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Olympic Fever!

Well, a few weeks ago, I was feeling pretty indifferent about the Olympics, but now that they are here, I've got Olympic Fever.....big time! The whole city is buzzing. There's stuff happening on every street corner downtown. It is exciting!

 

I got to see the torch twice....once on Tuesday in Steveston Village and then as Rick Hansen wheeled it in and lit the cauldron in Richmond. Then again this morning downtown. I even saw Wayne Gretzky!

 

When I was downtown earlier this week, I shared a table in the food court with a Japanese snowboarder.

 

I am sooo excited for the opening ceremonies tonight.

 

Do you have Olympic fever??? What's your favourite part of the Olympics? Will you be watching it on TV?

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I'm sick of it already and it

I'm sick of it already and it has only just begun .......

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I am saddened that they are

I am saddened that they are starting out with tragedy (the luge accident).

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Namaste,   I went to a local

Namaste,

 

I went to a local celebration.  I enjoyed seeing the RCMP with their noble horses and their lances.  Being handed out Canadian flags (and BC flags) and BC pins (oh, how I remember those pins in Europe).  I finally got to understand what those Olympic mascots are all aboot.

 

I even got a chance to be shown on the side of a building in Robson Square.  Who knows? :3

 

The day was FREEZING and, of course, I was in my every-season-but-winter-clothing, so I couldn't stay to see the torch.

 

But I got to enjoy seeing Canadians being patriotic and feeling good aboot themselves.

 

There was one guy who started talking to me aboot the Olympics and when the relay ritual started and if that was with Nazi Germany...I chuckled and shrugged and he said, "At least they're having a good time." :3

 

I'm amazed at all the traffic, both foot and air traffic.  I wave at the helicopters when they fly over.

 

Again, I see all of this is an invitation to join in.  Life as carnivale.  Intentional living.

 

Wouldn't it be so nifty if we had First Contact with Aliens or Jesus right now...they'd be ignored by us, or asked to join in :3

 

Just a Self-writing poem,

InannaWhimsey

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Oh dear ... there was a luge

Oh dear ... there was a luge accident?  I better go watch the news ... that sounds awful.

 

Yes, Namaste, I was thinking of you this morning ... wondering how it was going!  Glad to hear you're in the spirit & taking advantage of such a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!  Do keep us posted.

 

I'll be watching lots on TV!! 

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Didn't you have an Inukshuk

Didn't you have an Inukshuk avatar today sometime, namaste? If you did where did it go?

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Yep Olympic fever around

Yep Olympic fever around here. We walked over to Broadway Ave last evening to watch the torch relay. There was a large festive crowd. I also had to go downtown yesterday morning to pick up some event tickets I had ordered on line. Other than the one hour wait in the rain in line for the tickets, it was good to be a part of the celebration downtown. Namaste, I had lunch beside a couple of Russian athletes. And so many people from all over out and about everywhere.

 

And yet the shock and sadness of the Georgian luger who died earlier sobers the moment. We have been shedding tears in our home today watching about it, so tragic. I can't imagine how hard the opening ceremonies and games will be for his family, team mates and the whole community.

 

More as the games progress.

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Such a tragic way for the

Such a tragic way for the games to begin.

It is just about time to watch the Opening Ceremonies on TV.... wish the weather was better for all of you who are out and about in Van but do enjoy!

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Please keep me updated I love

Please keep me updated I love hearing your stories! It's wierd being over here during all of this it seems as though the UK doesn't really even acknowledge the winter olympics.

 

The luge accident is so very sad and I feel for Nodar Kumaritashvili's family, friends, teammates and all luge athletes. Losing someone on that track and knowing you're going to have to go down it yourself must be nerve racking to say the least.

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Well, the opening ceremonies

Well, the opening ceremonies are over. I'll be interested in hearing from Namaste  - I believe she was attending the event tonight. We watched on TV and at the end watched the fireworks from our window. The festivities are officially underway.

 

The forecast is for a lot of rain tonight and tomorrow morning in Vancouver. I hope it doesn't mess up the skiing too much. Not sure what's in store for Whistler, the snow is soft apparently. Delays in downhill are common anywhere in the world, but hopefully things won't be too messed up by the weather. The forecast after this weekend is good, although getting quite warm, which of course isn't good for Cypress Mountain.

 

Thinking about you over in England right now BethanyK and not being able to really experience what's going on back home.

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Not knowing anything about

Not knowing anything about this team I must say it made me think of Eddie the Eagle at the Calgary Games and how everyone held their breath when he jumped. His skill level was far below the other athletes and there was a debate in the papers about whether he should be allowed to jump.

Others do say that this track is very fast....

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I thought the opening

I thought the opening ceremonies were both magnificent and graceful.

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I really liked the opening

I really liked the opening ceremonies.....can't imagine being there inperson, though, we got the closeups!

 

The mix of music, the variety of presentation, the story, all made me smile.

 

 

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I also enjoyed the opening

I also enjoyed the opening ceremonies. What a nice way to describe Canada to all the visitors.

 

I wonder if Wayne G has dried out yet....

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hah, good point,

hah, good point, northwind....he didn't seem to mind though, his smile was pretty darn big.

 

I am enjoying listen to more of that slam poet...glad I went over & watched it with my parents.

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No fever here.  I do know

No fever here.  I do know people who are all excited about being part of the Olympics and Canada ( they have lots of bread and tickets for hockey and ice skating et al) but most of my heart-friends ( not all)  are more pissed-off with a government for abdicating responsibility for kickstarting the infrustructure economy and instead has put us into debt with the vague hope that international corporatism will buy the Socredliberals more time in office to buy better jobs for themselves before the coroporate model stock market takes another dive because the economy becomes more imaginary and less involved in any real jobs or infrastructure after each  party for the business elite that the planet throws.

 

And that's what this is.  That is why Steve Harper's eyes are wet.  He is in lust with the sound of the corporate jets and the magnitude of money entering Vancouver at this time.  In fact, he has never been so akin to evil as now.  And the athletes, they are the petty jesters performing as the financial moguls ( not downhillers) begin to haggle and fuss.  

 

just a reality check.  nothing more.  oil, Calgary, Vancouver, oil, Real Estate, pollution, gangs, guns, illegal pot and a thriving black market . . . the frontier its all a mirage.  I do love Catrina Lamay Doan though and Clara Hughes.  Women who rock the world.  But, I think that in general spectacle is pretty dull. 

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Pinga wrote: I am enjoying

Pinga wrote:

I am enjoying listen to more of that slam poet...glad I went over & watched it with my parents.

 

Wasn't he wonderful!  His name is Shane Koyczan and the poem's title We Are More.

 

I wasn't going to watch the ceremonies.  My partner demanded control of the clicker - and since he rarely ever does who was I to argue - he wanted to know who was going to light the flame.  I was so very glad he did.

 

The welcome from the Four Host Nations and all the aboriginal dancers from across the country was fantastic.

 

And how could I not enjoy the cultural segment - quotes, fiddlers including Ashley MacIsaac, slam poetry and k. d. lang singing Leonard Cohen. 

 

Kudos to whoever put that together it showed the world we are a grand diverse country and it made this little Canadian very proud.

 

 

LB


let us be the story told to your friends
and when that story ends
leave chapters for the next time you'll come back
next time pack for all the things
you didn't pack for the first time
but don't let your luggage define your travels
each life unravels differently
and experiences are what make up
the colours of our tapestry
      Shane Koyczan, We Are More

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It was wonderful!!!  Most of

It was wonderful!!!  Most of the busygang managed to stay awake for it all.  Very exciting. 

 

I was thinking about my wonderfriends out in BC and how exciting it must be to be right in the midst of all the excitement.  Thanks for the poet's name LB.  I'll have to look him up.  He's terrific!

 

Busydaughter asked which was my favourite part of the night......there were so many moments for me that were awesome.  I really liked watching the athletes enter the stadium, and the Great Bear, and the northern lights and "Ordinary Miracles", KD Lang.....man it was really great!

 

Enjoy the games everybody, especially those of you who are out there!

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It made me very proud to be

It made me very proud to be Canadian.

I loved the drums and the music chosen and the poet.

 

I wish Harper could look  like he  was  having fun but I guess it isn't in his nature.

 

Good job - well done Canada.

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What an orgy the opening

What an orgy the opening ceremonies were. My wife and I watched from the local Cineplex.

 

B.C. is really courting the mighty lgbtq tourist dollar.

 

They opened the show with four giant erect crystalline penises emerging from the floor. Then native dancers came in, including one muscular warrior brave with no shirt on.

 

They also had a girl who surely looked like a lesbian leaping off the prairies and flying around in the sky.

 

Speaking of flying in the sky, just how many people did they have leave the floor and whoop around up there on wires?

 

Later in the ceremony a person who really looked transgendered came out and sang the anthem for the olympic flag.

 

Not to mention Nellie Furtado sexing up her song for titillation purposes.

 

All this was capped off of course by having transgendered lesbian singer k.d.lang sing.

 

Then four more giant penises were supposed to emerge out of the floor once again to be lit as the olympic torch but there was a problem with the hydrolics. One guy, so to speak, was too shy to show up for the party.

 

B.C. has shown itself to be the left coast once again.

 

 

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You know Frog, you are not

You know Frog, you are not funny. In fact, the world thinks you are not funny. If you want to be funny, start a funny thread and then you can entertain yourself. POOF!!!

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crazyheart wrote: You know

crazyheart wrote:

You know Frog, you are not funny. In fact, the world thinks you are not funny. If you want to be funny, start a funny thread and then you can entertain yourself. POOF!!!

 

The gay Canadian fashion designers for the ceremonies were just on tv. The evidence continues.

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frog is just kidding, guys...

frog is just kidding, guys... he knows that what he is saying is ridiculous. he told me personally that he thought kd langs rendition of 'hallelujah' was brilliant.

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thanks sigh.   As i watched

thanks sigh.

 

As i watched it, I thought....cirque de soleil has had a major part inthis production (which is awesome)....as was donald sutherland's reading of the wonderful canadian quotes.

 

that was joni mitchell's song "Both Sides Now"  that went with the prairie piece and the fellow was  aerialist and École nationale de cirque student Thomas Saulgrain

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Pinga wrote: that was joni

Pinga wrote:

that was joni mitchell's song "Both Sides Now"  that went with the prairie piece and the fellow was  aerialist and École nationale de cirque student Thomas Saulgrain

 

Well they said on tv that it was meant to be the story of a young girl living on the prairies. I thought she looked rather masculine.

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sighsnootles wrote: frog is

sighsnootles wrote:

frog is just kidding, guys... he knows that what he is saying is ridiculous. he told me personally that he thought kd langs rendition of 'hallelujah' was brilliant.

 

She sang it amazingly well. It was, however, imho, a poor choice of song. What did it have to do with the Olympics? With athletics?

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that hallelujah moment, of

that hallelujah moment, of crossing the line....that is what it is about match3 frog.

 

that time when you just go "yes"...that song applies to mathematicians...cracking a code, or builders ..

 

 

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match3frog. wrote:   She sang

match3frog. wrote:

 

She sang it amazingly well. It was, however, imho, a poor choice of song. What did it have to do with the Olympics? With athletics?

 

are you kidding??

 

my husband competes in marathons... the word 'hallelujah' goes with crossing the finish line like coffee goes with tim hortons.... after an athlete has put EVERYTHING THEY HAVE into a competition, and has nothing left, and realizes that they have given their best performance in their lives??   thats 'hallelujah', my friend.

 

just think of elizabeth manley finishing her long program at the '88 olympics in calgary.  remember, this was 'heartbreak liz'... she had a reputation for blowing it big time in the long programs and dropping from the podium.  but that night, she gave THE PERFORMANCE OF HER LIFE.  and with every technical move she successfully completed, everyone in the building could barely breathe, they were just waiting for her to wipe out.  but that night, she just had it.    and when the final notes of the music played, and she put her head into her hands, and the crowd rose to its feet?  THAT, frog, was HALLELUJAH.

 

not to mention that it is perhaps the most brilliant song ever written, and kd langs rendition of it anytime she performs it is simply a great moment in canadian music.  period.

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UUUUGH  does anyone know

UUUUGH  does anyone know where or how or if it's ever going to be possible to see the ceremonies online? I couldn't watch it last night and I'd really like to now but I can't find it ANYWHERE! They're my fav part of the olypmics and not being able to see the ones from my own country is starting to really upset me

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What a great explanation

What a great explanation sighs.

 

Bethany, have you checked ctv.ca?

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i'm going to rain on the

i'm going to rain on the parade here, but i just have to say this...

 

i just can't watch this.  i tried last night, and it was POURING RAIN... there isn't any snow in sight.

 

today, the mens downhill has been postponed due to fog created by the warm weather at whistler...

 

i'm sorry, but am i the only one who thinks that this whole soggy mess is more of a wake up call that global climate change is now a reality, rather than a celebration of athletic excellence?? 

 

normally, i love the winter olympics... i am a huge fan.  the summer olympics bore me, and you never know who wins until the drug tests come in anyways.  the winter olympics are just great.  but not this year.

 

this year, all i can think of as i watch it is that this is my country, and my country has an environmental problem that needs to be addressed, and our PM doesn't feel that it is important at all.

 

for the first time ever, i can hardly wait until the winter olympics are over, and i can just not have this constant reminder of our climate woes staring me in the face.

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 cbc.ca should make it

 cbc.ca should make it available sometime very soon.  I mean if a person can watch ALL the previous episodes of "The Tudors" via the cbc website...

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match3frog. wrote: Well they

match3frog. wrote:

Well they said on tv that it was meant to be the story of a young girl living on the prairies. I thought she looked rather masculine.

 

The gender rucus flying over the wheat fields can be laid on the doorstep of the broadcaster.

 

W. O. Mitchell's Who Has Seen the Wind was about the story of a prairie boy's initiation into the mysteries of life, death, God, and the spirit that moves through everything: the wind.

(the Canadian Encylopedia).

 

Although one would have hoped that nobody cared what the individual looked like.

 

 

LB


A fine quotation is a diamond on the finger of a man of wit,

and a pebble in the hand of a fool.      Joseph Roux

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match3frog. wrote: Pinga

match3frog. wrote:

Pinga wrote:

that was joni mitchell's song "Both Sides Now"  that went with the prairie piece and the fellow was  aerialist and École nationale de cirque student Thomas Saulgrain

 

Well they said on tv that it was meant to be the story of a young girl living on the prairies. I thought she looked rather masculine.

 

I think it was just a slip up on the MC's behalf.

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sighsnootles wrote:are you

sighsnootles wrote:
are you kidding??

 

my husband competes in marathons... the word 'hallelujah' goes with crossing the finish line like coffee goes with tim hortons.... after an athlete has put EVERYTHING THEY HAVE into a competition, and has nothing left, and realizes that they have given their best performance in their lives??   thats 'hallelujah', my friend.

 

Yes, thank you sighs, I understand the 'hallelujah' part and why it would be chosen. I'm really talking about the rest of the lyrics which actually sound somewhat blasphemous to me, calling into question the existence of God. Why is it important to have that as a part of the opening ceremonies which have already championed other religions? It's really an insult to everyone in Canada and around the world who believes in the God of the Bible.

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I can't watch it on any of

I can't watch it on any of the Canadian sites it says I'm out of region and it wont load but...

 

 

I FOUND IT!!!!!!!!! yay BBC iplayer lol It's interesting hearing it with the Biritsh not Canadian perspective.

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Match3Frog, it appears we

Match3Frog, it appears we do not share the same language.

 

I've read the lyrics - several times now - and I do not see or hear words "calling into question the existence of God."

 

Perhaps it is a matter of interpretation.

 

 

LB


I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah
     Leonard Cohen

 

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LBmuskoka wrote:Perhaps it is

LBmuskoka wrote:
Perhaps it is a matter of interpretation.

 

Yes, that is quite possible. Please let me share with you the lyrics I wonder about and could you please tell me your interpretation of them...

 

1.) "She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah"
 

 

2.) "Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah"
 

 

And the one that really calls into question God's existence...

 

3.) "Maybe there's a God above
But all I've ever learned from love
Was how to shoot somebody who outdrew ya"
 

 

Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to believe in God, but I see no reason why we need to question His existence at the opening to the Olympic games.

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match3frog. wrote:Now, I'm

match3frog. wrote:
Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to believe in God, but I see no reason why we need to question His existence at the opening to the Olympic games

 

Well, sometimes life is about questioning God.

 

Perhaps you meant to quote the entire verse:

 

Quote:
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew her
She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

 

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 Sounds some reference to

 Sounds some reference to some stories in the Bible actually.

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You know, guys, Frog by all

You know, guys, Frog by all his names has spoiled many threads for me by being so  negative. i wanted to celebrate canada and diversity. Frog wants to pick. He did it on the secret Santa Thread as well.

 

If he doesn't like the words of the song, then start a new thread, and people would debate the words. Not Here. I am a bit tetchy ( stayed up too late watching the opening)

 

Or maybe he is trying to get an award on the Fundies.

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crazyheart wrote: You know,

crazyheart wrote:

You know, guys, Frog by all his names has spoiled many threads for me by being so  negative. i wanted to celebrate canada and diversity. Frog wants to pick. He did it on the secret Santa Thread as well.

 

If he doesn't like the words of the song, then start a new thread, and people would debate the words. Not Here. I am a bit tetchy ( stayed up too late watching the opening)

 

Or maybe he is trying to get an award on the Fundies.

 

Nowhere is it stated in the original post that the responses to it must be positive.

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LBmuskoka wrote: Kudos to

LBmuskoka wrote:

Kudos to whoever put that together it showed the world we are a grand diverse country and it made this little Canadian very proud.

 

Ah, the Opening Ceremony was put together by David Atkins, an Aussie, who made this little Australian very proud.    

 

It was pure magic - and I can't wait till I see your great country for myself.  

 

On a more sombre note, I noticed how little it takes for ecstasy to turn to sorrow. It must have been difficult for the Georgian team to participate on the night.

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Pilgrims Progress wrote: On a

Pilgrims Progress wrote:

On a more sombre note, I noticed how little it takes for ecstasy to turn to sorrow. It must have been difficult for the Georgian team to participate on the night.

 

Yes, and let our thoughts and prayers be with the family of the Olympic luge competitor. The Georgian team did their country proud. Wearing the black armbands, marching into the stadium following their nation's flag, vowing to compete in memory of Kumaritashvili. I was also thankful for the gesture of the Vancouver games in giving a minute's silence and lowering the flag to half-mast.

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match3frog. wrote: LBmuskoka

match3frog. wrote:

LBmuskoka wrote:
Perhaps it is a matter of interpretation.

 

Yes, that is quite possible. Please let me share with you the lyrics I wonder about and could you please tell me your interpretation of them...

 

1.) "She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah"
 

 

2.) "Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah"
 

 

And the one that really calls into question God's existence...

 

3.) "Maybe there's a God above
But all I've ever learned from love
Was how to shoot somebody who outdrew ya"
 

 

Now, I'm not saying that everyone has to believe in God, but I see no reason why we need to question His existence at the opening to the Olympic games.

 

i always thought that the part about the 'cut your hair' was a reference to samson and delilah.

 

'love is not a victory march'... well, it isn't.  whats your problem with that one??

 

'maybe theres a god above'...  i dont' read that as questioning gods existence, frog... i see it as questioning the belief that god is a spirit in the sky kind of thing.  for some people, god is the big guy in the clouds with a white beard.  i think that is what it is questioning.

 

i guess if you are REALLY LOOKING for some kind of blasphemy at the opening ceremonies you MIGHT have misinterpreted that lyric, but you are really stretching there.

 

besides, its leonard friggin COHEN, man... the guy has more deep intelligent thoughts pumping gas into his car than you or i will have in a lifetime.  if you really think that you can interpret one of his lyrics with any kind of accuracy, i have a bridge in saskatoon to sell you.

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crazyheart wrote: You know,

crazyheart wrote:

You know, guys, Frog by all his names has spoiled many threads for me by being so  negative. i wanted to celebrate canada and diversity. Frog wants to pick. He did it on the secret Santa Thread as well.

 

If he doesn't like the words of the song, then start a new thread, and people would debate the words. Not Here. I am a bit tetchy ( stayed up too late watching the opening)

 

Or maybe he is trying to get an award on the Fundies.

 

don't worry, crazyheart...  i got it.

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I hear a while ago, there was

I hear a while ago, there was some rioting going on downtown Van ... breaking windows at The Bay ... haven't heard anything since ... updates anyone?  Stay safe wonderbuddies!

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sounds like the police are on

sounds like the police are on it pretty fast... it was a group of about 200 people, and by all accounts they were 'protesting various things'.

 

 

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Sighs...   1.) Why would

Sighs...

 

1.) Why would Samson be saying "Hallelujah" after Delilah stripped him of his God-given strength? You do realize he next had his eyes gouged out. 

 

2.) Since when is praising God a cold and broken thing to do? It is most certainly not in my estimation. Someone said the song is to describe the feeling of the athletes when they are victorious, but yet love is not a victory march, so...?

 

3.) "Maybe there's a God above" does draw into question the existence of the God of the Bible. This lyric has no place at an international event such as the Olympics as it insults Canadians and others around the world who believe in the traditional view of the Lord.

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Thanks sighs - ah yes, the

Thanks sighs - ah yes, the "various things" faction .... unruly bunch!

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match3frog.

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Sighs...

 

1.) Why would Samson be saying "Hallelujah" after Delilah stripped him of his God-given strength? You do realize he next had his eyes gouged out. 

 

 

its not samson saying hallelujah though, frog... he is referring to the person in the song who said hallelujah. 

 

come on, did you read the lyrics yet??

 

match3frog. wrote:

2.) Since when is praising God a cold and broken thing to do? It is most certainly not in my estimation. Someone said the song is to describe the feeling of the athletes when they are victorious, but yet love is not a victory march, so...?

 

 

transcend with me here, frog... have you ever suffered a really bad breakup??  when someone walks all over you, and you feel that pain, then you know that love is not a victory march... at that point, love is like loosing a marathon, falling during a triple axel, wiping out at the finish line....

 

match3frog. wrote:

3.) "Maybe there's a God above" does draw into question the existence of the God of the Bible. This lyric has no place at an international event such as the Olympics as it insults Canadians and others around the world who believe in the traditional view of the Lord.

 

not at all, frog... as i said, it isn't questioning the EXISTENCE of god... it is questioning WHERE GOD IS.  

 

if you REALLY want to feel insulted, i would refer you to harper... he is representing canadians, and he had all the emotion of a lego action figure.  what the heck was THAT about??

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