Late this March my wife and I are headed for South Korea.
We will board a United Airlines flight in Toronto to San Francisco, then it's on to Seoul.
For my wife, who hasn't been back home for about 10 years, this will be a chance to see all her family and friends again.
For me it will be a chance to meet my inlaws (re-meet for a few of them who have visited Canada), look for future employment, and get to see such places as Lotteria (read: Korean McD's), Everland (read: Korean Wonderland), Seoul, and Yeosu.
I'll also be working on an online university course on 1 Kings in the evenings, and hope to find an English-speaking congregation somewhere there to attend church with on Sunday mornings.
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Mendalla
Enjoy the trip. I know I
Posted on: 01/29/2012 10:47
Enjoy the trip. I know I loved my first trip to China with Mrs. M. Let your wife take the lead on things like etiquette and protocol since it's her culture. Bring lots to read on the plane or maybe some of your coursework to do. Hopefully you'll get a new plane for the trans-pacific leg so you have the individual seat back entertainment systems. That trans-Pacific ride is a long haul. Air Canada and Delta, the two airlines we use for Asia, are both using new 777s on the Shanghai run, which fits the bill nicely. Get up and stretch your legs often, esp. if you're tall like me.
Mendalla
Tabitha
Enjoy your trip Jae. I hope
Posted on: 01/29/2012 13:21
Enjoy your trip Jae. I hope it's also a chance to improve your knowledge/comfort with the Korean language. Maybe you won't need an English congregation!
I'm curious-what is your younger step son doing? Is he also travelling with you.
and I assume it will be a chance for your wife to visit her oldest son.
Enjoy the visit, watch out for culture shock as many things will be done a different way.
Peace in travelling with an open mind.
seeler
MC - bon voyage. Have a good
Posted on: 01/29/2012 14:09
MC - bon voyage. Have a good trip. I didn't realize that you planned to move to Korea. My son lives there now and loves it. His field is academic. I'm presuming yours will be in the church. I'm sure you know that Christianity is one of the largest religions in Korea (perhaps the largest). The largest Presbyterian church in the world is located in Soeul. My son attended there. Now he lives outside of Soeul.
Have a great trip! And don't forget to keep in touch with your friends on the WonderCafe.
somegalfromcan
Enjoy your trip MC! I see
Posted on: 01/29/2012 17:00
Enjoy your trip MC! I see that you are planning on looking for a job and a church - how long will you be there for?
ninjafaery
This is a very exciting
Posted on: 01/30/2012 00:36
This is a very exciting prospect! Every blessing to you and your wife, and I hope you have an enjoyable visit.
MC jae
Mendalla wrote:Enjoy the
Posted on: 01/31/2012 16:54
That's kewl. Asian wives are best. Where did you go and what did you see?
That's good advice, thanks. There are a couple of places which I for sure want to go, but the bulk of the time we'll be spending with her relatives. Or she will be anyway. She's given me her okay to take off on the subway at will.
Thanks for the advice Mendalla. We're hopping an Airbus A319 to San Francisco, then a Boeing 744 to Incheon.
Mendalla
MorningCalm wrote: That's
Posted on: 01/31/2012 17:45
That's kewl. Asian wives are best. Where did you go and what did you see?
Lots, since that was pre-child. Shanghai (where she's from), Beijing, Xian, Suzhou (famous for gardens), Wuxi (famous for film/TV studios). Since then, I've been back to the first three and visited some other parts of China, some with just her, some with Little M along as well.
Thanks for the advice Mendalla. We're hopping an Airbus A319 to San Francisco, then a Boeing 744 to Incheon.
Ugh. I was not fond of the 747s that Northwest used to use before they got eaten up by Delta (who switched to the newer and more comfortable 777s for Asia runs). Very cramped compared to more recent airliners in spite of the massive size of the plane, though I know there are some new versions of the 747 that are supposed to be better.
Mendalla
MC jae
Tabitha wrote:Enjoy your trip
Posted on: 02/01/2012 13:04
Thanks Tabitha.
No, he will be staying home. He is finishing off his final year in high school. He needs to really concentrate on that and do well at it as he plans to go to college next year. He has applied to Centennial, Fanshawe, Mohawk, and Sault.
Yes, and for me to meet him. His English is pretty good, so that should be fun. He also has a girlfriend we'll get to meet for the first time. And we'll visit some folks I've met here in Canada -- a niece, a cousin, two aunts, and my Chungmoniim (Mother-in-law). Plus her brother who've I've spoken to on the phone. I'd also like to meet my wife's ex-husband, take him out for a beer and a chat. My wife doesn't seem to be much in favor of that idea though so I think I'd better just drop it.
Yes... apparantly they eat their meals using two little sticks instead of a knife and fork.
Thank you Tabitha, same to you.
gecko46
Have a wonderful trip, MC.
Posted on: 02/01/2012 14:40
Have a wonderful trip, MC. Enjoy exploring, the sights and sounds of new places.
Great to have an opportunity to visit with relatives.
Keep us posted as you can.
Tabitha
Thanks for the clarification
Posted on: 02/01/2012 21:43
Thanks for the clarification Jae/mc
Too bad all three of you aren't able to go but finshing high school is important. Trust you have arranged adult support for him if he needs it while you are away-a friend to call, someone to check in and yes I do know he is a young adult.
Despite the joking about chopsticks it's the little things that suprise me when I travel to other countries.
Like who exits a door first, or different personal space boundaries or needing to show ticket stub when you exit subway as well as enter.
Bring back some stories for us.
PS Tell us about your avatar. What exactly are the 2 birds doing?
MC jae
Tabitha wrote: Thanks for
Posted on: 02/03/2012 06:58
Thanks for the clarification Jae/mc
Too bad all three of you aren't able to go but finshing high school is important. Trust you have arranged adult support for him if he needs it while you are away-a friend to call, someone to check in and yes I do know he is a young adult.
He lives with his grandmother (my mom). He also has older friends who he can check in with.
Thanks -- I honestly hadn't thought of any of that. I'll have to check into that stuff with my wife.
I'm hoping to post some pics.
They are mating, on account of Valentines Day. Ideally, it would be a picture of a falcon mating with a turtle, but I couldn't find one of those.
Kimmio
Hey MC, I clicked on your
Posted on: 02/03/2012 07:34
Hey MC,
I clicked on your updated profile. I was going to write on your wall, but I might as well write here since it's the Land of Morning Calm thread (hardly anyone uses the wall feature...you might miss it). Anyway...you're not an INFP anymore, but now an ENTP?
(I don't know many other INFP's, not sure if any actually, it's a lonely world for INFP's, being only about 1- 2% of the population I think) I guess people's types can change as their interests and lives change. I have taken Myers Briggs test a few times--I was ENFP, during a time in my life when I had to meet with public/ do presentations more often for my job and generally had to be more outgoing in public--but it's not something that comes naturally. I think INFP is my default setting .
Looking forward to you sending us updates/ photos from Korea!
naman
MorningCalm, as Roy Rogers
Posted on: 02/03/2012 07:39
MorningCalm, as Roy Rogers said, Happy trails!
lastpointe
Have a wonderful trip. I
Posted on: 02/03/2012 09:31
Have a wonderful trip. I side with your wife in not seeing her ex husband.
Concentrate on getting to know the people who mean something to her, not the ones who are not in her life
the idea of ex and current hubby meeting for a beer is creepy. Could easily degenerate into a bad scene
somegalfromcan
Kimmio - I knew we had to
Posted on: 02/03/2012 17:20
Kimmio - I knew we had to hang out more! I'm a fellow INFP!
Kimmio
somegalfromcan
Posted on: 02/03/2012 20:43
Kimmio - I knew we had to hang out more! I'm a fellow INFP!
Yay!
Tabitha
MATING- Try and keep this
Posted on: 02/03/2012 22:35
MATING- Try and keep this family rated please.
It's kind of like you and your wife honeymooning!
MC jae
seeler wrote:MC - bon
Posted on: 02/04/2012 07:57
Thank you seeler, it should be a good one. I'm really looking forward to it.
Is your son a teacher or administrator? Ideally I'd like to work both as a full-time pastor and part-time English language teacher. I would lead an English congregation within a Korean church. I will have to take basic Korean language training before we actually move there though. This is just a visit.
It's certainly the fastest growing religion there, although I don't know if it's actually topped Buddhism yet as being the largest. The biggest denominations over there are Pentecostal and Presbyterian, although the Presbyterian has historically operated with more of a Pentecostal style than it does here in Canada. The United Church of Canada has also been active in Korea, as have Methodist denominations. The Baptists -- not as much. Perhaps I will have to convert.
Will do.
MC jae
Tabitha wrote: MATING- Try
Posted on: 02/04/2012 08:17
MATING- Try and keep this family rated please.
It's kind of like you and your wife honeymooning!
The WonderCafe Guidelines of Conduct do say, "4. Vulgarity: You agree not to display... images that are... graphically sexual..."
However, I took that to mean graphically sexual images of human beings.
How do others feel -- is a picture of two falcons mating offensive?
Mendalla
MorningCalm wrote: How do
Posted on: 02/04/2012 11:07
How do others feel -- is a picture of two falcons mating offensive?
Depending on context, I don't even find a picture of two humans mating offensive, but I do kind of see where Tabitha's coming from. Some families might find having to explain what the falcons are up to ... difficult. Wouldn't even occur to me as being a problem, though.
Mendalla
Kimmio
I didn't even notice they
Posted on: 02/04/2012 11:17
I didn't even notice they were mating, the photo is so small. I actually thought it was a bird of prey swooping down to grab a small bird, and I kind of thought it was an odd choice of avatars, but whatever, personal choice. Not the oddest I've seen.
Tabitha
that's the problem with
Posted on: 02/04/2012 11:48
that's the problem with posts-the teasing tone is lost
It's a bit on the edge MC/Jae to post mating birds-but it does reflect what you are thinking of these days.
It's not offesnsive-I did not flag it as such.
MC jae
Tabitha wrote: that's the
Posted on: 02/04/2012 12:27
that's the problem with posts-the teasing tone is lost
Ah, I see... I didn't realize that was your writing style... I'll try to be a little better at understanding that next time. It might be helpful if in the future you used an emoticon. Now, I just want you to know that if you want to use a little winky face,
, that that would be okay with me because, after all, good communication is key. I won't be offended at all, my friend.
Box? What box?
Woohoo! Someone pass me a dollar, I'm going out for a latte.
Mendalla
MorningCalm wrote: Woohoo!
Posted on: 02/04/2012 14:40
Woohoo! Someone pass me a dollar, I'm going out for a latte.
Timmies or Starbucks?
* Runs for cover *
Mendalla
MC jae
Kimmio wrote:Anyway...you're
Posted on: 02/05/2012 10:58
Yes, I tested multiple times on internet personality test sites as INFP. It wasn't until I learned about cognitive functions, tested in them, and studied up about them, that I realized my true magnificence as an ENTP.
Now that I know I'm a Visionary I can really see the difference between my Idealist wife and myself.
I tend to be a more quiet E than many are. There's a popular myth out there that Is must be quiet and that Es must be outgoing and overtalkative.
At any rate, believing that I was an INFP for a while really gave me a fairly good understanding of the type. I have a lot of respect for INFPs. I will forever be fond of you all.
Thanks. I hope to offer up lots.
MC jae
Mendalla wrote: Timmies or
Posted on: 02/05/2012 10:59
Timmies or Starbucks?
* Runs for cover *
Mendalla
Ha!
Starbucks has lattes? I had no idea.
MC jae
A friend of mine told me
Posted on: 02/25/2012 18:03
A friend of mine told me about http://www.seatguru.com and it looks like my wife and I will enjoy regular economy seats to Korea. Also, we won't have seat back video screens (sad) just a shared video over head.
And... there's no power at our seats. We have to go fourteen hours with no power. Now let me see, my laptop can run for four hours on battery power, then my kindle can go four hours, and then... what am I supposed to do for the rest of the time?! Stare out the windows at the clouds??
When I get to Korea, I get to meet my father-in-law for the first time and see my mother-in-law again. I would really like to give them a present. Something that represents Canada. Any ideas?
As the trip is getting closer and closer, I find I'm looking more and more forward to it.
somegalfromcan
There's this thing they used
Posted on: 02/25/2012 18:22
There's this thing they used to use back in the olden days - what was it called again? - ah yes... paper! Apparently they used to print books, magazines and newspapers on it. Perhaps you could find a museum of ancient history to purchase some of these to take with you on your flight. Perhaps they could be entertaining, in a quaint sort of way of course!
As to what to bring your inlaws, how about some First Nations artwork?
Tabitha
A jug of maple syrup?
Posted on: 02/26/2012 19:54
A jug of maple syrup? Carefully packed in lugage-bubble wrapped and then in plastic or you can buy specail packaging for transporting bottles of liquor. They would work.
Mendalla
We've done everything from
Posted on: 02/26/2012 15:43
We've done everything from small First Nations art works to simple things like t-shirts and pens (which are appreciated, at least in China). There's a book called Best of Canada by Jeff Hutcheson of CTV and the Travel channel that we bought several copies of for giving away both to Chinese folks and to some of Mrs. M.'s foreign research collaborators. It's a great photo tour of Canada. Maple syrup is a traditional Canadian gift, but I'm not we've ever done it for the Chinese crowd. May be too sweet depending on what the Korean diet is normally like (I'm only familiar with what we get over here).
Canadian ginseng goes over well in China. Medicinally speaking, it has different properties from the Asian variety. Not sure if ginseng is as big in Korea as in China. If this interests you, we order from Rainey Ginseng - http://www.raineyginseng.com. There is online ordering from their site (they used to have a store and tours, but now only do mail orders).
Mendalla
MC jae
somegal, Tabitha, Mendalla,
Posted on: 02/26/2012 16:34
somegal, Tabitha, Mendalla, thanks. Some great gift ideas here. What I may end up doing is putting together a Canadian sampler using a variety of the ideas you have mentioned. I do have a question about the maple syrup though. I thought liquids couldn't be taken aboard aircraft...? Perhaps I'll go with some kind of maple candy instead.
Mendalla
MorningCalm wrote: somegal,
Posted on: 02/26/2012 17:27
somegal, Tabitha, Mendalla, thanks. Some great gift ideas here. What I may end up doing is putting together a Canadian sampler using a variety of the ideas you have mentioned. I do have a question about the maple syrup though. I thought liquids couldn't be taken aboard aircraft...? Perhaps I'll go with some kind of maple candy instead.
Liquids can be carried in checked bags. It's carry-on where they can only be in limited quantities (and it has been relaxed a bit in the last year or so).
Mendalla
Tabitha
Yes jae/mc- Put the syrup in
Posted on: 02/26/2012 19:57
Yes jae/mc- Put the syrup in your suitcase-not carry-on.
Other gift idea -from friends who were retuning for visit to Russia.
Plastic placemats with map of Canada on one side.They usually have a candian animal on the other. Thye used thmem to show their travels in Canada. Great gift and were available at dollar store.
MC jae
Hi all. Im writing this
Posted on: 03/27/2012 19:38
Hi all. Im writing this message from beautiful downtown Suwon, South Korea. My wife and I arrived last night. We were picked up at Incheon International by my oldest stepson WJ and his gf YJ. Both of whom i met for the first time. We went to a nice Korean restaurant where had ribs. Rice. Cold kimchi soup it was like a kimchi slushy. All very good. Then we went to my wifes parents place. I met my chungeoran father in law for the first time and bowed to him and my chungmoniim mother in law. After some time with them WJ drove us over to my wifes brothers place where we are staying with he SW his wife EJ son CG and daughter BR. My wifes family all seem very nice welcoming and friendly. Im a bit jet lagged so probably will go back to sleep now til lunchtime.
somegalfromcan
Glad you made it over there
Posted on: 03/28/2012 02:26
Glad you made it over there safely Jae!
Kimmio
MC jae wrote:Hi all. Im
Posted on: 03/28/2012 02:55
Wow! Cool. That sounds like quite an experience. Have fun!
My friend and I went out for Korean spicy chicken wings tonight, at a Korean fried chicken restaurant. They're done in a special way...so good, hot--but not like buffalo wings--a different flavour, a little bit like kimchi...they're garlicky, crispy, and the hotness catches up a few seconds later---so yummy and addictive! We had to limit ourselves. Do they have restaurants that specialize in fried chicken there? Is that authentic or a North Americanized dish? At any rate, it sure was delicious!
gecko46
Have a great holiday, Jae.
Posted on: 03/28/2012 10:47
Have a great holiday, Jae. Enjoy the sights, sounds, food and family.
Mendalla
MC jae wrote:Hi all. Im
Posted on: 03/28/2012 11:24
Having been the honoured foreign relative the first time I went to China, I know the feeling. If Korean culture is anything like Chinese, expect lots of food and family get together (though I don't know if your wife's family is as big as Mrs. M's. Lot's of aunts, uncles and cousins on her side).
And cold kimchi soup sounds yummy. Sigh. Hope I can go to Seoul with Mrs. M. in the fall but we haven't worked that one out yet.
Mendalla
MC jae
somegalfromcan wrote: Glad
Posted on: 03/28/2012 18:40
Glad you made it over there safely Jae!
Cumsumniida (Thank you), somegal. The flight over went well. It seemed to go quite quickly. Just watched a few movies (Artist, Tower Heist, Footloose), a few old TV shows (Raymond, Friends, 2.5 Men), did some sleeping and eating, and we arrived. The UAirlines crew did a fair enough job. The only real flaw was that by the time they got around to us for lunch the choice of meal was gone. We were forced to eat General Tsao's Chicken (the other choice had been Beef Bulgogi). Newphew CY drove my wife and I over to E-Mart yesterday (kind of like a Korean Walmart) we did get some bulgogi there. The worker at the meat section scooped it up out of a big open bin (would that even be allowed in Canada?) and then packaged it for us. We went over to my in-laws place and fried it up then ate it with some white kimchi and rice. Delicious. Also at E-Mart yesterday I actually found some Dooly cereal! Dooly is a cute little Korean dinosaur cartoon character.
MC jae
Kimmio wrote:Wow! Cool. That
Posted on: 03/28/2012 18:43
Cumsumniida Kimmio. So far I am really enjoying myself here. I could imagine moving here some day -- if I could first learn more of the language.
Sounds amazing. Where was that? -- In what city?
Yes, my niece BR has offered to take me out for KFC -- Korean Fried Chicken, which she and my son say is far, far better than what the Kentucky Colonel serves up.
MC jae
gecko46 wrote: Have a great
Posted on: 03/28/2012 18:45
Have a great holiday, Jae. Enjoy the sights, sounds, food and family.
Comossmiida (Thank you) gecko. This Saturday we will be going to the King's palace, and on Sunday to a Korean church, then on to Everland (Korean version of Wonderland or Disneyland). Going to be fun.
MC jae
Mendalla wrote: [Having
Posted on: 03/28/2012 18:50
[Having been the honoured foreign relative the first time I went to China, I know the feeling. If Korean culture is anything like Chinese, expect lots of food and family get together (though I don't know if your wife's family is as big as Mrs. M's. Lot's of aunts, uncles and cousins on her side).
Yea Mendalla, there has been some really good food. Mrs. M's family sounds like a larger group though. So far I have met my stepson, his gf, my wife's father, brother, sister-in-law, and a nephew. I have met again my mother-in-law and niece, both of whom I had the previous pleasure of meeting and spending some time with in Canada.
Cold kimchi soup was really quite strange to my taste. It wasn't just cold, it was icy -- real ice in the pot. It looked and had the texture of a liquidy kimchi slush. Still, something I bet I'll always remember. I can't quite recommend Seoul to you and your Mrs., Mendalla, as I have yet to actually go there. I sure can recommend Korea though. Perhaps sometime me and my wife will visit China. Ooh, actually that does sound exciting.
Kimmio
Jae, I'll wondermail
Posted on: 03/28/2012 22:16
Jae,
I'll wondermail you a link!
MC jae
My day today in Korea... This
Posted on: 03/29/2012 02:08
My day today in Korea... This morning I did some studying for school ▶actually got an assignment finished. This afternoon Im spending in a car repair shop to get my wifes exs van fixed.
MC jae
My day today in Korea... This
Posted on: 03/29/2012 02:09
My day today in Korea... This morning I did some studying for school ▶actually got an assignment finished. This afternoon Im spending in a car repair shop to get my wifes exs van fixed.
MC jae
Okay, I have some photos to
Posted on: 03/29/2012 19:32
Okay, I have some photos to share, but I don't know how to do that on here. Any advice? Thanks.
somegalfromcan
You'll need to post them to
Posted on: 03/29/2012 22:03
You'll need to post them to another site, like Facebook, and then copy them here.
MC jae
somegalfromcan
Posted on: 03/29/2012 22:16
You'll need to post them to another site, like Facebook, and then copy them here.
Thanks somegal. I posted them on facebook. I'll try to link to them from there.
somegalfromcan
No problem MC - you should be
Posted on: 03/29/2012 22:17
No problem MC - you should be able to simply copy and paste them here.
MC jae
Okay, here is a test image.
Posted on: 03/30/2012 02:17
Okay, here is a test image. If this works out right, you should see a picture of my wife and I at Lotteria, South Korea's answer to McDonald's...