In recent years we have moved to a tent trailer.  We still tend to stay at hydro-free campsites so we don't use the little fridge or anything in the trailer.  We just see it as a slighter better tent.  I do appreciate being off the ground after a few nights.

 

In my fantasies I own a cottage.  We have talked about purchasing a vacation property and someday that might happen for us, but not right now.  And even if it does happen it would not be the uppity place that I think jlin imagines....something more modest. Realistically though, summer respite is so difficult to get that a summer-seasonal place probably would never be a good idea for us.  We have talked about something like the Collingwood/Blue Mountains area with the idea that it would be close to skiing, golfing, hiking, biking and beaches (year-round activities, not just summer). For me it would be more of a place I could escape to when the the presence of almost 24-hour staff in our home gets to be too much.  I love them but sometimes I just need to be in a place where it is just me (or just me and hubby, etc.).

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holy moley - 24 staff? or

holy moley - 24 staff? or 24/7 staff  - or both.  Listen up holey moley Daisy Jane, you have the bread,  invest in a cabin yesterday, and don't hesitate.  You have no idea how much you need it.

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ummm ... jlin ....

ummm ... jlin .... daisyjane's "staff" are nurses who care for her severely disabled son ... not maids & butlers waiting on her.  

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Two pics from the dock of the

Two pics from the dock of the cottage where I spent last weekend ... it was a magical sunset ...

 

 

(@ Mendalla - yes, the log chute is cool!  The water was very low in early July but now the lake level is SO high - we had no beach at all at the cottage, so no campfire at night.   That happens when the lake is on a dam system I suppose!  Weird tho.

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Apology ... I can't seem to

Apology ... I can't seem to get that second picture to scale down to a proper size!!  I've tried four times, so now I give up!

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joejack2 wrote: When I was a

joejack2 wrote:

When I was a camp director aaaaggggeeeeesssss ago, we'd have a tent at a campsite in case of rain, but our campers usually slept out under the stars.  (Of course, this was southern Ontario where they get more than two weeks of summer unlike other provinces.)

 

You dare say that to a BC'r?

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carolla wrote: ummm ... jlin

carolla wrote:

ummm ... jlin .... daisyjane's "staff" are nurses who care for her severely disabled son ... not maids & butlers waiting on her.  

 

oh, gee thanks for that enlightenment, I did think they were the butlers. and drivers of course. and , gee Carolla, you must be the accountant . . . so good of you to clear that up for DJ.   I'm sure she appreciates your intimacy and concern.

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Witch wrote: joejack2

Witch wrote:

joejack2 wrote:

When I was a camp director aaaaggggeeeeesssss ago, we'd have a tent at a campsite in case of rain, but our campers usually slept out under the stars.  (Of course, this was southern Ontario where they get more than two weeks of summer unlike other provinces.)

 

You dare say that to a BC'r?

 

jj  I like sleeping outdoors too.  Sometimes, I just go out on the patio and set up.  Witch is right though, in BC, it is possible for those inclined to sleep out doors  in February, if they so wish . . . which is why we attract a large indigenous street camp population.

  But, it does rain all year round., here.   Our dry spells that are called "summer" are actually more like mini droughts in the rain forest.

 

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carolla wrote: (@ Mendalla -

carolla wrote:

(@ Mendalla - yes, the log chute is cool!  The water was very low in early July but now the lake level is SO high - we had no beach at all at the cottage, so no campfire at night.   That happens when the lake is on a dam system I suppose!  Weird tho.

 

Yeah, the Trent-Severn waterway may be a wonderful thing for the boating crowd, but it can be an annoyance for those of us on the feeder lake system. Our water levels are entirely at the mercy of the MNR folks who manage the waterway and those of us further back in the system aren't always happy with the decisions made. There've been years when we had a beach, then had none, then had one again, then had part of one, all over the course of one summer as they messed with the dams. There've been years where we had to stop the outboard, pull it up, and paddle in to the dock because the water was out so far. There've been years when we could probably use the motor right up to shore. Of course, I don't care about the motor side of it anymore. I have no interest in paying to obtain the new boater's card, so I'm going to stick to canoes and kayaks from now on. Never been crazy about driving the motor boat anyway.

 

Mendalla

 

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One of my best holiday

One of my best holiday memories is a canoe/kayak/tenting week in Killarney Park a few years ago.  Our group camped (tented) on an island and spent the days paddling Collins Inlet and hiking in the Park.

The other was a multi-day kayak paddle in the North Channel of Manitoulin Island.  The scenery was spectacular.   One gets a totally different perspective of lakes and shorelines from the cockpit of a kayak....plus nature is undisturbed and it is possible to get up close and personal with loons and other water birds.

 

Sadly, my back doesn't allow for sleeping in tents anymore, but I'm happy with a rough cottage or cabin as long as the bed is comfortable.

 

 

 

 

 

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jlin.   Carolla was correct. 

jlin.

 

Carolla was correct.  The 24/7 staff I was referring to are nurses that care for Matthew almost round the clock.  I wish they were butlers and maids! 

 

I'm not sure if I am hearing disdain in your postings but the stress of always having nursing staff in your house can get exhausting.  I don't get the sense you think so, but trust me, it can be tiring after a while.  They are wonderful, but I don't feel I can ever truly let my hair down because they are there.  Even when we are sleeping we have awake nursing staff moving through our house providing care to Matthew (he needs constant monitoring even when asleep).  I always feel I  need to be polite, constructive and up.  I personally don't feel there is a place for me to be cranky, tired, or whatever.   Your home, your parenting, etc,  is always being assessed by professionals.   Our home functions as a worksite and/or mini-hospital for a collection of nurses, personal support workers and at times, dieticians, therapists and other medical staff.  We have a "nursing station" with communication board and so on in Matthew' bedroom. 

 

We have talked about the fact that if Matthew is to remain with us always (a goal, vs. instituionalization), I may need a place I can run away to when I become overwhelmed....when the introvert in me needs a break.  We cannot afford such a place right now.  However, if our plans unfold as we hope they do we may be in the position to afford such a place (modest) in about five years. 

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 Daisy Jane have you read the

 Daisy Jane have you read the articles and now book by Ian Brown, about his son with severe disabilities?  

 

I can vouched for Collingwood area.  Close to Toronto, easier drive than Muskoka,  Skiing, hiking, beaches.  

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LP.  Yes, I have read Ian

LP.  Yes, I have read Ian Brown's book.  I loved it!  In fact, a little over a month ago an organization for which I serve on the board invited him to be our keynote speaker at our AGM.  He's just as fantastic in person!

 

Thanks for your thoughts on Collingwood (or area).    While I would LOVE a cottage, a  place that we would need to worry about opening, closing, septic systems, etc, in addition to only really being usable 4 months of the year when it is most difficult to obtain respite would be a poor use of money for us. 

 

I like the idea of a condo, or small chalet,  in Collingwood near Blue Mountain.  I love to ski (though I am not all that good!) and my husband loves to mountain bike and we both like to hike.  Throw in some golf courses and a beach a short drive away in addition to a decent sized town (with restaurants, theatres etc). and I think it may be the most logical place for us to have our run-away retreat.  The fact that we could get to it in about two hours WITHOUT going near the 400 is a bonus!

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 There are actually alot of

 There are actually alot of places on the market now.  Quite a few condos and townhouses around and small homes on golf courses.

 

Take a look at Lora Bay, golf course, beach area, hiking trails, short drive to ski.

 

 

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Daisy  Jane You don't

Daisy  Jane

You don't actually think that I thought you had servants?  (Man, what a waste of sarcasm.)   I really can't imagine what you dream my IQ to be.  But,  even if irrelevant, I can assure you that I passed puzzles logic reason with flying colours . . . on the Stanford IQ test which may only make me white middle class people but then, that's who we're talking about anyway, so it is in this case relevant?

 

My concern was that anyone who has care staff around for 24/7 needs a safe place for the family to just be.  This may not only be the home away from home, eventually, but likely the true home - even if it were only a cabin the size of a shack -.  I can guarentee that your family would  begin to think of it as the heart .

 

Having said that, what great ideas are being presented and from the sound of things you aren't going to opt for the shack, although, that may be what the family needs.   But, my ideas come from the earth not the class system and so you likely will not relate to them as adequate, thus, the really really weird perception of my IQ.   I can assure you that my "fall" from the middle class has nothing to do either with my intelligence, abilities, lack of creativity or any form of educated sensitivies.  It is simply to do with a severe and life altering mental illness which hit at age 28 and took me 10 years to pull through - which I did using orthomolecualr therapy and lots of talk therapy ( mostly Adler laced with RD Laing some Jung and finishing off with a huge helping of common sense super IQ small town Saskatchewan NDP feminist - where it ain't so easy to be one) without using drug therapy and  this time period of healing also included climbing out of the prejudice ( class induced) of others who would not either befriend or employ me .  Those people have not become less prejudiced, I have just had to become twice as smart as even most women have to be to survive in the patriatchal unjust world.  yourself, for instance, in a marriage to a lawyer, supported to take care of the family and career which is full time plus half employment and still, you are seeking other employment - more like you. 

 

I don't usually take time to point this out, but in your case, Ms. brains, I thought you could use  a little adult ot adult reality check.  One reason I have felt that you would particularly appreciate losing the "servants" in a safe place. 

 

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Jlin, In my lifetime, I have

Jlin, In my lifetime, I have had some experiences similar to yours. Right now I appreciate my friends here at WonderCafe. I could be envious of some of them but I concentrate on appreciating them. They help me appreciate and build upon what I have. I am afraid that you may be alienating your fellow posters by expressing your bitterness.

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 wow jlin, take a deep breath

 wow jlin, take a deep breath and rethink 

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jlin,   I honestly wasn't

jlin,

 

I honestly wasn't sure what you were thinking.  That is the problem with internet relationships.  Hence my attempt to clarify the situation.  I did think you were being a tad sarcastic because you have been in the past.  We have had previous exchanges where your general disdain for my lifestyle was palpable.   If I was unfair to you I apologize.

 

At no point did I think I was denigrating your IQ, your financial status, or your social status, nor did I think I was trumping mine . I am sorry you find my life and/or lifestyle so offensive. I, for one, am very grateful for my life.

 

Again, apologies for any offense. 

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I don't have servants. My

I don't have servants.

My kids do.

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We are renting a 22 foot

We are renting a 22 foot trailer to take to the US in the next couple weeks.  I am looking forward to taking my kids camping for the first time.  I am also looking forward to having hot running water and a stove to cook on and a fridge to keep everything cold.

I have done lots of tent camping and sleeping in the van my parents converted for travel.  It was wonderful, but I prefer a few of the amenities.  

 

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What a kafuffle over nothing

What a kafuffle over nothing but since you're all having a crisis about it, I will say outright that I have absolutely no disdain for DJ's lifestyle nor the middle class in general.  That is your own projection and the reason that you have all misread my posts and my intentions.  You are perceiving yourselves in your own mirrors. 

 

Someday you will get that  what I am living  is disallowing the middle class to  define  me or any form of psychology that lives in my world.  I would not allow the middle class to define history anymore than the aristocracy or the disenfranchised or the working poor or the lower middle class.  so unbalanced. 

 

I have no disdain for the middle class.   The middle class is a great ideal and a fantasy that is interesting, even artistically.  But it's all fantasy, right Naman, every class, every distincition . . . where is it a mirror and where is it smoked glass when do we tell the truth?  Envy? bitterness?  nope, that is nothing to do with economic bracket.  My very best friends from a  long time ago who still love me even though I went nuts and screwed up on everybody by being poor and basically useless to them in any form  now except that I know who they are and have no issues with their status and don't get hung up on them or need them to be what they are not  and vise versa.  And also, we really get off on each other's intelligence - - - o.k. it IS a varient of snobbery.  but also,

 

both of those friends have more money and more prestige than even Ms. Daisy J and her family. 

 

and by the way Daisy Jane,  I really got your fun with camping thing.  I really love tents.  I love the simplicity and the sense of eternity that they give, as you suggest.  I just think that from your description of the hecitc home that  a cabin/cottage sooner than later would be a huge gift of the heart. 

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